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Rush Limbaugh's comments on the candidates -- Opinions from Trump supporters wanted

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I think that, on policy, he has a solid argument. Cruz is indeed the most conservative one in the race.

On style, however, I would give it to Rubio, who is also pretty conservative (4th most conservative Senator). Rubio is more the uplifting, charismatic, Great-Communicator type.

Are we talking the "Gang of Eight" amnesty Rubio, or is there another Rubio in the race that I am unaware of?
 
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Are we talking the "Gang of Eight" amnesty Rubio, or is there another Rubio in the race that I am unaware of?
No you have the right one there.
 
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Are we talking the "Gang of Eight" amnesty Rubio, or is there another Rubio in the race that I am unaware of?

Adelson-approved foreign policy, Hispanic, Young, Photogenic, still DREAMs----and Florida.
All very necessary for Trump's VP.

Rubio is power-hungry and looking to 2020 and beyond and he's out of a job--I no longer believe Kasich would take the VP .
 
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Both actors?

Off Topic...

I do like your new avatar, Josie.

Thanks! :)
 
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Yes, of the three mentioned Trump is indeed the closest to Reagan. Reagan was fairly liberal in his early years. Remember this guy was the toast of Hollywood. President of the Screen Actor's Guild. In fact, his tenure was marked by his excellent negotiation skills.

Add to this that any conservative icon of the past would generally be considered liberal to moderate today. Conservative meant something different, usually having to do with economics and defense and not as much emphasis on the social stuff.

Question -- how long did Reagan espouse conservative views before he was President?
 
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this is not hostile to you, but explain how the executive of the constitution does what you said he did, since the executive must follow the laws made by congress.

Pretty well laid out here.
 
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Pretty well laid out here.

well there are 2 thoughts on this, some claim reagan did it as governor, and some as president.

here is the governor part, from a poster i have read his posting


FROM DAVE

I respectfully disagree. My wife worked for the chief of the psychiatric department at the Brentwood VA in California during the early 80s. From the mid-70s to mid-80s there was a strong 'patients rights' movement generated by the mental health advocate community. Although there were many facets to this movement, one of the primary elements was a re-examination of the criteria for institutionalizing patients.

The point of contention revolved around interpretations of what it meant for a patient to be able to 'take care of himself.' Prior to this the interpretation was rather strict; if a patient could not earn an income and provide shelter and food for himself (and if there were no family members able to care for him), then he would normally be institutionalized.

Begining in the late 70s, the advocacy groups began to demand a lower standard. As long as a patient could merely wash and dress himself, and could perform the mechanical tasks of shovelling food into his mouth, then every effort was made to force the institutions to release them. My wife's boss spent many months both in court and testifying before the state assembly trying to stop this lowering of standards. Unsuccessfully.

Predictably, most of the newly discharged patients were unable to take care of themselves in any meaningful sense of the word, and became the homeless people on the street. It's no coincidence that the decline in California's mental health insitution population closely matched the sharp increase of homeless (in California, at least) during the same period. In fact, for about two years, my wife literally was on a first name basis with every homeless person we ran across in the Westwood/Santa Monica area. They were all former patients who had been 'sprung' from the VA by well meaning advocate groups who then simply walked away and left these guys hanging.

Reagan was not involved in this movement, nor was he a symptom or symbolic of it. Quite the contrary. The people who 'liberated' the inmates tended to be on the opposite end of the political spectum. In fact, it was the ACLU who provided legal representation to force the VA to release these patients.
 
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Ted Cruz is the closest living thing to Ronald Reagan we're ever gonna have in our lifetimes. I don't know what more I can say about Ted Cruz. I also like Marco Rubio, in comparison to other options and choices. People get mad at me for that... There isn't perfection in a candidate.

I'd like to know how Trump supporters feel about his words. Do you agree with him or do you think Trump is closer to being like Reagan?

If there ever was a theme of this year's election its "there isn't perfection in a candidate".... its just how many warts can you live with? Sorry, but Cruz is more warts than most of the others.

I lived through Ronald Reagan. Reagan was pragmatic. He reached across the aisle to get things done (though he often had to send his staff to testify before congressional committees AFTER he did them).

Ted Cruz ain't no Ronald Reagan.
 
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Pretty well laid out here.

The Lanterman–Petris–Short (LPS) Act (Cal. Welf & Inst. Code, sec. 5000 et seq.) concerns the involuntary civil commitment to a mental health institution in the State of California. The act set the precedent for modern mental health commitment procedures in the United States. It was co-authored by California State Assemblyman Frank D. Lanterman (R) and California State Senators Nicholas C. Petris (D) and Alan Short (D), and signed into law in 1967 by Governor Ronald Reagan. The Act went into full effect on July 1, 1972. It cited seven articles of intent:

To end the inappropriate, indefinite, and involuntary commitment of mentally disordered persons, people with developmental disabilities, and persons impaired by chronic alcoholism, and to eliminate legal disabilities;
To provide prompt evaluation and treatment of persons with serious mental disorders or impaired by chronic alcoholism;
To guarantee and protect public safety;
To safeguard individual rights through judicial review;
To provide individualized treatment, supervision, and placement services by a conservatorship program for gravely disabled persons;
To encourage the full use of all existing agencies, professional personnel and public funds to accomplish these objectives and to prevent duplication of services and unnecessary expenditures;
To protect mentally disordered persons and developmentally disabled persons from criminal acts.
The Act in effect ended all hospital commitments by the judiciary system, except in the case of criminal sentencing, e.g., convicted sexual offenders, and those who were "gravely disabled", defined as unable to obtain food, clothing, or housing [Conservatorship of Susan T., 8 Cal. 4th 1005 (1994)]. It did not, however, impede the right of voluntary commitments. It expanded the evaluative power of psychiatrists and created provisions and criteria for holds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanterman–Petris–Short_Act
 
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translation of my statement, "i don't look at people as groups, but at them as people"

the clip was an observation about people with no sense of humor.
 
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the clip was an observation about people with no sense of humor.



i was not looking at this comment it that way, because i look thru a different lense.
 
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i was not looking at this comment it that way, because i look thru a different lense.

Yes , we have known that for several years now.
 
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Ted Cruz is the closest living thing to Ronald Reagan we're ever gonna have in our lifetimes. I don't know what more I can say about Ted Cruz. I also like Marco Rubio, in comparison to other options and choices. People get mad at me for that... There isn't perfection in a candidate.

I'd like to know how Trump supporters feel about his words. Do you agree with him or do you think Trump is closer to being like Reagan?

I agree with him that there is no perfect candidate. Reagan wasn't a perfect candidate. I disagree with the Cruz-Reagan comparison, though. I like Cruz but he's a different animal than Reagan. Reagan was common sense conservative with a load of charisma, Cruz is a brilliant constructionalist conservative with zero charisma.
 
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Limbaugh is fall-off-the-right-side-of-the-table. Of course he is gonna get a chub from fall-off-the-right-side-of-the-table candidates. I'm sure if Saint Santorum were still in it, Limbaugh would be in the bag for HIM.
 
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Yes , we have known that for several years now.

How do you think Trump is doing with Reagan's 11th commandment ?
 
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How do you think Trump is doing with Reagan's 11th commandment ?

It appears than the 11th commandment has been violated more times than a prohibition against committing adultery.
 
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Limbaugh is fall-off-the-right-side-of-the-table. Of course he is gonna get a chub from fall-off-the-right-side-of-the-table candidates. I'm sure if Saint Santorum were still in it, Limbaugh would be in the bag for HIM.

Eh, I don't recall Limbaugh ever being on Ol' Frothy's bandwagon. Probably because it was pretty clear to everyone, Rush included, that Santorum had a zero-point-zero chance of ever winning the nomination, much less a general election.
 
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No you have the right one there.

Amnesty for illegals is now a tenet of conservatism?
 
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Amnesty for illegals is now a tenet of conservatism?

It was for Reagan--in spite of the historical revisions by rightists .
 
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It appears than the 11th commandment has been violated more times than a prohibition against committing adultery.

As well as the old 18th during the Roaring 20's with that TEApot Dome scandal and the Gilded Age-induced Depression .
 
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Amnesty for illegals is now a tenet of conservatism?

:shrug: every single Republican running includes it in some form or another, up to and including Donald J Trump.

Rubio has a lifetime rating of 98 from the American Conservative Union. He has an "perfect" rating from the NRA, a 100 Rating and Description as "Taxpayer Super Hero from the Citizens Against Government Waste, is labeled a "complete pro-growth, free-market, limited-government conservative" by the Club for Growth, and has a 100 rating from the National Right to Life along with a Zero from NARAL. His tax plan was co-authored with Mike Lee, he ran on entitlement reform in the state of Florida, he has consistently pushed freezing non-defense spending at 2008 levels, and a balanced budget amendment, which he hopes to achieve at the convention of states to take power back from the Federal Government. Rubio is tied for 4th on Heritage's list of most conservative Senators, with a 94% Rating. The average Senate Republican has a rating of 59. The average House Republican has a rating of 63. Rubio is one of the most conservative members of the Republican party in either house of Congress. He has a higher rating than Jeff Sessions.

Jim Geraghty said it best: If the perception that Rubio is too moderate costs him the GOP nomination, it will reveal a great deal about what defines a conservative in 2016. Sadly, the label no longer has much to do with actual policy positions, ideas, or governing philosophies. If Rubio is no longer conservative, then conservatism is now primarily a matter of aesthetics.
 
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Ted Cruz is the closest living thing to Ronald Reagan we're ever gonna have in our lifetimes. I don't know what more I can say about Ted Cruz. I also like Marco Rubio, in comparison to other options and choices. People get mad at me for that... There isn't perfection in a candidate.

I'd like to know how Trump supporters feel about his words. Do you agree with him or do you think Trump is closer to being like Reagan?
Neither Trump nor Cruz are like Reagan. :neutral:
 
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When Ronald Reagan sought the Republican nomination for President in 1980, he faced a massive wall of opposition. The MSM hated him. The Rockefeller Republicans hated him. I'd say in that respect he and Cruz share something in common. Yet the people loved his message of conservatism.
 
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