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John Kasich's Alarming Power in the 2016 Race

Roadvirus said:
John Kasich finally won a state's primary....and now he has ALARMING POWER!

Really?
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Particularly when you consider that he didn't even get half the votes in his home state that he is so popular in. yes he won it by about 10 points. not impressive.
 
Roadvirus said:
John Kasich finally won a state's primary....and now he has ALARMING POWER!

Really?
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Really!

This post proves you didn't read my entire OP and you just looked at the title. So the premise of your post is wrong. I did not write this post after he won Ohio (which only adds to my theory) and in fact, I have talked very little about his Ohio win on this thread. I wrote this back in February, but you would have known that if you actually read it! This thread has been more about his internal campaign and what his strategy may be. So if you want to comment on any of the other things that I have pointed out about Kasich's power, power which he seemingly shouldn't have. Then by all means do so. Don't just come in here to mock a thread when you clearly haven't read it.
 
Roadvirus said:
John Kasich finally won a state's primary....and now he has ALARMING POWER!

Really?
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Yeah, it's disgraceful the way the media have conducted themselves. They did the same thing with Little Marco. Celebrating his third, fourth, and fifth place finishes. Its clear that the media is trying to influence this race in unprecedented ways.
 
I've been wondering myself if Kasich can win another state. I've also been wondering if people will get tired of trump and he will Implode. Is the northeast battle really locked in for Trump? New polls coming out of PA show Kasich neck and neck with Trump. The real race hasn't even started yet!

He was 1% in the polls in January.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Pennsylvania Republican Presidential Primary
 
ModerateGOP said:
I've been wondering myself if Kasich can win another state. I've also been wondering if people will get tired of trump and he will Implode. Is the northeast battle really locked in for Trump? New polls coming out of PA show Kasich neck and neck with Trump. The real race hasn't even started yet!

He was 1% in the polls in January.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Pennsylvania Republican Presidential Primary
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Since when are leads of 17 points, 14.5 points and 3 points considered "neck and neck". You guys are funny.
 
Fearandloathing said:
This is what I cannot comprehend. From what little we see and hear on our media, myself and all of my colleagues he's perfect for what the US needs right now, and the perfect guy to nail old Hillary. My GP, another political junkie says Kasich is the next Kennedy. But then there you have labels like "big government" because it looks like someone's idea of where the line should be drawn. Far more practical is to look at how much he has accomplished as well as his ability to get people on side.

From this vantage point he is an exceptionally attractive candidate and the best alternative to Trump or Hillary. But then we just elected a 43 year old prime minister, one who seems to be getting things done. Were me there, I would vote youth.
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U.S. politics is simply not based on rationality or any semblance of it at this point.
 
Fearandloathing said:
This is what I cannot comprehend. From what little we see and hear on our media, myself and all of my colleagues he's perfect for what the US needs right now, and the perfect guy to nail old Hillary. My GP, another political junkie says Kasich is the next Kennedy. But then there you have labels like "big government" because it looks like someone's idea of where the line should be drawn. Far more practical is to look at how much he has accomplished as well as his ability to get people on side.

From this vantage point he is an exceptionally attractive candidate and the best alternative to Trump or Hillary. But then we just elected a 43 year old prime minister, one who seems to be getting things done. Were me there, I would vote youth.
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Kasich is the next Kennedy???? What brand of weed is (whatever GP stands for) smoking? Did they mean Ted Kennedy? IMO certainly neither Robert OR John F. :no:

How does Kasich fit in with "Ask not what your Country can do for you; ask what YOU can do for your Country" politics?
 
Captain Adverse said:
How does Kasich fit in with "Ask not what your Country can do for you; ask what YOU can do for your Country" politics?
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I'm responding to you only to the extent of saying this: honestly, JFK wasn't that great of a President.

That quote is a great sentiment, inspiring and all. But he really did not have much of a chance to prove or disprove himself. He was cut down too early. I think the praise he gets is vastly outsized when compared to what he actually accomplished in the time he had.

One can also point out how he was kept ripped to the tits on various uppers, downers, painkillers, etc., throughout the Cuban Missile Crisis. We came out allright, but I'd really prefer my President to be more sober.
 
disneydude said:
Since when are leads of 17 points, 14.5 points and 3 points considered "neck and neck". You guys are funny.
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Where are you getting those numbers? The newest poll shows Kasich 3 points closing in on Trump. 3 points is within the margin of error. 14.5 does not exist anywhere on that chart. 17 is on the Ted Cruz side.
 
Mr Person said:
I'm responding to you only to the extent of saying this: honestly, JFK wasn't that great of a President.

That quote is a great sentiment, inspiring and all. But he really did not have much of a chance to prove or disprove himself. He was cut down too early. I think the praise he gets is vastly outsized when compared to what he actually accomplished in the time he had.

One can also point out how he was kept ripped to the tits on various uppers, downers, painkillers, etc., throughout the Cuban Missile Crisis. We came out allright, but I'd really prefer my President to be more sober.
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and if you want to feel good about the country. If you want to feel inspired by people. Just listen to John's town halls where he is most comfortable and open and honest. I'm guessing GP (grandpa?) sees that in Kasich.
 
Mr Person said:
I'm responding to you only to the extent of saying this: honestly, JFK wasn't that great of a President.

That quote is a great sentiment, inspiring and all. But he really did not have much of a chance to prove or disprove himself. He was cut down too early. I think the praise he gets is vastly outsized when compared to what he actually accomplished in the time he had.

One can also point out how he was kept ripped to the tits on various uppers, downers, painkillers, etc., throughout the Cuban Missile Crisis. We came out allright, but I'd really prefer my President to be more sober.
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Well forgive me. I lived during the days of his "Camelot" White House. I also lived through the days of the campaign and assassination of his brother Robert who SHOULD have been given the chance to be President.

Your opinion is noted. :shrug:
 
ModerateGOP said:
Where are you getting those numbers? The newest poll shows Kasich 3 points closing in on Trump. 3 points is within the margin of error. 14.5 does not exist anywhere on that chart. 17 is on the Ted Cruz side.
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ahhhhhhhh....from your link.


Polling Data



Poll

Date

Sample

MoE


Trump


Kasich


Cruz

Spread

RCP Average 3/1 - 3/20 -- -- 34.5 20.0 18.5 Trump +14.5 Franklin & Marshall 3/14 - 3/20 312 RV 5.4 33 30 20 Trump +3
Harper (R) 3/1 - 3/2 353 LV 5.2 36 10 17 Trump +17

All Pennsylvania Republican Presidential Primary Polling Data


Doh!
 
disneydude said:
ahhhhhhhh....from your link.


Polling Data



Poll

Date

Sample

MoE


Trump


Kasich


Cruz

Spread

RCP Average 3/1 - 3/20 -- -- 34.5 20.0 18.5 Trump +14.5 Franklin & Marshall 3/14 - 3/20 312 RV 5.4 33 30 20 Trump +3
Harper (R) 3/1 - 3/2 353 LV 5.2 36 10 17 Trump +17

All Pennsylvania Republican Presidential Primary Polling Data


Doh!
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OK I just don't read the spread... missed it.
 
Mr Person said:
I'm responding to you only to the extent of saying this: honestly, JFK wasn't that great of a President.

That quote is a great sentiment, inspiring and all. But he really did not have much of a chance to prove or disprove himself. He was cut down too early. I think the praise he gets is vastly outsized when compared to what he actually accomplished in the time he had.

One can also point out how he was kept ripped to the tits on various uppers, downers, painkillers, etc., throughout the Cuban Missile Crisis. We came out allright, but I'd really prefer my President to be more sober.
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Captain Adverse said:
Well forgive me. I lived during the days of his "Camelot" White House. I also lived through the days of the campaign and assassination of his brother Robert who SHOULD have been given the chance to be President.

Your opinion is noted.
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You were alive when JFK was in office and note my opinion. Thank you. I don't see what that has to do with what I said, unless it's supposed to be a passive-aggressive attempt to shame me for not praising him enough.




What did he do that merits his mantle? If giving inspirational speeches is what counts, Obama's got a ton. But people look to what he did, not said.

Why should I focus on what JFK said but not did?



If I am so wrong, can you direct me to any serious works of scholarship with further information?
 
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I wouldn't put it past him. This is what kasich has been planning from the start. The rhetoric is there and he's already reconfigured the Ohio government in the same exact way. It's very telling that he can do it again. He's a very cunning and savvy man despite his watered down image on this egotistical campaign trail.

If kasich pulls it off at the end and pulls the wool over everyone's eyes. I say the man deserves it. That would take a miracle and a pretty damn good operation to make it happen.
 
Everybody is talking about Kasich again!!!!! Why? Well apparently the guy is hungry. In an apparent move designed to get media attention pictures of John Kasich eating have been going around the world through social media. Hitting such stumping places as Donald Trump, Late Night TV Talk Shows, and the White House Correspondent's dinner! What does this have to do with Kasich's power in the 2016 race? Everything!

Trump Mocks Rival Kasich's 'Disgusting' Eating Habits - ABC News

WSJ: Trump, Cruz Fear GOP Convention May Nominate Kasich

As long as they keep talking about you in the news, that helps right?
 
ModerateGOP said:
If kasich pulls it off at the end and pulls the wool over everyone's eyes. I say the man deserves it. That would take a miracle and a pretty damn good operation to make it happen.
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I'm hoping like a lot of people. But you know how miracles are — sometimes they don't happen.
 
reinoe said:
Regardless of what anyone says about the "liberal media": the media loves establishment. Even though Kasich is not touted as being an establishment guy he's part of that network too. It's just that there were people who were part of the inner circle like Perry, Bush, Walker and Rubio. Those people have the RNC movers and shakers on speed dial but that doesn't mean the establishment won't hesitate to rally around a couple of other candidates. The establishment media has been ignoring a lot of things for a long time. The undercurrent of American dissatisfaction with the economy is something that affects both liberals and conservatives and moderates. This whole "war on drugs" has been increasingly been unpopular among the American people but the media has also been slow to respond. Trump and Sanders on in the Rep and Dem races represent that overall American sense of unhappiness with our current system and the only people who should really be surprised is the media. They've been neglecting to do their jobs for so long that they don't even have their fingers on the pulse of the nation anymore.
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Oh to blame the 'liberal media'... a bit off i'd say....

First the Liberal media has granted Trump access and lead stories almost daily- Jeb, Rubio, Perry, Walker couldn't make the news even if they got arrested. In a political and economically diverse climate as our nation there are always going to be 'upset' folks. But neither Trump or Bernie are getting YUUUUGE numbers. Neither poll well in a national setting, and both are fringe candidates with less than dominating support.

While many are unhappy with the economy it is for polar opposite reasons- hardly a consensus there. Same with most all the issues- many want to end the war on drugs- others want to double down. Healthcare same way- some want a more universal system and others think only the private sector can 'fix' the system...

The media isn't driving this more like sucking up all the drama and making hay.... Trump makes a great lead-in and he knows it... :peace
 
mmi said:
I'm hoping like a lot of people. But you know how miracles are — sometimes they don't happen.
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Well Kasich is the last man standing against Trump that in itself is a miracle. Who would have thought?
 
ModerateGOP said:
Well Kasich is the last man standing against Trump that in itself is a miracle. Who would have thought?
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I don't want to seem argumentative (not me), and I can see yer point in that it was a very large field at the beginning, but I figure Kasich stood out as both the most electable candidate and as the one having by far the greatest potential to be an effective president. The GOP allowed this Frankenstein teabugger movement to grow within the party, thinking they could be exploited and controlled, and it now has Frumpy the Strumpet as its standard-bearer. Kinda the same way Uncle Dolphy got off the ground.
 
vesper said:
the U.S. was founded on the principle that the federal government would be less than the states.
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Absolute nonsense. As another poster noted, yer describing the central gubmint associated with the Articles of Confederation. The anti-Federalists were defeated at the Convention. Then you've got McCulloch v. Maryland and Appomattox. Game over.

Mr Person said:
JFK … was kept ripped to the tits on various uppers, downers, painkillers, etc., throughout the Cuban Missile Crisis. We came out allright, but I'd really prefer my President to be more sober.
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Ha! Thanks for the laugh.

Mr Person said:
What did he do that merits his mantle? … If I am so wrong, can you direct me to any serious works of scholarship with further information?
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How about a short list of some of the more obvious accomplishments:

  • avoided a Third World War in Oct 1962
  • got a nuclear test ban treaty
  • got the space program going with the Apollo program
  • started the peace Corps
  • pushed the civil rights agenda that Johnson got enacted
  • expanded federal aid to education and funding for healthcare for the poor/elderly
Is his presidency overrated? I'd say it probably is. But there's no reason I can see to view him as anything less than a strong and effective leader during difficult times. And he inspired millions of Americans to get involved in public service. I figure the world is a much better place as a result of his efforts. A witty, classy war hero who gave his life serving his country. Why shouldn't he be admired, even beloved?
 
Well he may not have won the contested convention like he was hoping (though there is still some of that talk going on). However, it seems likely that Kasich could be Trump's VP because Trump wants to win Ohio and Kasich is the only guy who could do it!

John Kasich drops out of presidential race - CNNPolitics.com

Trump says he would consider Kasich, Rubio for VP choice, as Priebus stresses time for GOP 'to heal' | Fox News

I won't be voting in the primary, but if Trump chooses Kasich as a VP that might get me to vote.
 
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