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Hillary will only be a one term President

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solletica

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Despite her (nearly guaranteed) victory in the upcoming 2016 Presidential election, Clinton won't win a 2nd term.

Quite simply, her lack of any convictions and her history of waffling on issues simply based on what happens to be popular at the time will do her in. Because she'll simply obey the political wind, her foreign policy will be 100% nonsensical (as if her support for the 2003 Iraq invasion and Obama's silly meddling in Syria and Libya didn't already make that clear), a fact which will anger Libertarians, liberals, and conservatives.

But even more obviously, her lack of commitment to left-leaning causes (i. e. environmental conservation, consumer protection, drug legalization, etc.) will doom any chance of her being guaranteed the 2020 Democratic nomination--contrary to popular belief, an incumbent Pres awaiting a second term is not necessarily guaranteed the nomination for his/her party.

So Hillary will be wiped out in 2020--she'll be defeated, most likely by another Democratic challenger.
 
I don't see another Democrat running against her as an incumbent. Hell, most didn't dare oppose her this time. The only chance there is of her not winning a second term is if the Republicans finally get their act together and put forward a viable candidate. If she wins this one I believe she will be in for 8 years.
 
Hillary will only be a one term President
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given presidential election history, if she does win the primary and the general, one term is more likely than two. it's pretty difficult to win a second term directly after a two term president of your own party. many can't even manage to win one term. the two party system sucks by definition, so voters like to shuffle the cards as often as possible. there are only two cards in this deck. anyone can do the math.
 
BrewerBob said:
I don't see another Democrat running against her as an incumbent. Hell, most didn't dare oppose her this time. The only chance there is of her not winning a second term is if the Republicans finally get their act together
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:lamo . On the national scale, the GOP has dug too deep a hole for it to get out of--between the total disaster of the GWB years, and the vehemently bigoted rhetoric of GOP candidates in the current race, the party is finished in terms of Presidential elections.

From now on, the GOP will only win Congressional elections.

Hence, the only serious challenge to Hillary has to come from the Democratic Party, and that's not hard for someone to do--a contender to the left of her w/a realistic agenda could easily defeat her, considering the fact that she's struggling against a wide-eyed socialist--someone w/an unrealistic agenda--in the current race.
 
solletica said:
:lamo . On the national scale, the GOP has dug too deep a hole for it to get out of--between the total disaster of the GWB years, and the vehemently bigoted rhetoric of GOP candidates in the current race, the party is finished in terms of Presidential elections.

From now on, the GOP will only win Congressional elections.

Hence, the only serious challenge to Hillary has to come from the Democratic Party, and that's not hard for someone to do--a contender to the left of her w/a realistic agenda could easily defeat her, esp. considering the fact that she's struggling against a wide-eyed socialist in the current race.
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chattering classes have been screaming that matra since the 1970s, it ain't come to pass yet.
 
If the Iowa and NH trends continue I don't think she's gonna BE President...
 
Goshin said:
If the Iowa and NH trends continue I don't think she's gonna BE President...
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She only plans one term then will hand off to Castro who will be our first two term Hispanic president.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
chattering classes have been screaming that matra since the 1970s, it ain't come to pass yet.
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The current political situation is far different than the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, etc.

During those years, the GOP was never in as bad shape as it is now--that's the key difference that will open the door toward a Democrat seriously challenging Hillary in 2020.
 
solletica said:
The current political situation is far different than the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, etc.

During those years, the GOP was never in as bad shape as it is now--that's the key difference that will open the door toward a Democrat seriously challenging Hillary in 2020.
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blah blah blah.

It's always different.

still not happening.
 
solletica said:
The current political situation is far different than the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, etc.

During those years, the GOP was never in as bad shape as it is now--that's the key difference that will open the door toward a Democrat seriously challenging Hillary in 2020.
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Hah! They own the statehouses, the governor's chairs. You seem to forget, the president proposes, it is congress who enacts. Who holds the most seats in each body? Now, can you see how that might be related to their strength in the statehouses? You might just as well be arguing that the democrat party is dead because they have lost their roots.
 
This country will not survive those 4 years.

Also, a Hilldabeast win would go to prove how stupid the electorate has become.
 
clownboy said:
Hah! They own the statehouses, the governor's chairs. You seem to forget, the president proposes, it is congress who enacts. Who holds the most seats in each body? Now, can you see how that might be related to their strength in the statehouses? You might just as well be arguing that the democrat party is dead because they have lost their roots.
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That's it, it bothers me to hear some democrat on NPR whining "oh the republicans are only winning because of gerrymandering" well if that were the case they wouldn't hold the majority of legislative seats in state houses, they wouldn't hold the senate, they wouldn't hold the vast majority of Governorships....
 
solletica said:
Despite her (nearly guaranteed) victory in the upcoming 2016 Presidential election, Clinton won't win a 2nd term.

Quite simply, her lack of any convictions and her history of waffling on issues simply based on what happens to be popular at the time will do her in. Because she'll simply obey the political wind, her foreign policy will be 100% nonsensical (as if her support for the 2003 Iraq invasion and Obama's silly meddling in Syria and Libya didn't already make that clear), a fact which will anger Libertarians, liberals, and conservatives.

But even more obviously, her lack of commitment to left-leaning causes (i. e. environmental conservation, consumer protection, drug legalization, etc.) will doom any chance of her being guaranteed the 2020 Democratic nomination--contrary to popular belief, an incumbent Pres awaiting a second term is not necessarily guaranteed the nomination for his/her party.

So Hillary will be wiped out in 2020--she'll be defeated, most likely by another Democratic challenger.
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Lines in the sand:

Sanders doesn't have a chance against Clinton.

Sanders has no hope of beating Clinton in Iowa.

Sanders can't win the Democratic election.

Hillary can't win a second term.
 
Roadvirus said:
This country will not survive those 4 years.

Also, a Hilldabeast win would go to prove how stupid the electorate has become.
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Like it or not, she'll be the winner. So we'll just have to see if she can deliver.

Being defeated in 2020 will dirty her legacy as the first female Pres, and that has to matter to her, if nothing else.
 
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Risky Thicket said:
Lines in the sand:

Sanders doesn't have a chance against Clinton.
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True.

Risky Thicket said:
Sanders has no hope of beating Clinton in Iowa.
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Turns out that wasn't true, since Sanders tied her.

Risky Thicket said:
Sanders can't win the Democratic election.
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True. I wouldn't want him to win anyway--he's a socialist, and I'm opposed to socialism, including the socialism favored by the GOP--tax everyone to death to pay for useless wars, increased govt. surveillance, and bedroom policing.

Risky Thicket said:
Hillary can't win a second term.
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NO, but she will be defeated by a Democratic (as opposed to GOP) challenger, most likely Liz Warren or Joe Sestak.
 
solletica said:
Despite her (nearly guaranteed) victory in the upcoming 2016 Presidential election, Clinton won't win a 2nd term.
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My analysis of the election cycle tells me she won't get a first term. She will be a two time loser.
 
Goshin said:
If the Iowa and NH trends continue I don't think she's gonna BE President...
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That would be nice but unfortunately performance in Iowa and NH haven't exactly been representative of performance nationwide in the past.
 
BrewerBob said:
That would be nice but unfortunately performance in Iowa and NH haven't exactly been representative of performance nationwide in the past.
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I didn't say it did. She will lose because she is an untrustworthy liar. Democrats don't like that any more than republicans do. That's what the election results told me. People are on to her. The only hope she has is that people will put partisanship above common sense.
 
fmw said:
I didn't say it did. She will lose because she is an untrustworthy liar. Democrats don't like that any more than republicans do. That's what the election results told me. People are on to her. The only hope she has is that people will put partisanship above common sense.
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I was replying to Goshin. :)
 
solletica said:
Despite her (nearly guaranteed) victory in the upcoming 2016 Presidential election, Clinton won't win a 2nd term.

Quite simply, her lack of any convictions and her history of waffling on issues simply based on what happens to be popular at the time will do her in. Because she'll simply obey the political wind, her foreign policy will be 100% nonsensical (as if her support for the 2003 Iraq invasion and Obama's silly meddling in Syria and Libya didn't already make that clear), a fact which will anger Libertarians, liberals, and conservatives.

But even more obviously, her lack of commitment to left-leaning causes (i. e. environmental conservation, consumer protection, drug legalization, etc.) will doom any chance of her being guaranteed the 2020 Democratic nomination--contrary to popular belief, an incumbent Pres awaiting a second term is not necessarily guaranteed the nomination for his/her party.

So Hillary will be wiped out in 2020--she'll be defeated, most likely by another Democratic challenger.
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Shes not even President...
 
Helix said:
given presidential election history, if she does win the primary and the general, one term is more likely than two. it's pretty difficult to win a second term directly after a two term president of your own party. many can't even manage to win one term. the two party system sucks by definition, so voters like to shuffle the cards as often as possible. there are only two cards in this deck. anyone can do the math.
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She would have to be down low in the polls. Regardless of personal opinions (not yours), she is a fighter.
 
I don't see Hillary actually making it to the finish line. In any event, the Democrats don't take Trump seriously and look where Trump is now because the Republicans didn't take him seriously. It is a huge mistake to underestimate him.
 
JANFU said:
She would have to be down low in the polls. Regardless of personal opinions (not yours), she is a fighter.
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if she's way up in the polls and the economy is really good, then maybe, but party fatigue can be a real factor,
 
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