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Rubio Says One Thing in English, Another in Spanish?

cpwill said:
That's an interesting claim. Can you point to polling demonstrating that the overwhelming majority of Americans want 12 million people rounded up and forcibly deported, inevitably including the unconstitutional rounding up and deporting of American citizens?
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What is this "unconstitutional rounding up and deporting of American citizens" bull**** you just made up?
 
reinoe said:
Since when does rounding up illegal immigrants include deporting American citizens?!
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Ray410 said:
What is this "unconstitutional rounding up and deporting of American citizens" bull**** you just made up?
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Illegal aliens have minor American citizen children. A program to deport every illegal alien will of necessity include deporting their children with them.

This was pointed out to Trump and his response was basically "oh well". That's because Trump A) doesn't give a rats ass about the Constitution and B) doesn't actually intend to go through with it.
 
cpwill said:
This is inaccurate. Rubio proposes deportation for those who overstay visas (which is half of our incoming illegals), any who have committed crimes, and any who haven't been here long enough. Additionally those who refuse the requirements (pay a fine, learn English, undergo a background check) will be subject to deportation. He simply doesn't propose it for 12 million people en masse, many of whom have children who are American citizens.
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Link? And skip the "gang of eight bill" nonsense.
 
cpwill said:
Illegal aliens have minor American citizen children. A program to deport every illegal alien will of necessity include deporting their children with them.
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calamity said:
Many of them have dependent children who were born here, ergo American citizens.
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No it doesn't. It means putting them in foster care or having them live with their AMERICAN CITIZEN relatives if possible.
 
Ray410 said:
What is this "unconstitutional rounding up and deporting of American citizens" bull**** you just made up?
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The dependent children of the illegals who are natural born US citizens. What you plan to do with them? You want Hillary or Rubio or whomever to send them to your house? I sure as hell don't want to take care of them.
 
calamity said:
The dependent children of the illegals who are natural born US citizens. What you plan to do with them? You want Hillary or Rubio or whomever to sent them to your house?
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I'm not going to debate myself. What do you plan to do with them?
 
reinoe said:
No it doesn't. It means putting them in foster care or having them live with their AMERICAN CITIZEN relatives if possible.
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:lol: yes, it does. the American foster system is not set up to take a dump of millions of children, nor would that be good for the children, nor are the parents going to accept it.
 
reinoe said:
No it doesn't. It means putting them in foster care or having them live with their AMERICAN CITIZEN relatives if possible.
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Good grief. Do you have any idea the mess that will create? Why not let the parents just keep mowing lawns, trimming bushes, washing dishes or whatever, and let them take care of them.
 
Ray410 said:
I'm not going to debate myself. What do you plan to do with them?
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Send them to your house. You're the one who insists we deport their parents.
 
Ray410 said:
Link? And skip the "gang of eight bill" nonsense.
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Well, for example, you could look on his site. It's got a fairly good "Issues" section.

On Immigration, for example:

...The second step is to modernize our legal immigration system toward a merit-based one. That would mean reassigning existing visas away from family-based immigration and toward work- and skill-based immigration, passing reforms for high-tech visas, as well as creating a limited guest worker program for seasonal workers in the agricultural sector to reduce the incentive for these workers to come here illegally in the future.

Once both of these reforms have been passed, then I believe the conditions will be in place to address the most politically sensitive aspect of immigration reform: what to do with more than twelve million people currently here illegally.

On the one hand, calls to grant amnesty to twelve million people are unrealistic and quite frankly irresponsible. On the other hand, not a single opponent of the Senate bill I helped author proposed that we try to round up and deport twelve million human beings. So how do we deal with this dilemma? I believe that if the enforcement measures are in place, there exists a path forward that would obtain a significant majority in Congress and the support of a majority of Americans across the political spectrum. It consists of three parts.

First, those here illegally must come forward and be registered. If they have committed serious crimes or have not been here long enough, they will have to leave. With the new E-Verify system in place, they are going to find it difficult to find a job in any case.

Second, those who qualify would be allowed to apply for a temporary nonimmigrant visa. To obtain it they will have to pay an application fee and a fine, undergo a background check and learn English. Once they receive this work permit, they would be allowed to work legally and travel. To keep it, they will have to pay taxes. They would not qualify for government programs like Obamacare, welfare or food stamps. And if they commit a crime while in this status, they would lose their permit.

Third and finally, those who qualify for a nonimmigrant visa will have to remain in this status for at least a decade. After that, they would be allowed to apply for permanent residency if they so choose. Many who qualify for this status will choose to remain in it indefinitely. But those who choose to seek permanent residency would have to do it the way anyone else would, not through any special pathway....
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Ray410 said:
Nonsense is nonsense.
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No it's not. I will definitely write my confressman and tell him to send any American Citizens orphaned due to the mass deportation order to Ray410's house.
 
Ray410 said:
Nonsense is nonsense.
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Seriously. Who do you think is going to be paying for 100% of their bills if we don't unCconstitutionally round them up and forcibly deport them?

You are. You will be housing them, clothing them, feeding them, etc. So yeah, metaphorically they will be at your house. Right now their parents are covering part of that load (and we are already covering the other part). Deporting their parents isn't going to get them off the social safety net rolls, it's going to make them more dependent and more of a drag on it.
 
cpwill said:
:lol: yes, it does. the American foster system is not set up to take a dump of millions of children, nor would that be good for the children, nor are the parents going to accept it.
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Then we can set up tribunals to have the children stripped of their citizenship if the illegal immigrant parents hate the foster system so much that they won't allow it.
 
cpwill said:
Seriously. Who do you think is going to be paying for 100% of their bills if we don't unCconstitutionally round them up and forcibly deport them?

You are. You will be housing them, clothing them, feeding them, etc. So yeah, metaphorically they will be at your house. Right now their parents are covering part of that load (and we are already covering the other part). Deporting their parents isn't going to get them off the social safety net rolls, it's going to make them more dependent and more of a drag on it.
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You have made an excellent case for deporting them with their illegal parents. Probably the best solution.
 
Ray410 said:
You're wrong. Rubio presents many harsh sounding ideas for disposition of illegals, but none include deportation. His intended result is what I posted. Americans overwhelmingly want illegal aliens out of the United States.
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What poll do you cite? I find a Pew Poll from May 2015 that says 72% of Americans are for them staying if they meet certain conditions. I did find where 80% of 1000 likely voters want CRIMINAL convicted felon illegal immigrants deported, but that's a far cry from ALL Americans overwhelmingly want illegal aliens out. (76% of Self identifying PUBs think it is impractical)

But please show us where you got your opinion from.... :peace
 
cpwill said:
Seriously. Who do you think is going to be paying for 100% of their bills if we don't unCconstitutionally round them up and forcibly deport them? You are. You will be housing them, clothing them, feeding them, etc. So yeah, metaphorically they will be at your house. Right now their parents are covering part of that load (and we are already covering the other part). Deporting their parents isn't going to get them off the social safety net rolls, it's going to make them more dependent and more of a drag on it.
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So we shouldn't deport working undocumented workers??? :peace
 
Ray410 said:
whattabunchabull****. How is that going to benefit the United States? You tell me.
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Well, we end up with controlled borders and a mandated e-verify system so that we don't get this problem of mass illegal immigration again. We get a modernized tracking system so that the people that come in have a forcing function to get them out, we force our immigrant community to learn English, causing them to assimilate, and then re-shaping our immigration system to target higher-skill immigrants and stop letting in anyone with a family member state-side helps our economy grow as we Brain-Drain the rest of the world. Right now we tell computer technicians to get bent so that we can import a construction worker instead - that doesn't make any sense, and switching from the latter to the former helps us grow economically.

We additionally get these people paying taxes (including payroll), which will help shore up our Social Security/Medicare systems a bit (it won't save them, but it buys us a bit of wiggle-room). When they ran the numbers (by "They", I Mean "former CBO Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin, not Rubio's people) found that we could reduce the deficit by $2.5 Trillion and increase growth by just under a full percentage point each year ($1,500 more GDP per capita).
 
calamity said:
Say it ain't so, Marco.

Schlafly to Rubio: Lying About Amnesty in Spanish Disqualifies You from the Presidential Race



Apparently he says something completely different in English.



That's different alright. Rubio got some 'splain'n to do.
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John McCain did the same thing. He told two different groups of voters two different things regarding amnesty.


McCain's secret meeting with Hispanics - - POLITICO.com
"He's one John McCain in front of white Republicans. And he's a different John McCain in front of Hispanics," complained Rosanna Pulido, a Hispanic and conservative Republican who attended the meeting.

Pulido, who heads the Illinois Minuteman Project, which advocates for restrictive immigration laws, said she thought McCain was "pandering to the crowd" by emphasizing immigration reform in his 15-minute speech.

"He's having his private meetings to rally Hispanics and to tell them what they want to hear," she said. "I'm outraged that he would reach out to me as a Hispanic but not as a conservative."

McCain Tells Hispanic Leaders He Will Push Immigration Reform
 
Ray410 said:
You have made an excellent case for deporting them with their illegal parents. Probably the best solution.
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Except that the Federal government is not given the power to forcibly round up and deport American citizens, nor do we want the Federal government getting the idea that it should be in that business.

Conservatives are supposed to believe in following the Constitution and stopping the expansion of the size and scope of government; not drastically expanding it every time we want it to solve a problem, the Constitution beDammed.
 
cpwill said:
Well, we end up with controlled borders and a mandated e-verify system so that we don't get this problem of mass illegal immigration again. We get a modernized tracking system so that the people that come in have a forcing function to get them out, we force our immigrant community to learn English, causing them to assimilate, and then re-shaping our immigration system to target higher-skill immigrants and stop letting in anyone with a family member state-side helps our economy grow as we Brain-Drain the rest of the world. Right now we tell computer technicians to get bent so that we can import a construction worker instead - that doesn't make any sense, and switching from the latter to the former helps us grow economically.

We additionally get these people paying taxes (including payroll), which will help shore up our Social Security/Medicare systems a bit (it won't save them, but it buys us a bit of wiggle-room). When they ran the numbers (by "They", I Mean "former CBO Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin, not Rubio's people) found that we could reduce the deficit by $2.5 Trillion and increase growth by just under a full percentage point each year ($1,500 more GDP per capita).
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Just out of curiosity and not in any way meant as an insult, to what percent do you believe what you just posted would ever actually happen to a satisfactory extent?
 
reinoe said:
Then we can set up tribunals to have the children stripped of their citizenship if the illegal immigrant parents hate the foster system so much that they won't allow it.
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Oh, that's a much better idea. Let's set up tribunals where we can strip undesirables of their citizenship. That won't ever be misused or go badly at all.
 
cpwill said:
Except that the Federal government is not given the power to forcibly round up and deport American citizens, nor do we want the Federal government getting the idea that it should be in that business.

Conservatives are supposed to believe in following the Constitution and stopping the expansion of the size and scope of government; not drastically expanding it every time we want it to solve a problem, the Constitution beDammed.
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Strip them of their citizenship if they are the children of illegal immigrants. An easy solution to the problem. Once they're found to be the children of illegal immigrants it'll be easy and convenient.
 
cpwill said:
Oh, that's a much better idea. Let's set up tribunals where we can strip undesirables of their citizenship. That won't ever be misused or go badly at all.
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As opposed to "let the illegal immigrants stay in this country because fixing a problem is too much work".
 
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