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43% in Iowa identify themselves as socialist !

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Many.
I could post them all, but your response will either be "radio silence", like LAST NIGHT when I beat you silly, or you'll just say "100% absurd and liberal", because that's your SCRIPT, and you're unable to deal with facts, or logic.
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translation: As a liberal I'm afraid to present even one example of Rand being a hypocrite after I implied it was common for her..
 
James972 said:
??????
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i figured maybe that you'd read the post on the second try rather than ignoring it. guess not.

either way, have a good one.
 
James972 said:
translation: As a liberal I'm afraid to present even one example of Rand being a hypocrite after I implied it was common for her..
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Rand herself? The example was already posted, but you said "she paid into it so she deserves it".
I say no, she should have turned it down and lived her principles.

You don't like that answer.
 
Helix said:
sure.



i definitely don't own the means of production where i work, and neither do most other workers. we live in a system of regulated capitalism. one side wants to regulate it less, and the other more.
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See, the moment one introduces any regulation whatsoever, 972 believes it's socialism.
Therein lies the problem.

We HAD the perfect economic mix when I was growing up.
That's why a single wage earner, my father, was able to raise a family on his regular forty hour a week job, send us to college, afford our healthcare, put a decent roof over our heads, buy two cars and even save enough for fun, vacations, a few minor luxuries and he had his pension to look forward to when he retired.

What 972 refuses to acknowledge, even after I pointed it out repeatedly, is that THAT ERA was the postwar New Deal Era, when our capitalist economy was a tool to serve the middle class, and we did HAVE, courtesy of FDR, a few minor socialist tweaks.
And we had regulations in place which protected people from the more predatory aspects of Wall Street and the markets.
Banks were forced to be more responsible with investor cash.

"One side wants to regulate it less, the other more", and another side, the side of people (or BOTS) like 972, wants NO regulations whatsoever.

But the fact is, and I pointed this out to 972, almost beating it over the head with the points:
NOTHING in the last forty plus years has EVER equaled the standard of living we had in America during that postwar New Deal Era...NOTHING. Libertarian ideals such as deregulation have made the standard of living GO DOWN.
Libertarian ideas like constant tax cuts have made the standard of living GO DOWN.

It is now nearly impossible for an AVERAGE forty hour a week single income earner to support a typical middle class family lifestyle anymore, not the kind of lifestyle I was the beneficiary of while growing up.

And finally, in the UTTER HYPOCRISY of the modern era, most of the Libertarians who scream the loudest aren't youngsters like 972, they are BABY BOOMERS who also grew up as beneficiaries of the New Deal Era, and now they want to strip these same benefits they enjoyed, from the new generation.
 
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
and we did HAVE, courtesy of FDR, a few minor socialist tweaks.
And we had regulations in place which protected people.
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100% absurd, Federal regulations total 100 times what they were in 1946 you just don't know it! Plus govt was bigger than ever when Obama took over and he wanted nothing more than to make it far bigger still. And they have Sanders( open communist) now who wants it far bigger still. See the trend? See why our liberals spied for Stalin? See why they want the Constitution to be a living communist document?
 
James972 said:
100% absurd, Federal regulations total 100 times what they were in 1946 you just don't know it! Plus govt was bigger than ever when Obama took over and he wanted nothing more than to make it far bigger still. And they have Sanders( open communist) now who wants it far bigger still. See the trend? See why our liberals spied for Stalin? See why they want the Constitution to be a living communist document?
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See? You can set your watch by the bot. It never deviates from that canned script.
And if you demonstrate how idiotic its position is with facts, it goes RADIO SILENCE for a day or two.
 
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