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sanders can't get nomination, tired of the media talking about it !!!

Hilary isn't dropping out...and this whole email thing has no more traction than Benghazi did the 6739th time you guys tried to make something of it. What is it with Republicans that you keep trying the same failed things over and over and over and over...and keep expecting different results?

It's not the Republicans investigating her server. It's Obama's FBI. And it's Obama's State Department that's releasing all these damaging emails. You know...the ones that prove she's a liar.

I think it's only a matter of time when Obama's DOJ will HAVE to charge her with something. That's when you'll see her bite the dust and Biden will step in to save the day.
 
'socialist' label keeps sanders from getting nomination ? thanks

Never stops the Republicans from their suicidal desire to put forth a wack-a-doo from the right. On the other hand, to date, they have done the right thing, yet they are still taking by Cruz.
 
The real problem is, if he gets the nomination.

I do not believe Bernie Sanders will get the nomination simply because the Democratic machine is against him; so far he has yet to receive one endorsement from a governor, senator or mayor. He did receive an endorsement from Moveon.org but he will need more than that. Also, I like Bernie's agenda, very much, but find it unrealistic in America's capitalist Republic. Most people do not want to pay huge amount of taxes to support his program. The US had a government shutdown regarding the Affordable Care Act which btw was already confirmed by SCOTUS as the law of the land and it was impractical to believe Obama would retract his signature legislation. In a more perfect world Bernies socialist program would not meet with such opposition, but we, politically, are so far removed from such that it's a waste of energy. Another thing, if by some miracle he did get the nomination, he would face such opposition from the congress he would be in worse shape than President Obama who has faced hostility and resistance to the majority of his programs, even nominations.
 
It's not the Republicans investigating her server. It's Obama's FBI. And it's Obama's State Department that's releasing all these damaging emails. You know...the ones that prove she's a liar.

I think it's only a matter of time when Obama's DOJ will HAVE to charge her with something. That's when you'll see her bite the dust and Biden will step in to save the day.


LOL....sorry but I don't think anyone is buying it. You guys are just so desperate for a "scandal" to bring her down....but its not going to happen.
 
LOL....sorry but I don't think anyone is buying it. You guys are just so desperate for a "scandal" to bring her down....but its not going to happen.

The scandals are already there, and have been. Whether they "bring her down" or not the public still knows and they're not going to forget. The remaining fan boys just have to work that much harder to compensate for their broken candidate and hope that the latest scandal doesn't involve the law before you can get her to the election.
 
LOL....sorry but I don't think anyone is buying it. You guys are just so desperate for a "scandal" to bring her down....but its not going to happen.

Her own scandal is already bringing her down.

Have you check the polls? I mean, Sanders...of all people...is polling higher than she is.
 
Her own scandal is already bringing her down.

Have you check the polls? I mean, Sanders...of all people...is polling higher than she is.

Okie Dokie Artichokie.......riiiiiiiiiight. Just keep dreaming, its kinda cute in a way....but the reality is going to sink in soon for ya because this "scandal" is not going to have any more legs than Benghazi had the 14687th time you guys tried it.
 
Okie Dokie Artichokie.......riiiiiiiiiight. Just keep dreaming, its kinda cute in a way....but the reality is going to sink in soon for ya because this "scandal" is not going to have any more legs than Benghazi had the 14687th time you guys tried it.

You may not want to admit it or accept it, but Benghazi already has had it's effect on her campaign as has the email scandal. There's a reason people think she's a liar, you know.
 
You may not want to admit it or accept it, but Benghazi already has had it's effect on her campaign as has the email scandal. There's a reason people think she's a liar, you know.

If you want to believe that.....go for it. The overwhelming majority of people in the US see Benghazi for exactly what it is....a desperate attempt by the right-wing to capitalize off the lost lives of 4 Americans for their own political gain. But you believe what you want.
 
And fear and deception are equally powerful sales instruments, and the selling of the status quo has been a full time job for at least 15 years.

Bernie has the potential to make a huge change in the trajectory this society is on.

Yeup, right into the poor house. His ideas would make the US Euro II and Americans will never stand for being taxed as they are. Anyway it nothing buit Speculation since he will never be President.
 
You may not want to admit it or accept it, but Benghazi already has had it's effect on her campaign as has the email scandal. There's a reason people think she's a liar, you know.

The only people that bought those attacks where those that would never have supported her or a Dem in the elections, the Party Faithful do not jump ship, and as usual the sheep will fall in line on both sides no matter who runs, it will be the Indes that will be left out in the cold when comes down to Nov, the lesser of two evils seems to be getting worse and worse.
 
I do not believe Bernie Sanders will get the nomination simply because the Democratic machine is against him; so far he has yet to receive one endorsement from a governor, senator or mayor. He did receive an endorsement from Moveon.org but he will need more than that. Also, I like Bernie's agenda, very much, but find it unrealistic in America's capitalist Republic. Most people do not want to pay huge amount of taxes to support his program. The US had a government shutdown regarding the Affordable Care Act which btw was already confirmed by SCOTUS as the law of the land and it was impractical to believe Obama would retract his signature legislation. In a more perfect world Bernies socialist program would not meet with such opposition, but we, politically, are so far removed from such that it's a waste of energy. Another thing, if by some miracle he did get the nomination, he would face such opposition from the congress he would be in worse shape than President Obama who has faced hostility and resistance to the majority of his programs, even nominations.

Based on what data? Every poll I've seen which considers Bernie's platform gives him overwhelming support for the vast majority of his ideas:

Do Americans Agree With Bernie Sanders? (INFOGRAPHIC)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ericans-back-his-agenda-and-hes-mostly-right/

Yes, it's a handful of polls, but do you have any better data in support of your contrary position? Assertion without evidence means nothing.

Further, Americans have extremely high tax morale; higher even than the citizenry of many developed European countries! Culture differences and tax morale in the United States and in Europe

Yeup, right into the poor house. His ideas would make the US Euro II and Americans will never stand for being taxed as they are. Anyway it nothing buit Speculation since he will never be President.

Based on what data/evidence? There are plenty of socialist leaning countries that are much more solvent than the United States. Assertion without evidence means nothing.
 
Based on what data? Every poll I've seen which considers Bernie's platform gives him overwhelming support for the vast majority of his ideas:

Do Americans Agree With Bernie Sanders? (INFOGRAPHIC)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ericans-back-his-agenda-and-hes-mostly-right/

Yes, it's a handful of polls, but do you have any better data in support of your contrary position? Assertion without evidence means nothing.

Further, Americans have extremely high tax morale; higher even than the citizenry of many developed European countries! Culture differences and tax morale in the United States and in Europe



Based on what data/evidence? There are plenty of socialist leaning countries that are much more solvent than the United States. Assertion without evidence means nothing.
Have you seen the way our government works these days, or should I say does not work, and you want to give them even more money and power? Sorry, all one has to do is read Sander's platform to notice that it is more give away programs and lots more taxes for all. All anyone running against Sanders has to do is point to the word tax, tax, and more tax in his own platform to prove that he is Not the person to be sitting in the Oval Office. He comes across as a smart man, but smart men are not always the best choices when it comes to Leading a Nation, especially the USA.
 
Have you seen the way our government works these days, or should I say does not work, and you want to give them even more money and power? Sorry, all one has to do is read Sander's platform to notice that it is more give away programs and lots more taxes for all. All anyone running against Sanders has to do is point to the word tax, tax, and more tax in his own platform to prove that he is Not the person to be sitting in the Oval Office. He comes across as a smart man, but smart men are not always the best choices when it comes to Leading a Nation, especially the USA.

And all Sanders has to do is point to the taxes he's actually leveling and the many example of countries whose citizens live significantly healthier, happier lives than Americans do with more representative government, more solvent treasuries and actual democratic rule vs US plutocracy.

Their move.
 
And all Sanders has to do is point to the taxes he's actually leveling and the many example of countries whose citizens live significantly healthier, happier lives than Americans do with more representative government, more solvent treasuries and actual democratic rule vs US plutocracy.

Their move.
Been tried before, the Vast Majority do not want to pay more to maybe get more, we already know how "efficient" the federal government is at spending our money wisely, most of those that actually work for a living would rather keep their money themselves. That said, if one gets enough of those that would not be paying more, because they make so little, and gets them to vote someone like Sanders in to get their freebies they might be able to implement their tax and spend ideas, that is until they either drive the actual wage earners out of the market and/or bankrupt the Nation. Then you would have a real problem on your hands, it is one thing to control the pig by feeding it but the down side is if you stop feeding the pig, then the pig will eat you.
 
Been tried before, the Vast Majority do not want to pay more to maybe get more,

We already pay more to get less. For instance, America pays more for healthcare and has less access to it than other advanced nations with some form of national healthcare options.
 
We already pay more to get less. For instance, America pays more for healthcare and has less access to it than other advanced nations with some form of national healthcare options.

True, so lets not pay even more for even less. Somewhere a person has to stop and say HEY! we need to fix our budget and if that means cutting out some of the waste to get our household budget in order then that is what we need to do. What some are proposing is to keep charging on the Charge card and get deeper and deeper into debt until we end up in bankruptcy. So, no thanks, I do not want to repeat a known bad plan of action and expect a different result, I am not that crazy or stupid, and thankfully neither is America.
 
True, so lets not pay even more for even less.

But the goal is to end up paying less for more, which can be done through some form of nationalized healthcare as demonstrated by many other nations.
 
But the goal is to end up paying less for more, which can be done through some form of nationalized healthcare as demonstrated by many other nations.

If the Nation could even implement such a system. I have suggested the same many times on other boards and I can tell you right now the odds of getting more than a handful of people to agree on what is the best way of going about implementing and operating such a system is nearly impossible. Who knows maybe we will be forced one day to go to a single payer system but I do not see the support for it right now. That said single payer is only One of Sanders expensive ideas, he has many more and his answer on how to pay for them is always Taxes and more Taxes, I have lived in Europe and hated paying through the nose and living in California was not much better, the rich are leaving the state in droves due to the high taxes, no I will pass on his ideas we cannot afford them. Fix the current wasteful spending instead and then get back to us on more spending ideas.
 
If the Nation could even implement such a system. I have suggested the same many times on other boards and I can tell you right now the odds of getting more than a handful of people to agree on what is the best way of going about implementing and operating such a system is nearly impossible. Who knows maybe we will be forced one day to go to a single payer system but I do not see the support for it right now. That said single payer is only One of Sanders expensive ideas, he has many more and his answer on how to pay for them is always Taxes and more Taxes, I have lived in Europe and hated paying through the nose and living in California was not much better, the rich are leaving the state in droves due to the high taxes, no I will pass on his ideas we cannot afford them. Fix the current wasteful spending instead and then get back to us on more spending ideas.

There's nothing to say we can't. Other than the Republocrat Status Quo would rather funnel our money to insurance companies and not really fix the problem at all.

There is a lot of wasteful spending, such as the military and our infinity war, but at some point we're going to have to address our problems and the problems of the People.
 
Been tried before, the Vast Majority do not want to pay more to maybe get more, we already know how "efficient" the federal government is at spending our money wisely, most of those that actually work for a living would rather keep their money themselves. That said, if one gets enough of those that would not be paying more, because they make so little, and gets them to vote someone like Sanders in to get their freebies they might be able to implement their tax and spend ideas, that is until they either drive the actual wage earners out of the market and/or bankrupt the Nation. Then you would have a real problem on your hands, it is one thing to control the pig by feeding it but the down side is if you stop feeding the pig, then the pig will eat you.

If the Nation could even implement such a system. I have suggested the same many times on other boards and I can tell you right now the odds of getting more than a handful of people to agree on what is the best way of going about implementing and operating such a system is nearly impossible. Who knows maybe we will be forced one day to go to a single payer system but I do not see the support for it right now. That said single payer is only One of Sanders expensive ideas, he has many more and his answer on how to pay for them is always Taxes and more Taxes, I have lived in Europe and hated paying through the nose and living in California was not much better, the rich are leaving the state in droves due to the high taxes, no I will pass on his ideas we cannot afford them. Fix the current wasteful spending instead and then get back to us on more spending ideas.

True, so lets not pay even more for even less. Somewhere a person has to stop and say HEY! we need to fix our budget and if that means cutting out some of the waste to get our household budget in order then that is what we need to do. What some are proposing is to keep charging on the Charge card and get deeper and deeper into debt until we end up in bankruptcy. So, no thanks, I do not want to repeat a known bad plan of action and expect a different result, I am not that crazy or stupid, and thankfully neither is America.


#1: Prove/show/provide data supporting your claim that 'wage earners' and 'those that work for a living' prefer the status quo to Sanders' plans.

#2: The mass wealth/investment exodus you're describing largely hasn't happened in developed social democracies around the world; namely because it makes no sense to abandon a lucrative market where people have money to spend.

#3: Your personal preferences are not indicative/representative of the nation.

#4: Singlepayer/UHC have repeatedly and consistently been proven successful and greatly cost-efficient all around the world and immensely more so than the status quo in the United States.

In balance, stop making baseless assertions in lieu of grounded arguments.
 
There's nothing to say we can't. Other than the Republocrat Status Quo would rather funnel our money to insurance companies and not really fix the problem at all.

There is a lot of wasteful spending, such as the military and our infinity war, but at some point we're going to have to address our problems and the problems of the People.
I agree, the problems do need to be addressed. That said, the resolution does not Start with more programs and spending, it starts with getting our current house in order. That means we need to look at all our spending, that includes money being sent to other countries, ones that are often not allies or really in need of it, then we need to look at military spending a place where Billions are wasted and always has been, and last but not least we need to look at social programs and how best to reform them so that those that need them get the help they need and those that abuse and milk the system are thrown off. Then we can look at programs to provide better and yes, more, education and look at all the options when it comes to healthcare in this Nation so that it is fair for all and everyone can receive the healthcare that they should in a country such as ours. That is a Lot of work but unless it is done we cannot truly ever Fix the broken system, now to find politicians that are willing and can get the job done. For me that leaves Bernie Sanders out of the Oval Office because he is not seriously discussing doing any of the ground work it requires to get on level ground before discussing more spending, his main objectives seem to be going after the Banking System and Installing Single Payer Healthcare, and without having done the hard work before acting on such an agenda his only answer is Tax, Tax, and more Tax, where as if the ground work is done properly Taxes may not even be an issue. While we are at it why is it Socialists do not like Flat or Consumption Taxes, something that would automatically bring in more revenue and would be fair for all? I will answer that myself, it is because raising taxes under such a system will impact everyone (as it should, we are all Citizens) and by doing so they would be exposed for tax and spend big government politicians, something Not popular in the USA.
 
#1: Prove/show/provide data supporting your claim that 'wage earners' and 'those that work for a living' prefer the status quo to Sanders' plans.

#2: The mass wealth/investment exodus you're describing largely hasn't happened in developed social democracies around the world; namely because it makes no sense to abandon a lucrative market where people have money to spend.

#3: Your personal preferences are not indicative/representative of the nation.

#4: Singlepayer/UHC have repeatedly and consistently been proven successful and greatly cost-efficient all around the world and immensely more so than the status quo in the United States.

In balance, stop making baseless assertions in lieu of grounded arguments.
The majority of people making a good living do not support Sanders. Clear enough for you?
Then maybe you can explain why the rich are moving out of California, opps.
Actually my POV is far more popular than yours, I am Middle America.
I never said I am against it, but before we can do that we need to get our house in order first.
In balance, you simply do not like someone questioning your Tax and Spend Hero, too bad, get over it.
 
The majority of people making a good living do not support Sanders. Clear enough for you?
Then maybe you can explain why the rich are moving out of California, opps.
Actually my POV is far more popular than yours, I am Middle America.
I never said I am against it, but before we can do that we need to get our house in order first.
In balance, you simply do not like someone questioning your Tax and Spend Hero, too bad, get over it.

#1: Data please; also define 'good living'.

#2: Better yet, can you explain why there's not a mass exodus of wealthy people from far more socialist leaning countries? Also would like to see the data that supports your assertion that rich people are moving out of California specifically because of higher taxes.

#3: Whether your personal views are more representative than mine of the average person is irrelevant (beyond that it is also something you haven't proven). The fact is that you personal individual opinion is absolutely not representative of America. Your views are a microcosm of a microcosm, and are far less likely to accurately reflect the popular view than even a small randomized poll of only a couple of hundred people.

#4: UHC is part of getting the US' house in order because of how prohibitively expensive the status quo is, and how much money UHC would save in the long term while offering better outcomes: An Open Letter to the Wall Street Journal on Its Bernie Sanders Hit Piece

"The Journal correctly puts the additional federal spending for health care under HR 676 (a single payer health plan) at $15 trillion over ten years. It neglects to add, however, that by spending these vast sums, we would, as a country, save nearly $5 trillion over ten years in reduced administrative waste, lower pharmaceutical and device prices, and by lowering the rate of medical inflation."

#5: No, I don't like people making baseless assertions without data or evidence; if you had proof in support of your claims, I would be far more amiable towards them.
 
For me that leaves Bernie Sanders out of the Oval Office because he is not seriously discussing doing any of the ground work it requires to get on level ground before discussing more spending, his main objectives seem to be going after the Banking System and Installing Single Payer Healthcare, and without having done the hard work before acting on such an agenda his only answer is Tax, Tax, and more Tax, where as if the ground work is done properly Taxes may not even be an issue.

Then you haven't been listening to what Sanders has consistently been proposing for years. As it relates to pharmaceuticals, the United States has been isolated by their lobby which allows them to charge us thousands of dollars for the same drug being sold for tens of dollars right across the border that we are not allowed to import. In many cases, our only options are to either remit the extortion money or suffer and/or die. Sanders has been proposing a third option for years; that we open the floodgates to importation of name-brand pharmaceuticals to force the pharmaceutical industry to compete against its own products and drive down prices. Taxation is necessary to support a proper health care system, but Sanders fully intends to take measures to drive down costs.

While we are at it why is it Socialists do not like Flat or Consumption Taxes, something that would automatically bring in more revenue and would be fair for all? I will answer that myself, it is because raising taxes under such a system will impact everyone (as it should, we are all Citizens) and by doing so they would be exposed for tax and spend big government politicians, something Not popular in the USA.

Wrong answer. The flat tax is opposed for primarily these two reasons:

1) A flat tax is only fair if everyone's income is the same. It is not fair to tax a waitress earning $2.13 per hour at the same rate as Warren Buffet who effectively earns $1.8 million per hour.

2) Flat tax proponents claim that it would result in an increase in revenue, but have never proven this. They can't for one simple reason: arithmetic. Never mind the fact that, to the best of my knowledge, no one has even come up with a rate. I don't even need to see such a proposal to know that in order to flat tax the wide range of income it would have to be extraordinarily low.
 
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