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What causes and keeps states blue or red?

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Its no secret that long before November 2016 we all know California, New York and Massachusetts are going to vote for the whoever the Democrat nominee is. Likewise, we all know Texas, Alabama and Georgia are going to vote for whoever the Republican nominee is. My questions are: why and more importantly what can be done to help voters have more of an open mind to make every state a so-called "battleground" state?

I'll answer the easiest given on what contributes to seeing states consider a party other than the one they traditionally support: interstate migration. Florida, for example, was a solid red state but because so many American from the North East and more recently Puerto Rico have relocated to The Sunshine State, its an up for grabs purple state in presidential elections. Georgia and Texas could be next.
 
Its no secret that long before November 2016 we all know California, New York and Massachusetts are going to vote for the whoever the Democrat nominee is. Likewise, we all know Texas, Alabama and Georgia are going to vote for whoever the Republican nominee is. My questions are: why and more importantly what can be done to help voters have more of an open mind to make every state a so-called "battleground" state?

I'll answer the easiest given on what contributes to seeing states consider a party other than the one they traditionally support: interstate migration. Florida, for example, was a solid red state but because so many American from the North East and more recently Puerto Rico have relocated to The Sunshine State, its an up for grabs purple state in presidential elections. Georgia and Texas could be next.

And "Abortion Barbie" Wendy Davis will be the next governor of TX. :lamo
 
The United States has been in two minds ever since the civil war. Only education will bring change.
 
Its no secret that long before November 2016 we all know California, New York and Massachusetts are going to vote for the whoever the Democrat nominee is. Likewise, we all know Texas, Alabama and Georgia are going to vote for whoever the Republican nominee is. My questions are: why and more importantly what can be done to help voters have more of an open mind to make every state a so-called "battleground" state?

I'll answer the easiest given on what contributes to seeing states consider a party other than the one they traditionally support: interstate migration. Florida, for example, was a solid red state but because so many American from the North East and more recently Puerto Rico have relocated to The Sunshine State, its an up for grabs purple state in presidential elections. Georgia and Texas could be next.
All that sounds great except for the fact that States do not Stay Blue or Red. You speak of Texas as if it is and always has been a Red State and nothing could be further from the truth, in fact Texas has been a Blue State as much as it has been a Red, same goes for many other Southern States. That said Dems in Texas would be considered to be Repubs in California and the North East. Do not be surprised to see several States swing the other direction in the next decade or so, it is the way of the world.
 
All that sounds great except for the fact that States do not Stay Blue or Red. You speak of Texas as if it is and always has been a Red State and nothing could be further from the truth, in fact Texas has been a Blue State as much as it has been a Red, same goes for many other Southern States. That said Dems in Texas would be considered to be Repubs in California and the North East. Do not be surprised to see several States swing the other direction in the next decade or so, it is the way of the world.

Democrat civil rights legislation caused a polar shift in party loyalty in racist southern Biblicist states.
 
Texas was blue for the Bil Clinton terms, was it not?
 
And "Abortion Barbie" Wendy Davis will be the next governor of TX. :lamo

Deny America's changing demographics at your own peril.
 
Its no secret that long before November 2016 we all know California, New York and Massachusetts are going to vote for the whoever the Democrat nominee is. Likewise, we all know Texas, Alabama and Georgia are going to vote for whoever the Republican nominee is. My questions are: why and more importantly what can be done to help voters have more of an open mind to make every state a so-called "battleground" state?

I'll answer the easiest given on what contributes to seeing states consider a party other than the one they traditionally support: interstate migration. Florida, for example, was a solid red state but because so many American from the North East and more recently Puerto Rico have relocated to The Sunshine State, its an up for grabs purple state in presidential elections. Georgia and Texas could be next.

It is only natural. Every country has "right wing" areas and "left wing" areas and they are based on history.

Take my own country of Denmark, and its capital of Copenhagen. Copenhagen has many districts who all all elect the Mayor of Copenhagen. This has since the first mayor in 1938 been a Social Democrat. The Social Democrats and other left wing parties have dominated the local council for 80 years, with the right having representation of course but never really being able to break the strangle hold of the left for the top spot.

However in the middle of the city of Copenhagen there is the Municipality of Fredriksberg. This place has had a right wing mayor going back to the 1850s..

Now the why is this? Well historically, the municipality of Fredriksberg was home of loyalists to the crown and their servants (hence the name.. Was King Fredrick that set up the place). These were mostly conservative of nature. Ironically, the Danish Conservative Party has nationally been in a full blown decline for the last 20 years and can barely make it into the national parliament any more, and yet here they hold the mayor seat with an iron fist.

Point is, what you seen in California, New York and so on that goes to the left, and Texas, and southern states go to the right... happens all the way down to local areas and is nothing new. It comes down to traditions, and historical aspects. Changes happen, but it takes time and is rare.

Take Texas.. use to be deep red, but now it is moving more and more to the left. Why? Are the cowboys becoming left wing? Not really... but people are moving to Texas for jobs and they vote more to the left than the right. Add to that an increase in specific population groups that historically vote to the left or at least get pissed off by the antics of the right, and you have a very slow but sure bleed that eventually will make Texas go blue instead of red. It will take decades, but if the current trend continues then it will happen.

That is why the GOP is pretty much doomed if they continue the anti-latino, anti-black, anti-non-white Christian and anti-female rhetoric... the demographic numbers are simply against them... and they know it. That is why they are gerrymandering the hell out of districts to at least maintain power at the state and local levels for as long as possible. Look at the city of Austin.. deep blue left wing, and yet all but one representative is a GOPer.. why is that?.. Gerrymandering.
 
Its no secret that long before November 2016 we all know California, New York and Massachusetts are going to vote for the whoever the Democrat nominee is. Likewise, we all know Texas, Alabama and Georgia are going to vote for whoever the Republican nominee is. My questions are: why and more importantly what can be done to help voters have more of an open mind to make every state a so-called "battleground" state?

I'll answer the easiest given on what contributes to seeing states consider a party other than the one they traditionally support: interstate migration. Florida, for example, was a solid red state but because so many American from the North East and more recently Puerto Rico have relocated to The Sunshine State, its an up for grabs purple state in presidential elections. Georgia and Texas could be next.

The best way to make all states matter (more) in a presidential election is to have proportional representation of each state's electors. Thus when the floriduh (or any state) vote gets split 51%/49% then that 49 percent's votes are not simply ignored and all of floriduh's (or any state's) electors given over to the 51 percent's choice. The current winner take all system really, really sucks.
 
Its no secret that long before November 2016 we all know California, New York and Massachusetts are going to vote for the whoever the Democrat nominee is. Likewise, we all know Texas, Alabama and Georgia are going to vote for whoever the Republican nominee is. My questions are: why and more importantly what can be done to help voters have more of an open mind to make every state a so-called "battleground" state?

I'll answer the easiest given on what contributes to seeing states consider a party other than the one they traditionally support: interstate migration. Florida, for example, was a solid red state but because so many American from the North East and more recently Puerto Rico have relocated to The Sunshine State, its an up for grabs purple state in presidential elections. Georgia and Texas could be next.

Id say:

ignorance
isolation
wanted association
up bringing
peer pressure/wanting to fit in
local socialized spreading of misinformation.
 
I suspect the main weight is the general political system and how it is marketed. The very idea of red and blue states is part of the problem. It discourages supporters of the other party to put in any great effort in campaigning or voting since the result is seen as a done deal. It also discourages any significant independents and third parties, especially at state government and state representative levels.

I suspect that unless the whole binary structure of the entire US political picture is eroded, you’ll inevitably have the all-or-nothing consequences like this. I’ve no idea how this could happen though.
 
Texas was blue for the Bil Clinton terms, was it not?

Clinton lost Texas in 92 and 96 I think. He did win Georgia in 92 however.
 
Id say:

ignorance
isolation
wanted association
up bringing
peer pressure/wanting to fit in
local socialized spreading of misinformation.

Cultural immersion is probably the top reason.
 
Some will not expect this but I'm of the opinion local television laws impact the red state/blue state dynamic. Most probably don't realize this but its illegal, under most circumstances, to watch a local TV station from a city where you don't live or aren't visiting. There are protectionist laws on the books that grant exclusive territory to most TV stations in America. If someone living in Charleston can turn their TV on and watch the 6 o'clock news from Los Angels or New York and other local programming, over time they can culturally begin to identify with New Yorkers or Los Angeleans. Transversely, if someone in Boston were allowed to tune into a TV station in Birmingham they might eventually begin to identify with Alabama culturally. Technically some of this is possible for satellite TV viewers but DirectV and DISH network can face hefty fines even if they accidentally allow someone to see a TV station from a city other than their own (with exceptions.)

As an FYI: video streamers like ROKU, Apple TV, Slingbox and Google Play make it possible to get through but its not as convenient as simply being able to flip through your channels. As a republican I'm happy to know our side does have an advantage thanks to the national popularity of conservative talk radio that has the ability to promote political perspectives into areas that might not be naturally popular in every local community. Democrats just aren't into blowhard talk radio but might be interested in seeing the news and public affairs programs from a college town where they have a student or once attended or if something big in the news happened in another city for the local perspective.
 
Its no secret that long before November 2016 we all know California, New York and Massachusetts are going to vote for the whoever the Democrat nominee is. Likewise, we all know Texas, Alabama and Georgia are going to vote for whoever the Republican nominee is. My questions are: why and more importantly what can be done to help voters have more of an open mind to make every state a so-called "battleground" state?

I'll answer the easiest given on what contributes to seeing states consider a party other than the one they traditionally support: interstate migration. Florida, for example, was a solid red state but because so many American from the North East and more recently Puerto Rico have relocated to The Sunshine State, its an up for grabs purple state in presidential elections. Georgia and Texas could be next.

A couple of things.

1. Migration. Easily the largest, and it's bigger than just immigration. Immigration does naturally factor in, with the larger immigrant populations typically going Democratic. However, migration can happen for other reasons. Take for example the shift of Virginia from Red to Purple; this is largely due to the substantial migration into the northern Virginia area primarily by people who's jobs somehow connect to the government. The massive population influx in northern Virginia has helped to tilt the state purple. Likely you're seeing a similar thing in Florida, where traditionally the elderly went Red, but your migrant elderly going into Florida are most likely from the northeast escaping the cold, and thus prone to be Blue.

2. Urbanization. As our economy continues to go more and more to a service based one, dwelling in or near the urban centers is becoming a larger deal. And urban centers tend to go blue, not red. In the short term, this is unlikely to change. However, if we're prognosticating into the future, the greater adoption of telepresence potential could perhaps cause a reversal of this as the ability to make a living without residing within an urban center could increase.

3. Group Think. With the advent of social media and the great ubiquitous nature of the internet, group think has simply became greater than before. Views and thoughts that were often thought to be too far out of the mainstream, or outside of "polite conversation", can now be shared and discussed on the regular. Minority views in the past had one feeling like an outsider, where as now it is easy to find others who share your views even if it's still no less of a minority than it was in the past. As such, there's a greater desire to homogenize one's existence. A greater desire to be separate or to stamp out the "other side" in one's life. This leads to a great gravitation to particular areas based on ideology. Many a left leaning persons given a choice between two equal jobs, one in Alabama and one in Massachusetts, may be more likely to choose the latter due to a disdain for the culture and politics in Alabama. The same likely holds true for many right leaning persons, simply in the opposite direction.

4. Continuing generations. Here's where I think things are going to be interesting over the next 20 years. What was stereotypically a concern of one generation may not be the other. While immigration issues may be of great concern to many first and second generation American latino's now, as you get to your 3rd and 4th generation ones may have shifting concerns that draw their voting attention. I think the most likely chance of seeing significant shake up in the makeup of the states voting habits will be a natural one, as demographics that typically aligned in one direction begin to have a greater amount of people becoming concerned more with issues that point them in a different direction.

Another thing that could potentially cause a significant change 20 years down the line would be if there's a gravitation towards the middle of the country due to cheap land and/or some kind of boom. If access to some of the infrastructure that helped fortify the coasts is made even less important by technology, then companies and the government may begin to see value in relocating resources into "cheaper" areas of the country. If this happens, it could impact things in a multitude of ways. In one scenario, an influx of blue state thinking could be transported into the red state middle of America and swing them purple. Alternatively, another scenario would be that the population shift would be enough to increase the electoral value of many of those middle America states while reducing the value of some of the traditional power houses on the coasts, causing little change in what states are blue and red but causing a significant change in the electoral situation.
 
IMO. Education. Particularly higher education. A well educated population tends to be successful in all facets and blue.
 
IMO. Education. Particularly higher education. A well educated population tends to be successful in all facets and blue.

I do notice states with top universities tend to be blue. Even in Texas, Austin the home of UT, is the blue dot in the middle of a red state.
 
California voted for the Republican nominee in four straight election years 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988
 
In my area, it is a cohesive ideological grouping that has substantially limited the growth of liberalism mixed with utter incompetence. At best, our "liberals" are incredibly blue dog to the core.

This would be a pretty good setup if you had a vibrant Party. But we don't. The Democratic Party that has been, for all intents and purposes, dead since the late 1980s and early 1990s. The party became utterly dead weight. Most candidates that are brought to the forefront are clearly sacrificial lambs, getting 30-45% of the votes at most. Much of the time they struggle to find candidates to run, sometimes allowing offices to run unopposed. Those that are in office tend to be really bad politicians. I mean, really bad. You've got some bright lights there, but most of the time, you really don't. It's never a good thing if one of your potential heavy hitters are becoming disdained by your dwindling membership for trying to act like Cicero, when they've got none of the talent and haven't a point to raise in their monologue on the state legislative floor.

So what happens is, if a Democrat comes up with a good idea, the Republicans vote the proposal down and then copy a good 80-90% (or more) of it, and pass their near-carbon copy. They just take credit for it and the Democrat gets nothing.

I have a pretty low opinion of my state legislature and some of the characters found within, but even with some of the more egregious Republicans to behold, you just look at the Democrats like they are just lost in the woods and couldn't be trusted to do much of anything if you gave them all of the ammunition in the world to push an agenda forward.

So while a liberally-minded person could argue that you want a few good, smart Democrats on your side if you're trying to influence or lobby certain pieces of legislation, your first thought is, "I need moderate Republican support." You don't think about the Democrats being your first stop unless you want to fail quickly. A Democrat-led bill will sink fast. If the agenda item needs to be convincing, you must make it look like a Republican-sponsored bill. Sure, go to the Democrat if they have the incredibly good fortune of being chair of a committee, but you can't make the mistake of getting comfy with Democrats and only trying to court some Republicans.

This is why the Democratic Party in my state is dead. They are a hindrance to any moderate or liberal than an ally.
 
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Its no secret that long before November 2016 we all know California, New York and Massachusetts are going to vote for the whoever the Democrat nominee is. Likewise, we all know Texas, Alabama and Georgia are going to vote for whoever the Republican nominee is. My questions are: why and more importantly what can be done to help voters have more of an open mind to make every state a so-called "battleground" state?

I'll answer the easiest given on what contributes to seeing states consider a party other than the one they traditionally support: interstate migration. Florida, for example, was a solid red state but because so many American from the North East and more recently Puerto Rico have relocated to The Sunshine State, its an up for grabs purple state in presidential elections. Georgia and Texas could be next.

Large cities generally tend to lean left. Small cities, town and rural areas tend to lean right. I don't think any state is fundamentally blue or red. It is just a function of how large the cities are and that affects the average. As an example, I live in a red state but the city I am near is definitely blue. It has elected democrat mayors, congressional reps, district attorneys etc for a long, long long time. The only republican congressman I can remember had only a single term.
 
More religious states tend to be Republican while less religious states tend to be Democrat. The only exceptions tend to be states that are mostly rural which tend to be Republican regardless of how religious the state tends to be (other than Vermont).

Also, younger more diverse populations tend to be liberal while older more homogeneous populations tend to be conservative.
 
Democrat civil rights legislation caused a polar shift in party loyalty in racist southern Biblicist states.

The Democrats FILIBUSTERED the 1964 Civil Rights Act and was the party that introduced the world to Jim Crowe

If youre not going to take the time or effort to learn about my Counties History then kindly not comment on issues that you know nothing about.

Or continue to comment and show your ignorance. No skin off my nose
 
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