I have a theory on Donald Trump

danarhea said:

Not long ago, Donald Trump attended Chelsea Clinton's birthday party. Not long ago, Donald Trump was accepting contributions from Democrats. A while back, Donald Trump identified as a Democrat.

Now he is running as a Republican, and saying things so outrageous that almost all the other Republicans are calling him to the carpet over those statements. Yet Donald Trump still has a huge lead, and it doesn't look like that lead will be evaporating any time soon. Also, Donald Trump has taken his promise of not running as an independent off the table. He says that is because other Republicans have unfairly attacked him, thus violating the agreement he made with them.

Add it all up, and it comes to this. Donald Trump is a Democratic plant, whose mission is to destroy the Republican party as it now exists. I think he is doing a pretty good job of it too.

What say you?

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Not a terrible theory, and you are not the first to question Trump along these lines. I would think that anyone that really looks at the Political Science of what is happening for this 2016 campaign would draw some interesting conclusions like this.

On one hand the idea has merit, as Trump has seemingly amplified an existing problem within the party we had hints of back during the fallout from the 2012 losses. Namely, the Growth and Opportunity Project once establishment Republicans started to see the trends among minorities and other political groups of significance. The release of that plan showed the split within the party... arguably between younger, educated, urban, probably Northeastern, "RINOs," and moderate Republicans... vs. the older, less educated, rural, Southeastern, social conservative Republican. I would argue that Trump has amplified that divide with a level of xenophobia and honestly racism that we have not seen in the political spectrum in decades. If the idea was to plan someone that could do that, and terminate with a completely unelectable Republican in a general election then Trump succeeded.

On the other hand, we are talking about one hell of an expensive Democratic plant. In that scenario it is unlikely that Trump would have agreed to this sort of thing, and then also agree to do so entirely on his own dime. So follow the money (assuming we can) else this all ends up as conspiracy level thinking.

It seems to me that Trump is simply a very wealthy narcissistic bored older man looking to move his celebrity relevance to the political arena. Running as a Democrat does not make much sense for Trump in our post class warfare, hit the rich with "pay your fair share," post we are the 99%, post social lack of cohesion climate. However, running as a Republican makes very much sense as all it took was tapping into the same divisions within the Republican Party that the 2012 (and arguably the 2008) campaign seasons put forth. In that case he has equally succeeded in convincing enough of the party to view his xenophobia and racism as ideal.

Our real problem is no matter if Trump is an expensive Democratic plant, or a sincere racist just his presence in this campaign has forced conditions to become so ugly as he is now a source of danger to this nation. Not just politically here at home, but on the world stage he is becoming a recruitment tool for groups hell-bent on harming us. Ironically, Trump represents more "isolationism" by action and rhetoric than any Libertarian known to man. And anyone in the military should be terrified of a lunatic like Trump being President, they will be stretched to even new limits and put in harms way quicker than being under Bush 43.

danarhea said:

Not long ago, Donald Trump attended Chelsea Clinton's birthday party. Not long ago, Donald Trump was accepting contributions from Democrats. A while back, Donald Trump identified as a Democrat.

Now he is running as a Republican, and saying things so outrageous that almost all the other Republicans are calling him to the carpet over those statements. Yet Donald Trump still has a huge lead, and it doesn't look like that lead will be evaporating any time soon. Also, Donald Trump has taken his promise of not running as an independent off the table. He says that is because other Republicans have unfairly attacked him, thus violating the agreement he made with them.

Add it all up, and it comes to this. Donald Trump is a Democratic plant, whose mission is to destroy the Republican party as it now exists. I think he is doing a pretty good job of it too.

What say you?

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I don't think he's a 'plant', but I've been saying he's working for the Clintons for months. IMO He's doing it on his own.

Anyway I really don't believe it, but damn it sure looks that way. It looks like he's doing all he can to alienate certain demographics on behalf of the Clinton's.

truthatallcost said:

If the GOP really has learned its lesson, then Jeb needs to drop out now. He's polling at 4% in Iowa, every other candidate with numbers that low has dropped out.

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he IS the GOP's guy, tarnished surname and all
just as hillary is the Demo machine's candidate, despite her extensive baggage and that no one can identify one significant action she has undertaken during her public service
the monied interests of each party have placed their bets behind these two

danarhea said:

Not long ago, Donald Trump attended Chelsea Clinton's birthday party. Not long ago, Donald Trump was accepting contributions from Democrats. A while back, Donald Trump identified as a Democrat.

Now he is running as a Republican, and saying things so outrageous that almost all the other Republicans are calling him to the carpet over those statements. Yet Donald Trump still has a huge lead, and it doesn't look like that lead will be evaporating any time soon. Also, Donald Trump has taken his promise of not running as an independent off the table. He says that is because other Republicans have unfairly attacked him, thus violating the agreement he made with them.

Add it all up, and it comes to this. Donald Trump is a Democratic plant, whose mission is to destroy the Republican party as it now exists. I think he is doing a pretty good job of it too.

What say you?

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I think there is a forum for conspiracy theories.

danarhea said:

Donald Trump is a Democratic plant, whose mission is to destroy the Republican party as it now exists. I think he is doing a pretty good job of it too.

What say you?

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Does that explain why Republican voters are cheering him on, and keeping him at the top of the polls? How curious.

Try as you might, you cannot fob responsibility for Trump onto anyone other than himself, and the voters who support him.

jamesrage said:

Seems plausible.Trump is a RINO. I have been theorizing that the media will start to slam Trump heavily should he win the primary.

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Uh... Have you not noticed that the media has blasted him constantly for years?

All the birther nonsense, eminent domain abuse, more emphasis on his donations to liberal democrat candidates, his flip flops and anything else they can throw at him to help Clinton win.

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The media has pointed this out for months, plus bashing him on various inaccuracies, misrepresentations, errors and outright lies. It has no effect.

Plus, in case you missed it: The only way he could last this long is by attracting voter attention. The media does not control the Republican primaries; if his poll numbers were in the single digits, they'd be ignoring him, just like they ignore Santorum (who is often equally inflammatory in his speeches).

The bottom line is that Trump is saying what a small and noisy part of the Republican voters want to hear. Don't try to pin his crap on anyone other than Trump & his supporters.

Visbek said:

Uh... Have you not noticed that the media has blasted him constantly for years?



The media has pointed this out for months, plus bashing him on various inaccuracies, misrepresentations, errors and outright lies. It has no effect.

Plus, in case you missed it: The only way he could last this long is by attracting voter attention. The media does not control the Republican primaries; if his poll numbers were in the single digits, they'd be ignoring him, just like they ignore Santorum (who is often equally inflammatory in his speeches).

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The media does have influence on the voters.They can paint a candidate as a dumbass by having an actor portraying a candidate claiming to see Russia from their house or some other **** they didn't say. They can do a lot of negative or positive stories to promote or demonize as candidate.They can have the candidate on talk shows and comedy shows ensuring that candidate gets name recognition. Or they can simply ignore a candidate ensuring that candidate gets no publicity.

The bottom line is that Trump is saying what a small and noisy part of the Republican voters want to hear. Don't try to pin his crap on anyone other than Trump & his supporters.

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This is completely the fault of the media.By claiming that Trump was talking about Mexicans coming into the US instead of just those who are here illegally they painted Trump as a big time illegal immigration opponent to people who are sick and tired of anti-American politicians and media sucking the testicles of the pro-illegal alien lobby. Had the media not said **** about his comments regarding illegal immigration and tried to demonize him for it then Trump would not be in the lead right now. Either the media is filled with dumb asses who thought all of America didn't care about their sovereignty and sucked the testicles of the pro-illegals and the pro-illegal alien lobby like the media does or they knew what they were doing by falsely accusing trump of trying to smear all Mexicans coming into the US.

jamesrage said:

Seems plausible.Trump is a RINO. I have been theorizing that the media will start to slam Trump heavily should he win the primary.All the birther nonsense, eminent domain abuse, more emphasis on his donations to liberal democrat candidates, his flip flops and anything else they can throw at him to help Clinton win. RINOs are consolation prize candidates to the liberal media.Meaning they want a liberal democrat but will settle for a republican liberal should the democrat lose. Which is why Saturday night live kissed his ass, why the media is taking it easy on him and are constantly talking about him.He is basically sucking the oxygen out of the room from candidates who are actually conservative.

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These seems totally more plausible than Hillary and Trump agreeing 1v1 to screw over Republicans. That's too simple. It must be a conspiracy with thousand of little factors that could go wrong and derail the whole thing for everyone. I mean, it's not like careers would be lost if that were ever to be the case.

danarhea said:

Not long ago, Donald Trump attended Chelsea Clinton's birthday party. Not long ago, Donald Trump was accepting contributions from Democrats. A while back, Donald Trump identified as a Democrat.

Now he is running as a Republican, and saying things so outrageous that almost all the other Republicans are calling him to the carpet over those statements. Yet Donald Trump still has a huge lead, and it doesn't look like that lead will be evaporating any time soon. Also, Donald Trump has taken his promise of not running as an independent off the table. He says that is because other Republicans have unfairly attacked him, thus violating the agreement he made with them.

Add it all up, and it comes to this. Donald Trump is a Democratic plant, whose mission is to destroy the Republican party as it now exists. I think he is doing a pretty good job of it too.

What say you?

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He also invited Hillary to his wedding. Yes, it's in the realm of possibility....but only slightly. Trump learned early on (2010) that by becoming a Birther he gained credibility among republicans and saw all that hate and bigotry as an opportunity. Now he taking the republican campaign handbook aka the 'southern strategy' to new levels and winning. But, that isn't the only strategy the Donald is using....he's also using his personality....which is something all the other candidates, however qualified seem to be severely lacking...



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality


And that's what makes him so dangerous.

Moot said:

He also invited Hillary to his wedding. Yes, it's in the realm of possibility....but only slightly. Trump learned early on (2010) that by becoming a Birther he gained credibility among republicans and saw all that hate and bigotry as an opportunity. Now he taking the republican campaign handbook aka the 'southern strategy' to new levels and winning. But, that isn't the only strategy the Donald is using....he's also using his personality....which is something all the other candidates, however qualified seem to be severely lacking...

"...A cult of personality arises when an individual uses mass media, propaganda, or other methods, to create an idealized, heroic, and at times, worshipful image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise....

Personality cults were first described in relation to totalitarian regimes that sought to alter or transform society according to radical ideas.[4] Often, a single leader became associated with this revolutionary transformation, and came to be treated as a benevolent "guide" for the nation without whom the transformation to a better future could not occur. This has been generally the justification for personality cults that arose in totalitarian societies of the 20th century, such as those of Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Kim Il Sung, and Ruhollah Khomeini...."​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality


And that's what makes him so dangerous.

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I don't think Trump is dangerous.

Even Nixon caved in to the Senate and the House eventually. It did not even get to the point of the JCS or the American Militia.

jamesrage said:

The media does have influence on the voters.They can paint a candidate as a dumbass by having an actor portraying a candidate claiming to see Russia from their house or some other **** they didn't say. They can do a lot of negative or positive stories to promote or demonize as candidate.They can have the candidate on talk shows and comedy shows ensuring that candidate gets name recognition. Or they can simply ignore a candidate ensuring that candidate gets no publicity.


This is completely the fault of the media.By claiming that Trump was talking about Mexicans coming into the US instead of just those who are here illegally they painted Trump as a big time illegal immigration opponent to people who are sick and tired of anti-American politicians and media sucking the testicles of the pro-illegal alien lobby. Had the media not said **** about his comments regarding illegal immigration and tried to demonize him for it then Trump would not be in the lead right now. Either the media is filled with dumb asses who thought all of America didn't care about their sovereignty and sucked the testicles of the pro-illegals and the pro-illegal alien lobby like the media does or they knew what they were doing by falsely accusing trump of trying to smear all Mexicans coming into the US.

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The Media DO indeed have influence -- through verbosity and ad hominem.

But so far Mr. Trump is Teflon same as was Reagan.

[Media -- plural.

Medium -- singular.

Data -- plural.

Datum -- singular.]

jamesrage said:

The media does have influence on the voters.They can paint a candidate as a dumbass by having an actor portraying a candidate claiming to see Russia from their house or some other **** they didn't say.

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Please. Palin buried herself long before SNL started making fun of her.

They can do a lot of negative or positive stories to promote or demonize as candidate.They can have the candidate on talk shows and comedy shows ensuring that candidate gets name recognition. Or they can simply ignore a candidate ensuring that candidate gets no publicity.

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I agree, but only to a degree.

They choose whom to give air time, they can report on various things, they can present opinions, but they can't ignore a popular candidate.

They certainly are not putting words into Trump's mouth.

This is completely the fault of the media.By claiming that Trump was talking about Mexicans coming into the US instead of just those who are here illegally they painted Trump as a big time illegal immigration opponent to people who are sick and tired of anti-American politicians and media sucking the testicles of the pro-illegal alien lobby.

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Please.

His statements were public, and the media did not twist them into anything other than what they were. After his campaign launch, he had plenty of unfiltered time on the media, at which he demanded to know "Who's doing the raping?" He has been crowing for weeks about his poll numbers.

Plus, we have had months of Trump mouthing off, including on his own Twitter account. The idea that he has a big following because some media outlets mischaracterized what he said in August is ridiculous.

Trump is for real, he's just rocking the boat of status quo.... be afraid, be very afraid.

Riveroaks said:

I don't think Trump is dangerous.

Even Nixon caved in to the Senate and the House eventually. It did not even get to the point of the JCS or the American Militia.

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Yeah, Trump is dangerous (sarcasm )mean while Obama lighting fire to the ME is somehow "playing it safe" Barry is like a "bull in a China shop" when it comes to geopolitics, but somehow I'm supposed to be worried about Trump.

Visbek said:

Please. Palin buried herself long before SNL started making fun of her.



I agree, but only to a degree.

They choose whom to give air time, they can report on various things, they can present opinions, but they can't ignore a popular candidate.

They certainly are not putting words into Trump's mouth.



Please.

His statements were public, and the media did not twist them into anything other than what they were. After his campaign launch, he had plenty of unfiltered time on the media, at which he demanded to know "Who's doing the raping?" He has been crowing for weeks about his poll numbers.

Plus, we have had months of Trump mouthing off, including on his own Twitter account. The idea that he has a big following because some media outlets mischaracterized what he said in August is ridiculous.

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Keep telling yourself that.If it wasn't for the media blasting Trump for his comments regarding illegal immigrants then no one would be talking about Trump.

Riveroaks said:

The Media DO indeed have influence -- through verbosity and ad hominem.

But so far Mr. Trump is Teflon same as was Reagan.

[Media -- plural.

Medium -- singular.

Data -- plural.

Datum -- singular.]

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Either the media is filled with dumb asses who thought all of America didn't care about their sovereignty and sucked the testicles of the pro-illegals and the pro-illegal alien lobby like the media does or they knew what they were doing by falsely accusing trump of trying to smear all Mexicans coming into the US and therefore manipulated people into supporting Trump. Trump is a RINO.Trump is RINO with massive name recognition.To the media a republican liberal is better than no liberal at all.So should their attempt to squash him once he wins the primary fails the media will be interviewing little old ladies and poor people who lost their property due to eminent domain abuse that Trump supports, they will be showing the birthers to paint Trump as nuts for supporting the birther nonsense and they will rachet up anything else they can to try to make sure Clinton wins.

jamesrage said:

Either the media is filled with dumb asses who thought all of America didn't care about their sovereignty and sucked the testicles of the pro-illegals and the pro-illegal alien lobby like the media does or they knew what they were doing by falsely accusing trump of trying to smear all Mexicans coming into the US and therefore manipulated people into supporting Trump.

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lol.... Don't let your rage get in the way of the facts.

No one is filtering Trump. Half the crap that he gets called on is posted by him (or "staffers," when he gets dinged for it) on his own Twitter account.

Trump is a RINO.

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Funny thing about that -- the media spent lots of time in August pointing that out. His supporters do not care.

They don't care that he has flipped on a dozen issues, that he has bribed politicians from both sides of the aisle, that he has zero loyalty to the Republican party. They don't care that he is a bully, who dishes out tons of abuse but cannot abide by the slightest criticism.

What they care about is that he hates Mexicans, Muslims, immigrants and ISIL. They care that he's a narcissistic self-aggrandizing blowhard. They care that he is offering 4th-grade solutions to PhD-level problems.

By the way, I noticed that Breitbart ran a short article, quoting Fox News' Shepard Smith blasting Trump. I think you'd find the comments section enlightening, as almost everyone is ripping apart Smith and Fox, talking about boycotting Fox, screeching about Megyn Kelly, putting the hate on O'Reilly, and basically taking Trump's side. Are all those commenters sock puppets, hired by the MSM to troll Breitbart readers?

Face it, dude. Trump is a conservative **** show. He's their mess, not anyone else's.

Check this out....

Bush suggests Trump dealing to help Clinton win | TheHill

danarhea said:

Check this out....

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Yes, Jeb! must have some secret inside knowledge about Trump conspiring with Hillary to trash the Republican party. :roll:

If Trump is genuinely not reflecting Republican views, then it's up to the Republicans (candidates, elected officials, party leaders, voters, whatever) to kick him to the curb. Blaming his campaign on Democrats is not going to get rid of him.

danarhea said:

Not long ago, Donald Trump attended Chelsea Clinton's birthday party. Not long ago, Donald Trump was accepting contributions from Democrats. A while back, Donald Trump identified as a Democrat.

Now he is running as a Republican, and saying things so outrageous that almost all the other Republicans are calling him to the carpet over those statements. Yet Donald Trump still has a huge lead, and it doesn't look like that lead will be evaporating any time soon. Also, Donald Trump has taken his promise of not running as an independent off the table. He says that is because other Republicans have unfairly attacked him, thus violating the agreement he made with them.

Add it all up, and it comes to this. Donald Trump is a Democratic plant, whose mission is to destroy the Republican party as it now exists. I think he is doing a pretty good job of it too.

What say you?

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There are a lot of plausible conspiracy theories surrounding this guy.

1)He's a Democrat plant
2)He's a Republican plant, so once he leaves he makes whatever Republicans are left standing look good by comparison
3)He's promoting his new reality show
4)He's driving up book sales
5)My conspiracy theory du jour: his presidential run is the reality show. Whereas before if you didn't like his show or network you could easily tune it out, you cannot tune this out if you ever follow the news to even the smallest degree. It's like turning on the tv and it's The Apprentice reruns all day. On every channel.

Cardinal said:

There are a lot of plausible conspiracy theories surrounding this guy.

1)He's a Democrat plant
2)He's a Republican plant, so once he leaves he makes whatever Republicans are left standing look good by comparison
3)He's promoting his new reality show
4)He's driving up book sales
5)My conspiracy theory du jour: his presidential run is the reality show. Whereas before if you didn't like his show or network you could easily tune it out, you cannot tune this out if you ever follow the news to even the smallest degree. It's like turning on the tv and it's The Apprentice reruns all day. On every channel.

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Well, if your conspiracy theory about this being The Apprentice is true, I am absolutely going to love the episode where the American people say "Donald Trump, you are fired". LOL.

danarhea said:

Not long ago, Donald Trump attended Chelsea Clinton's birthday party. Not long ago, Donald Trump was accepting contributions from Democrats. A while back, Donald Trump identified as a Democrat.

Now he is running as a Republican, and saying things so outrageous that almost all the other Republicans are calling him to the carpet over those statements. Yet Donald Trump still has a huge lead, and it doesn't look like that lead will be evaporating any time soon. Also, Donald Trump has taken his promise of not running as an independent off the table. He says that is because other Republicans have unfairly attacked him, thus violating the agreement he made with them.

Add it all up, and it comes to this. Donald Trump is a Democratic plant, whose mission is to destroy the Republican party as it now exists. I think he is doing a pretty good job of it too.

What say you?

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l have actually been speculating along similar lines for some time now. Thanks for a great thread, Dan!

Something is going on here, for sure. The man simply cannot win - something these Trump bots simply don't get.

Not to get off the thread subject, but here is an excellent summary of the Trump situation, posted after the first GOP debate:

Luke Skywalker said:

l have actually been speculating along similar lines for some time now. Thanks for a great thread, Dan!

Something is going on here, for sure. The man simply cannot win - something these Trump bots simply don't get.

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Trump is the Pied Piper. He has his right wing bots singing the "Kars 4 Kids" tune 24/7 .

danarhea said:

Donald Trump is a Democratic plant?

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a democratic plant?

He must be this one, if so.




I mean, after all -- he's really just a little dick when it gets down to it, and most people can't stomach him.