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Kasich proposes Government Agency to promote Christianity.

John Kasich Calls For New Agency To Promote '''Judeo-Christian''' Values To The World

The Ohio governor says he would create the new agency to promote the values of human rights, democracy and the freedoms of speech, religion and association. Kasich says the information would be distributed in the Middle East, China, Iran and Russia, to compete with the propaganda and misinformation purveyed by Islamic militants.
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And, here I thought, George Bush was the dumbest schmuck the GOP had to offer.
 
joG said:
I certainly wish that the candidates would read the Constitution.
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The problem is he would have made a reasonable statement:
he told NBC News in a subsequent interview. "We need to beam messages around the world about what it means to have a Western ethic, to be part of a Judeo-Christian society. It means freedom, it means opportunity..."
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had he left the "Judea-Christian society" part out of it.
 
Irony... that "Judeo-Christian society" means "freedom and opportunity." History sure teaches us a very different lesson on that.
 
calamity said:
The problem is he would have made a reasonable statement:


had he left the "Judea-Christian society" part out of it.
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True. It is a dog whistle for Progressives at HuffPo, and AP so they can run headlines that miss the point.
 
calamity said:
The problem is he would have made a reasonable statement:


had he left the "Judea-Christian society" part out of it.
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I would read the Constitution differently. While we should be explaining much more than we do, why ethics and the organization of societies as democracy are more efficient and beneficial to the populations that rule themselves thus, it is not viable for the United States Congress to make laws that have influence on religious practice and beliefs.
 
MaggieD said:
What is your problem?

Apparently you've never heard of propaganda?? Since when is countering radical Islam with alternative information being a schmuck?
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I think that it would depend on the frame used. Congress is not allowed to take sides on religious matters. One might argue that it was okay outside of the US, but even then it would probably impact American citizens and not improbably citizens in the US. And I think that allowing the precedent of our government to break the Constitution is not a good idea even in just cause.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Irony... that "Judeo-Christian society" means "freedom and opportunity." History sure teaches us a very different lesson on that.
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Is that blasphemy? The bible dictates that you be put to death.

Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.
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Leviticus 24:13-16
 
cpwill said:
That's interesting. You consider " the values of human rights, democracy and the freedoms of speech, religion, and association" to be "Christianity"?
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You seriously don't get it?
'Judeo-Christian' Values To The World
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We do not need to spread it under the"christianity" shroud.
 
cpwill said:
That's interesting. You consider " the values of human rights, democracy and the freedoms of speech, religion, and association" to be "Christianity"?
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He said this:
"We need to beam messages around the world about what it means to have a Western ethic, to be part of a Judeo-Christian society. It means freedom, it means opportunity..."

To match what you are selling, he should have said this:
"We need to beam messages around the world about what it means to have a Western ethic, to be part of a society which celebrates religious freedom and choice. It means freedom, it means opportunity..."

Had he said that, I would have cheered his remarks. You too it seems, since you had to twist his words to suit your ideals.
 
ocean515 said:
True. It is a dog whistle for Progressives at HuffPo, and AP so they can run headlines that miss the point.
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He blew the dog whistle. He should have left the Judaeo Christian crap out of it and said we are a society that values freedom of choice in religion.
 
calamity said:
He blew the dog whistle. He should have left the Judaeo Christian crap out of it and said we are a society that values freedom of choice in religion.
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I believe that is what he said. The dog whistle is focusing on two words, rather than the message.
 
ocean515 said:
I believe that is what he said. The dog whistle is focusing on two words, rather than the message.
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Then he should have excluded the use of those two words. Not doing so was stupid. Hence my thread title.
 
ocean515 said:
I don't think you need to prove the dog whistle is effective to the litter.
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Quaint of you to ignore the two words which clearly violate the constitution. How "conservative" of you.
 
calamity said:
Quaint of you to ignore the two words which clearly violate the constitution. How "conservative" of you.
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So Kasich's constitutionally protected use of two words in comments he made are a violation of the constitution? That's certainly an interesting take. No wonder the dog whistles are so effective.
 
ocean515 said:
So Kasich's constitutionally protected use of two words in comments he made are a violation of the constitution? That's certainly an interesting take. No wonder the dog whistles are so effective.
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No. His wanting a government agency to promote Judaeo Christian values is unconstitutional. It helps if you read what was said and put forth a better effort to keep up with the conversation.
 
calamity said:
No. His wanting a government agency to promote Judaeo Christian values is unconstitutional. It helps if you read what was said and put forth a better effort to keep up with the conversation.
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LOL. I think not.

I guess any President who has sworn an oath of office by placing their hand on a Bible has violated the Constitution. Geeze, that could mean President Obama has never been a legitimate President.

Perhaps it would help if you put forth a better effort to keep up with reality it would help the conversation.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL. I think not.

I guess any President who has sworn an oath of office by placing their hand on a Bible has violated the Constitution. Geeze, that could mean President Obama has never been a legitimate President.

Perhaps it would help if you put forth a better effort to keep up with reality it would help the conversation.
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A government funded agency to promote Judaeo Christian belief is a direct violation of:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]
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Swearing on a bible, not so much.
 
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