• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Republicans’ xenophobic bidding war

TheDemSocialist

Gradualist
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 13, 2011
Messages
34,951
Reaction score
16,311
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Socialist
The attacks in Paris have inspired a xenophobic bidding war among Republican presidential candidates.
Gov. Bobby Jindal on Monday signed an order trying to get his state of Louisiana to block the settlement of any Syrian refugee, while Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor, proposed we “wake up and smell the falafel” and said House Speaker Paul Ryan should resign if he can’t block the refugees’ arrival. Candidates Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul andJohn Kasich also joined the jingoistic bid to block Syrian refugees.


This growing cry to turn away people fleeing for their lives brings to mind the SS St. Louis, the ship of Jewish refugees turned away from Florida in 1939. It’s perhaps the ugliest moment in a primary fight that has been sullied by bigotry from the start. It’s no exaggeration to call this un-American.
Or un-Christian. Among those distressed by the latest turn in the GOP primary is the National Association of Evangelicals. “We’re saddened and shocked about what happened in Paris,” said Matthew Soerens, spokesman for World Relief, the evangelical association’s humanitarian arm. “But we don’t think the response should be to close our doors to closely vetted people coming from Syria.”


Soerens argued that:
●Rather than Trump’s male-heavy flood of 250,000 coming to the United States, only 2,200 Syrians have been admitted in the past four years (10,000 are expected over the next year) and 70 percent have been either women or children under age 14.
●The situation here is “entirely different” from Europe, where Syrian refugees are flooding across borders. Here, an ocean away from the conflict, they aren’t admitted until they are vetted for at least 18 months.
●No terrorist incident has ever been traced to somebody admitted through the American refugee resettlement program.
●A plurality of refugees admitted to the United States from all destinations are Christian. A disproportionate number of refugees from Iraq admitted to the United States have been Christian. And while most — but not all — of the Syrian refugees so far are Muslim, this makes sense because “it’s a mostly Muslim country and most of the victims are Muslim.”


Read more @: Republicans’ xenophobic bidding war

The recent announcements from Republican governors wanting to block refugees from settling in their states (even though they cannot constitutionally block the federal government from settling refugees in their states) is cowardly, and the recent calls and comments from many of the Republican presidential candidates is xenophobia and pure fear mongering, and many Americans are unfortunately eating it up.
 
The recent announcements from Republican governors wanting to block refugees from settling in their states (even though they cannot constitutionally block the federal government from settling refugees in their states) is cowardly, and the recent calls and comments from many of the Republican presidential candidates is xenophobia and pure fear mongering, and many Americans are unfortunately eating it up. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Why do you suppose democratic governor Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire wants to stop the refugees from immigrating here? Pure xenophobia?
 
Read more @: Republicans’ xenophobic bidding war

The recent announcements from Republican governors wanting to block refugees from settling in their states (even though they cannot constitutionally block the federal government from settling refugees in their states) is cowardly, and the recent calls and comments from many of the Republican presidential candidates is xenophobia and pure fear mongering, and many Americans are unfortunately eating it up. [/FONT][/COLOR]

How many illegals you taking in?
 
Less than 25% are Syrian who have passed through a safe country.
What is your definition of a "safe country"?
Also, doesnt this also have to play into the idea of our stringent refugee application process?
""Before a refugee even faces U.S. vetting, he or she must first clear an eligibility hurdle. The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees — or occasionally a U.S. embassy or another NGO — determines which refugees (about 1 percent) should be resettled through its own process, which can take four to 10 months.

As we noted in a previous fact-check, once a case is referred from the UNHCR to the United States, a refugee undergoes a security clearance check that could take several rounds, an in-person interview, approval by the Department of Homeland Security, medical screening, a match with a sponsor agency, "cultural orientation" classes, and one final security clearance. This all happens before a refugee ever gets onto American soil...

So how long does it take? Worldwide, about a year to 18 months, according to a State Department fact-sheet cited by the Bush campaign. A different page on the State Department website estimates an average time of 18 to 24 months.

For refugees from Syria and similar countries, however, the process can span two years, a spokesperson for the State Department told the Voice of America in September. Experts confirmed that two years is the average review duration for Syrian refugees, which means that some wait even longer" http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...sh-it-takes-almost-year-refugee-be-processed/

THEY ARE ILLEGAL.
Again, refugees are not "illegals". They aren't illegal immigrants under international law, nor are they under US law.

No one asked them to come.
Sure they did.
esktg4.png
 
Turkey is safe
Greece
Macedonia
Serbia
Hungary
Slovenia
Austria


All safe.


Still only 25% are actually Syrian... against ignore facts.
 
'Scuse you - I worked for immigration for a while after I retired from active duty, and those who are deemed refugees are NOT illegal.

Almost anyone that is in poverty qualifies for refugee status according to EU rules.
 
Read more @: Republicans’ xenophobic bidding war

The recent announcements from Republican governors wanting to block refugees from settling in their states (even though they cannot constitutionally block the federal government from settling refugees in their states) is cowardly, and the recent calls and comments from many of the Republican presidential candidates is xenophobia and pure fear mongering, and many Americans are unfortunately eating it up. [/FONT][/COLOR]

:yawn:

Meanwhile, Democrat candidates all urged President Obama to increase the incoming hordes of Jihadists in their ongoing campaign to destroy western civilization, persecute Christianity, and force Americans to live under Shariah Law.......




.....Because that headline would be pretty much the equivalent of this idiotic smear piece. I'm not clicking on the link but - blog at Think Progress?
 
We should put the Syrian refugees up at the white house. The president has no right to import possible terrorists into the country. I understand he feels sorry for the refugees but his responsibility is to protect America and Americans. If he wants to help and that is perfectly fine, he should help relocate them in the middle east where these people have cultural and language ties.
 
Read more @: Republicans’ xenophobic bidding war

The recent announcements from Republican governors wanting to block refugees from settling in their states (even though they cannot constitutionally block the federal government from settling refugees in their states) is cowardly, and the recent calls and comments from many of the Republican presidential candidates is xenophobia and pure fear mongering, and many Americans are unfortunately eating it up. [/FONT][/COLOR]




**** that PC noise. if I handed you a 100 skittles and told you two may kill you due to poison, how many would you want to feed yourself and the kids around you? Has nothing to do with "xenophobia", "islamophobia", or "cowardice". It has to do with the logic of accepting refugees who aren't vetted, mostly men, and from an area where islamic fascists have stated they will send people who want to kill you from.


What the "World" and your UN should do is pressure the middle east countries to take more of these refugees. Start with Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
 
Read more @: Republicans’ xenophobic bidding war

The recent announcements from Republican governors wanting to block refugees from settling in their states (even though they cannot constitutionally block the federal government from settling refugees in their states) is cowardly, and the recent calls and comments from many of the Republican presidential candidates is xenophobia and pure fear mongering, and many Americans are unfortunately eating it up. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Lol, it's amusing how the simple definitions of commonly used words escape most libs. Xenophobia, for instance. :roll:
 
Too bad you haven't got a clue that alienating the million or so Muslims in America makes it a heck of a lot easier for ISIS to recruit people here to take even more American lives.
I realize that's the parroted talking point du jour, but it's utter bull****. Do you really believe peaceful Muslims are incapable of understanding the concern? I guess libs must consider them too stupid to comprehend this concept. Similar to how they treat other ethnic minorities.
 
I'm not concerned with EU rules - I'm concerned with American rules.


In light of the DHS issuing a statement that they are unable to adequately vet the refugees, https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Chairman_McCaul_Syrian_Refugees-to-the-US.pdf I think the governors' refusals are within bounds.

If you look at what each governor has said - you'll find very few complete refusals, but many governors who just want the vetting processed improved before letting the refugees in. The OP is telling a bit of a tall tale. See the actual responses of the governors here:

(scroll down to see them all)

http://www.newsweek.com/where-every-state-stands-accepting-or-refusing-syrian-refugees-395050

It appears to be only temporary - and if that allows DHS and the FBI to improve vetting - why is that wrong?
 
In light of the DHS issuing a statement that they are unable to adequately vet the refugees, https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Chairman_McCaul_Syrian_Refugees-to-the-US.pdf I think the governors' refusals are within bounds.

If you look at what each governor has said - you'll find very few complete refusals, but many governors who just want the vetting processed improved before letting the refugees in. The OP is telling a bit of a tall tale. See the actual responses of the governors here:

(scroll down to see them all)

http://www.newsweek.com/where-every-state-stands-accepting-or-refusing-syrian-refugees-395050

It appears to be only temporary - and if that allows DHS and the FBI to improve vetting - why is that wrong?

Indeed. There is a legitimate security and public safety aspect to this that's being completely ignored, especially so in that one of the French terrorists smuggled himself into the EU and France undetected using the same route as the migrants fleeing Syria and the Middle East.

The fact that it's temporary speaks to the reasonability of the position taken.
 
Too bad you haven't got a clue that alienating the million or so Muslims in America makes it a heck of a lot easier for ISIS to recruit people here to take even more American lives.



wait, so you are saying unless we appease the Muslims already here they are likely to become terrorists? interesting.
 
Back
Top Bottom