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A Potential Scenario-Your Thoughts

Fearandloathing said:
Ah, I think the Republicans bare majority takes care of that. And don't forget, that wonderful humanitarian Harry Reid changed the rules......the nuke option is now in effect.

Unless I am missing something procedural, less votes means less power, they don't even get to filibuster
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Actually, it is procedural.

60 is needed to get a bill to the floor.

The current "nuke option" is limited in scope, and only applies to political appointments, not legislation.

BUT - the majority can legally change the rules and go "full nuke" (51 for everything) if they so desire!
 
Chomsky said:
Actually, it is procedural.

60 is needed to get a bill to the floor.

The current "nuke option" is limited in scope, and only applies to political appointments, not legislation.

BUT - the majority can legally change the rules and go "full nuke" (51 for everything) if they so desire!
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If they do that then they will be stuck with it in subsequent administrations.

But even so there would still be a separation of powers.
 
Chomsky said:
Actually, it is procedural.

60 is needed to get a bill to the floor.

The current "nuke option" is limited in scope, and only applies to political appointments, not legislation.

BUT - the majority can legally change the rules and go "full nuke" (51 for everything) if they so desire!
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Based on the atmosphere of the Obama administration and the actions of Reid's senate, how much do you think the Republicans are going to give way to Republicans?

Reid changed the rules more often than he changed underwear, I suspect some pay back is on its way
 
Fearandloathing said:
Based on the atmosphere of the Obama administration and the actions of Reid's senate, how much do you think the Republicans are going to give way to Republicans?

Reid changed the rules more often than he changed underwear, I suspect some pay back is on its way
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That's a big change, compared to the nomination.

And then there's the blow-back effect (when majority changes back).

I don't think either side has it in them to do it.
 
Chomsky said:
That's a big change, compared to the nomination.

And then there's the blow-back effect (when majority changes back).

I don't think either side has it in them to do it.
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It will depend on the nature of the opposition. Should the Democrats win the White House and show no more interest in compromise than Obama, then there will be warfare.

The big issues are still there, and percolating, getting nastier
 
Fearandloathing said:
It will depend on the nature of the opposition. Should the Democrats win the White House and show no more interest in compromise than Obama, then there will be warfare.

The big issues are still there, and percolating, getting nastier
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John Locke invented the philosophy of the rights of man and the separation of powers.

Whether one political party runs the Federal government or many, you still have a separation of powers.

And regular free elections every 2 years will also go a long way to curbing any abuses of power.

The Founders already thought of all that when they embraced John Locke.
 
Fearandloathing said:
It will depend on the nature of the opposition. Should the Democrats win the White House and show no more interest in compromise than Obama, then there will be warfare.

The big issues are still there, and percolating, getting nastier
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Now, this brings-up an interesting point.

If HRC gets in (not a given, at all), what will she do?

Her husband became quite successful and popular when he worked with Congress in his 2nd term, and he will be in the White House again given a Madame President (it very much is a 'two-for-one' deal). So that may be historical precedent for where we're going.

But we're looking at a nearly quarter-century time-frame difference, and politics & the electorate has become even more divisive. Bill had to deal with the Evangelical Right; she'll have to take them, and add the T-Party to the mix! She'll also have to deal with the Sander's run-off crowd & Warren faction.

That's a pretty full plate!

And unlike President Obama, there will be no honeymoon period.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Should Rubio receive the nomination and continue to prove the general suggestion that it is immensely difficult for an incumbent Party to hold onto the executive branch for 3 terms, Rubio would become President. Furthermore, let us presume that the House continues to hold its majority with the Republicans, and maybe a slightly tighter existence with the Senate. You have three powerful men in the GOP at the helm. You have the experienced, tempered fighter in McConnell, the young and (as of yet) respected policy wonk in Ryan, and you have the young conservative vision articulator in Rubio.

Where would the balance of power reside in pushing forward a new GOP agenda?
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I suspect that the three would pretty easily agree to go after tax reform before anything else. Every other consideration would be secondary. It would create an interesting situation as far as seeing how much they could get, and what they would have to giv, to get it through the senate and the threat of "filibuster". I am not sure what else of what they want that they would have a reasonable chance to get.
 
Chomsky said:
Now, this brings-up an interesting point.

If HRC gets in (not a given, at all), what will she do?

Her husband became quite successful and popular when he worked with Congress in his 2nd term, and he will be in the White House again given a Madame President (it very much is a 'two-for-one' deal). So that may be historical precedent for where we're going.

But we're looking at a nearly quarter-century time-frame difference, and politics & the electorate has become even more divisive. Bill had to deal with the Evangelical Right; she'll have to take them, and add the T-Party to the mix! She'll also have to deal with the Sander's run-off crowd & Warren faction.

That's a pretty full plate!

And unlike President Obama, there will be no honeymoon period.
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Excellent summation. She has shown no reluctance to engage, however seemed to stay above the fray in the down and dirty.

But, you are correct, it is a new era, something I think is missed by a lot of Americans. Assuming that she wins the White House and loses congress [not unlikely], what does she have to give? And, is there any taste in congress for compromise?

I still cannot see advancement on many core issues i.e. illegal aliens without one side or the other basically ramming it through.
 
Fiddytree said:
Should Rubio receive the nomination and continue to prove the general suggestion that it is immensely difficult for an incumbent Party to hold onto the executive branch for 3 terms, Rubio would become President. Furthermore, let us presume that the House continues to hold its majority with the Republicans, and maybe a slightly tighter existence with the Senate. You have three powerful men in the GOP at the helm. You have the experienced, tempered fighter in McConnell, the young and (as of yet) respected policy wonk in Ryan, and you have the young conservative vision articulator in Rubio.

Where would the balance of power reside in pushing forward a new GOP agenda?
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We don't have anything to worry about. They will win and "President Rubio" will realize that it's a lot harder than he thought. Kind of like what happened to Obama.
 
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