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How Does The Republicans expect to win another presidential election...

Grand Mal said:
A lot of conservatives are too stupid to see that the hotel owners and golf course owners and truck farmers who employ illegals, who are the reason they come and who are the real cause of the problem, are also conservatives and often connected, influential conservatives. A dozen or so of those patriots ought to be jailed, pour encourager les autres, but that'll never happen. Better if the same old measures that have failed in the past be increased into even bigger failures.
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When are you going to wake up to the fact that people from both parties employ illegal aliens?
 
Grand Mal said:
Those people have money and power and influence and connections. It's in their best interests if money is thrown at the problem by hiring more people to run around in futile circles in the desert rather than going after the roots of the problem.
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I have patrolled the desert rounding up these illegal aliens. I was an MP in southern Arizona. We had no problem catching them. The problem was once we caught one we spent the rest of our shift processing them. Fortunately we had the manpower to replace me while I was tied up processing them.

I was good friends and worked hand in hand with the border patrol in southern Arizona and they had no problem catching them either. The problem was every time he caught one or a small group he was taken out of service the rest of the day doing paperwork. This left his sector unprotected for the majority of the day. Nobody in the border patrol is chasing their tail in circles. It is the federal government not processing and removing those caught that is the problem. It is all the laws and political red tape that has people running in circles. And it is even more laws and red tape that will completely destroy what is left of our border security.
 
clownboy said:
Science, if you can call psychology that, to the rescue! :mrgreen:

One of the first studies I assisted in at the rat lab was the on effects of overpopulation. Provide all the basic necessities and allow the area to overpopulate, know what you get? Radically increased aggression in some, immobilizing depression in others, a large range of cancers, rampant homosexuality, impotence, and what can only be described as a host of mental illnesses. One of the uglier things I've ever studied.
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That's nice. I can't even begin to imagine how you could possibly think that experiment is comparable to the entire world, but whatevs.
 
foadi said:
That's nice. I can't even begin to imagine how you could possibly think that experiment is comparable to the entire world, but whatevs.
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Even more effectively than the way polling a few thousand represents the whole. But in this case the biome is set and the species allowed to overpopulate it. Of course, you might not think those outcomes are abnormal being an ant hill dweller.
 
countryboy said:
Can you quote me saying that? No? Didn't think so. ;)
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So you have no problem w/making it legal for anyone from Latin America to come to the US as long as he/she has a job offer in the US?
 
solletica said:
So you have no problem w/making it legal for anyone from Latin America to come to the US as long as he/she has a job offer in the US?
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Legally yes, but there has to be limits. Jobs should be reserved for americans first.
 
countryboy said:
Legally yes, but there has to be limits. Jobs should be reserved for americans first.
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Under a system where anyone w/a job offer in the US could legally enter and reside in the US, anyone who came in and started working in those jobs would be considered American, by definition of his/her legal residency status.

I believe what you meant to say is "jobs should reserved for White Americans first."
 
not sure how they expect to, but if Trump runs, he'll win. if another republican wins the nomination, they'll lose.
 
solletica said:
Under a system where anyone w/a job offer in the US could legally enter and reside in the US, anyone who came in and started working in those jobs would be considered American, by definition of his/her legal residency status.

I believe what you meant to say is "jobs should reserved for White Americans first."
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Oh get off the racist bull****. I myself am a brown American. I meant what I said, AMERICANS.What part of "I don't give a **** what color a person is?" are you having trouble with?

And no, I would not favor such a system where ANYONE with a job offer could come and live here as an American. No, and oh hell no.
 
I think it's just a lame issue. I mean everyone is capable of looking out the window to see what's going on in their world. Republicans can't win CA anyway so who cares; I don't think they care. CA, even the 2nd Amendment dudes ares saying vote union.
 
solletica said:
Under a system where anyone w/a job offer in the US could legally enter and reside in the US, anyone who came in and started working in those jobs would be considered American, by definition of his/her legal residency status."
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Where have you been. This is a global economy. My brother, my sister, and my step brother have all went to work in other countries many times. They are and will remain US citizens. People from all over the world come to this country to work on projects and when finished return home to what ever country they are from and have no desire to become a US citizen. Then you have the people who wish to migrate to this country and apply for immigrant status that have jobs in this country. I have no problem with none of these upstanding people and welcome them to America.

It is the people entering this country illegally, working for slave labor undermining wages, not paying taxes, and who have no respect for our laws that need to be rounded up and permanently tossed out of this country.

solletica said:
I believe what you meant to say is "jobs should reserved for White Americans first."
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Sounds like you got some prejudice issues. That is not what I got from his statement. I think he is correct. I think we should not be bringing in large numbers of workers when unemployment is above a certain level. This is just common sense.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
When are you going to wake up to the fact that people from both parties employ illegal aliens?
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Hey, I don't really care. I'm Canadian- I don\t have a dog in the hunt. The point I'm making is that focussing on chasing Mexicans around in the desert hasn't worked so having more Feds in the chase probably won't, either. The Mexicans will find a way as long as some patriots are willing to make a nice profit by paying them what, half what they'd have to pay an American?
You need to wake up and see who your enemy is here.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I have patrolled the desert rounding up these illegal aliens. I was an MP in southern Arizona. We had no problem catching them. The problem was once we caught one we spent the rest of our shift processing them. Fortunately we had the manpower to replace me while I was tied up processing them.

I was good friends and worked hand in hand with the border patrol in southern Arizona and they had no problem catching them either. The problem was every time he caught one or a small group he was taken out of service the rest of the day doing paperwork. This left his sector unprotected for the majority of the day. Nobody in the border patrol is chasing their tail in circles. It is the federal government not processing and removing those caught that is the problem. It is all the laws and political red tape that has people running in circles. And it is even more laws and red tape that will completely destroy what is left of our border security.
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Does the bolded parts mean that there are so many of them? I mean, unless you're saying that the delay in processing means those you capture are released, then there must be what, five or ten missed for every one caught?
 
Grand Mal said:
Wanna do something that will have a quick effect on the problem? Jail the people who employ illegals. Bet that'll never happen, though. Those people have money and power and influence and connections. It's in their best interests if money is thrown at the problem by hiring more people to run around in futile circles in the desert rather than going after the roots of the problem.
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Fine them four times the amount of money they saved by not hiring legally. Then do an IRS audit on every one.

It will cease in 18 months
 
Fearandloathing said:
Fine them four times the amount of money they saved by not hiring legally. Then do an IRS audit on every one.

It will cease in 18 months
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D'accord. Jail too, though. Those patriots are stealing from Americans, paying illegal aliens half wages and pocketing the difference. Illegal immigration will dry up to a trickle once there's no more jobs.
That's called going to the root of the problem.
 
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Grand Mal said:
D'accord. Jail too, though. Those patriots are stealing from Americans, paying illegal aliens half wages and pocketing the difference. Illegal immigration will dry up to a trickle once there's no more jobs.
That's called going to the root of the problem.
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Guess what happens here if you get caught employing an illegal?

AUDIT!

There's this little clause about withholding taxes etc. And if you don't.......screw jail..... for the record a guy I know got fined $400,000 and had to pay the amount of the taxes that would have been paid by the workers if they were legal, plus late fines, penalties and interest.

With a good lawyer he got the fine dropped to $180,000 but had to pay the rest
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Where have you been. This is a global economy. My brother, my sister, and my step brother have all went to work in other countries many times. They are and will remain US citizens. People from all over the world come to this country to work on projects and when finished return home to what ever country they are from and have no desire to become a US citizen. Then you have the people who wish to migrate to this country and apply for immigrant status that have jobs in this country. I have no problem with none of these upstanding people and welcome them to America.
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That's not what was being asked.

The question is why do you want to make it legally more difficult for an employer in the US to hire someone outside the US (i. e. Latinos, Asians) than someone inside?

PIPEWRENCH said:
It is the people entering this country illegally, working for slave labor undermining wages,
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Er, that's not how you really feel, is it? Because guest workers from Mexico, H1B workers from India, Pakistan, or China, and even the children of undocumented immigrants who were born on US soil are all legal residents of the US--they are not in violation of US law. . .

. . .yet you do have a problem w/large numbers of those people being here. Am I right?

PIPEWRENCH said:
I think he is correct. I think we should not be bringing in large numbers of workers when unemployment is above a certain level. This is just common sense.
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No, it's not common sense. It's anti-free market.

Any law that prohibits any voluntary transaction between individuals, or any provision/act of govt. that favors one individual or group over another in the global economy is an affront to capitalism.

A free market is one where anyone who is hired for a job by someone else, regardless of where they are in the world, can work for that person, w/out govt. regulating that in any fashion.

Strict immigration laws that discourage the immigration of foreign workers therefore violates a free market.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Guess what happens here if you get caught employing an illegal?
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In the USA, currently, practically nothing.

The US govt. is pro-business, and therefore deliberately doesn't care about consistently enforcing laws that would discourage the hiring of undocumented labor.
 
countryboy said:
Oh get off the racist bull****. I myself am a brown American.
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Somehow, I doubt that, or else you're not a first-generation Asian, Latino, or other non-White first-generation immigrant.

countryboy said:
I meant what I said, AMERICANS.What part of "I don't give a **** what color a person is?" are you having trouble with?
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The part about you telling the truth about you really feel.

countryboy said:
And no, I would not favor such a system where ANYONE with a job offer could come and live here as an American. No, and oh hell no.
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Right, exactly as I predicted, you initially claimed that you only had a problem w/ILLEGAL immigration.

Yes now you're saying that you also don't like people coming to this country legally under a law that would allow any foreigner hired by a US employer to immigrate and work.

So, in fact, you DO HAVE A PROBLEM w/LEGAL immigration under specific circumstances.
 
solletica said:
That's not what was being asked.

The question is why do you want to make it legally more difficult for an employer in the US to hire someone outside the US (i. e. Latinos, Asians) than someone inside?
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My brother hires people from other countries all the time to work on projects. His job is to put together the people needed to get the job done. Before I went back to work for a small company I managed a large plumbing company. I also hired people from Columbia and Mexico. The difference was I paid them top wages, they paid taxes and kept their visa current and up to date. You are clueless.


solletica said:
Er, that's not how you really feel, is it? Because guest workers from Mexico, H1B workers from India, Pakistan, or China, and even the children of undocumented immigrants who were born on US soil are all legal residents of the US--they are not in violation of US law. . .
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You are again clueless if you entertain you know how I feel. My step brother lived worked and married a lovely woman from Mexico. I have spent many vacations down their visiting them and their families. My last girlfriend was his panic. I have family living all across this country and the world.

solletica said:
. . .yet you do have a problem w/large numbers of those people being here. Am I right?
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I have a problem with large numbers (millions) of people in this country illegally. They are working for slave labor wages undermining and destroying everything my parents and grandparents fought for. A livable wage. Most do not pay their taxes as well as their employers. These people are not the immigrants that make this county great. They are a scourge that drags this country down.

solletica said:
No, it's not common sense. It's anti-free market.
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You again are clueless. Bringing in slave labor when their is already a shortage of jobs drives wages down. While the rich and powerful benefit it destroys everything the unions have fought for. Have you ever heard of a livable wage. There is no such thing as a free market. Every country on this planet regulates industry with rules and regulations.

solletica said:
Any law that prohibits any voluntary transaction between individuals, or any provision/act of govt. that favors one individual or group over another in the global economy is an affront to capitalism.
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It has nothing to do with laws prohibiting people from working in this country. It has to do with people not respecting our laws and entering this country illegally. I have had several workers who had no trouble renewing their visa to continue working in this country for several years. One had filed for immigration and got it the other planned on returning back to Mexico with enough money to start his own business.

solletica said:
A free market is one where anyone who is hired for a job by someone else, regardless of where they are in the world, can work for that person, w/out govt. regulating that in any fashion.
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I have done that for years. My family has done that for years. The only difference is we do it legally. We respect this countries laws and the people we hire do as well. You can't seem to comprehend the difference between legal and illegal. Hillary seems to have the same problem.

solletica said:
Strict immigration laws that discourage the immigration of foreign workers therefore violates a free market.
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We do not have strict immigration laws. We have more illegal aliens running around in this country than half the countries in the world have people.
 
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