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Most Underrated American President

TheDemSocialist said:
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Iran-Contra is not a theory. Its an actual conspiracy that happened.
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Then you should have said Iran-Contra. It's never referred to as the 'Iran hostage crisis'.
I thought you were peddling the October Surprise conspiracy.

And obviously it was a low-point of Reagan's Presidency. And? He achieved much more on the global scale than Carter ever did.
 
Alban said:
And obviously it was a low-point of Reagan's Presidency. And? He achieved much more on the global scale than Carter ever did.
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So are you saying Reagan did not "mishandle" the Iranian hostage crisis but Carter did?

And what exactly did "Reagan achieve" through his foreign policy (please dont say he brought down the Soviet Union)?
 
Riveroaks said:
It is called "based on the past."

It is a prognostication.
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And a prediction of war between the US and Iran just could turn out to be accurate. My prediction: Such a war would be a disaster. It would cost a fortune in both treasure and blood, and leave Iran worse than it was before the war. That's based on the past as well.
 
Dittohead not! said:
And a prediction of war between the US and Iran just could turn out to be accurate. My prediction: Such a war would be a disaster. It would cost a fortune in both treasure and blood, and leave Iran worse than it was before the war. That's based on the past as well.
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One U.S. Navy missile boat could reduce Iran to glowing embers in just a few minutes, if we do it right.
 
Probably Coolidge for staying out of the way. I like Ike as well.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Jimmy Carter will go down in the history books as one of our most ineffectual and overall worst Presidents, but after being in office one of the best human rights advocates this nation has ever produced.
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he should have been impeached and then sued into the poorhouse for what he did to the Olympic athletes

Jerry Ford is the most underrated President in history. He sacrificed winning a real term to do the right thing and pardoning Nixon
 
Jetboogieman said:
I like Ike!!!
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I'm going to go with Polk and Ike. Ike achieved everything he wanted and didn't even need to run for a second term. Compare that to Obama who STATED his intent to close Guantanamo Bay and couldn't pull it off even with a supermajority in Congress.

Ike because he made hard choices there were wildly unpopular but was right. He knew the importance of Federal vs State's Rights and I'm willing to say he was probably the last true conservative I'll ever see in my lifetime. He was simply phenomenal and he SHOULD be the model of what it means to be conservative.
 
Alban said:
Thanks. I'm from Indiana but I studied at Rutgers and live in NJ.
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Yes, I saw that you live in NJ, cause it writes there at "Location:" area. But I was wondering what is your cultural background. Or, if I can just cut to the chase, all I want to know is can you decipher the following comment without using Google Translate?

O tungatjeta o njeri? Po ves a je Shqiptar a jo? Kupton?
 
President Rutherford B. Hayes.

He was great in the union military. Wounded 5 times and commended for bravery.

He used the military to crush the first Railroad union strike.
 
DDD said:
Yes, I saw that you live in NJ, cause it writes there at "Location:" area. But I was wondering what is your cultural background. Or, if I can just cut to the chase, all I want to know is can you decipher the following comment without using Google Translate?

O tungatjeta o njeri? Po ves a je Shqiptar a jo? Kupton?
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Oh, I understand now. Haha, no I'm not of Albanian or Balkan descent. I took my username from a famous wine once made in the Alban hills.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
I'd disagree with that notion because once the country separated, it was the USA for all intents.
I just think people latched on to Washington, because he was a war hero.
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Articles of Confederation had no executive branch, therefore he was not an executive. Washington was the first true executive.
 
Alban said:
Oh, I understand now. Haha, no I'm not of Albanian or Balkan descent. I took my username from a famous wine once made in the Alban hills.
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Thanks

O tungatjeta o njeri? Po ves a je Shqiptar a jo? Kupton?
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That just in Albanian means "Hi man? I am asking are you an Albanian or not? Understand?"

So now we are cool with DP.
 
I'm a fan of the Adams administrations with exception to poor management of their cabinets.
 
reinoe said:
I'm going to go with Polk and Ike. Ike achieved everything he wanted and didn't even need to run for a second term. Compare that to Obama who STATED his intent to close Guantanamo Bay and couldn't pull it off even with a supermajority in Congress.

Ike because he made hard choices there were wildly unpopular but was right. He knew the importance of Federal vs State's Rights and I'm willing to say he was probably the last true conservative I'll ever see in my lifetime. He was simply phenomenal and he SHOULD be the model of what it means to be conservative.
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Ike was good, but he was certainly more big government than libertarians and "conservatives" espouse.

The thing about "true conservatism" is that it doesn't exist, but if it had, it would be big government paternalism. In that, the last Bush administration showcased that handedly. His foreign policy was much more influenced by Wilsonianism than would be comfortable, but his domestic policy was much more akin to the conservative tradition of old Europe, Federalist and Whig-era conservatism and Deserali conservatism than anyone you'd care for.

Southerners have their own conservative impulses, but they were much more grounded in liberal thought than the Northern conservatives, and it was the Northerners who had more stake at being called conservatives as they understood the need for government interventions and paternalism.
 
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