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Could Hillary please start getting her lies straight?

MMC said:
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68% of Independent voters view her as dishonest and untrustworthy, and the poll still continues to increase with more.
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Dishonesty seems to be a favorable trait for progressives and liberals.
 
MMC said:
Brew Master Maker, Frank.....Welcome to the 21st Century! :lol:

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I was posting the picture to American conservatives...so I had 19th century more in mind! Maybe I shoulda gone 18th century.

Here ya go:

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Frank Apisa said:
I was posting the picture to American conservatives...so I had 19th century more in mind! Maybe I shoulda gone 18th century.

Here ya go:

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In time, that is of this day and age. Most are glass and see thru. Kind of like Hillary and the Demos. :mrgreen:

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MMC said:
In time, that is of this day and age. Most are glass and see thru. Kind of like Hillary and the Demos. :mrgreen:

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The picture of that large metal kettle reminds me of what I used to display on my porch on Halloween in days gone by - filled with dry ice with water added made a dandy display of scary fog, and having an ugly witch standing next to it (me, and no snarky comments needed) , stirring it with a tree limb as she cackled, thanks to a super audio I bought from the Halloween Store, sure made a hit with the kids on Beggars Night! :lamo: Fun memories....
 
There is nobody good on either side.

Every year, same old horsepuckey.

Vote for the lesser of the evils.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Hillary will be toast by her own party's hand. It will be fun to watch.
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Seems rather likely, if things keep going this bad for going forward.
iguanaman said:
Not nearly as fun as watching the conservatives squirm when the GOP nominates Jeb.
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If that's the way it works out, oh well.

If it does go this way, I guess we'll see how much the establishment GOP moves off of it's 'business as usual' mark, and if not at the risk of further party contortions.
 
eohrnberger said:
Seems rather likely, if things keep going this bad for going forward.

If that's the way it works out, oh well.

If it does go this way, I guess we'll see how much the establishment GOP moves off of it's 'business as usual' mark, and if not at the risk of further party contortions.
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Right now the polls top five are (Real Clear Politics):

Trump Carson Fiorina Rubio Bush Cruz Kasich Huckabee Christie Paul Jindal Santorum Graham Pataki Spread
RCP Average 9/17 - 10/1 22.8 17.3 11.0 9.5 8.3 6.1 3.1 2.8 2.6 2.4 0.5 0.4 0.3 0.3 Trump +5.5

That said Real Clear Politics polls aren't real clear, some of the polls they use are way off base but with Jeb at 5th place he it isn't clear that he is even a front runner at this point. If Kasich pulled out he might pick up some. His problem is Carson.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Right now the polls top five are (Real Clear Politics):

Trump Carson Fiorina Rubio Bush Cruz Kasich Huckabee Christie Paul Jindal Santorum Graham Pataki Spread
RCP Average 9/17 - 10/1 22.8 17.3 11.0 9.5 8.3 6.1 3.1 2.8 2.6 2.4 0.5 0.4 0.3 0.3 Trump +5.5

That said Real Clear Politics polls aren't real clear, some of the polls they use are way off base but with Jeb at 5th place he it isn't clear that he is even a front runner at this point. If Kasich pulled out he might pick up some. His problem is Carson.
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The outsiders are indeed causing a lot of problems or the establishment. Good on them. 'Bout time something shook up the establishment if you ask me.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Ain't gonna happen but you can always wish.
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Jeb's the "chosen one" and you will vote for him that is all the Party leaders need to know. They want that neocon gravy train back bad.
 
iguanaman said:
Jeb's the "chosen one" and you will vote for him that is all the Party leaders need to know. They want that neocon gravy train back bad.
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They can want all they want but I think people on the right are sick of status quo politicians. By the first of the year Boehner will be sitting at home drinking Jameson's and crying over movies like Gone With the Wind.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Jeez...you guys are all going to be miserable when Hillary gets elected.
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If...and that's a big "if" Hillary gets elected, you would be miserable as well.
 
iguanaman said:
Yeo...he's your nominee. Pretty sad huh.
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I kind of doubt it,,,but why the taunting? Are you only into windups these days? I doubt that you seriously think Bush is the likely nominee at 4%.
 
clownboy said:
Last I looked Jeb is nowhere in the polls.
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Give me a break. Romney was nowhere either at this time either. Carson and maybe Fiorina will take there turns at the top and when they fall like Trump is now. Who will be there to take their place? It will be the man with the familiar name and the Mexican wife, the one who was chosen last November. It made Romney pretty pissed off too, remember when he was going to run again and then abruptly changed his mind and made some nasty comments about Jeb?
 
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ObamacareFail said:
I kind of doubt it,,,but why the taunting? Are you only into windups these days? I doubt that you seriously think Bush is the likely nominee at 4%.
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I think it is amusing what sheep the voters of the GOP are. Another Bush will surely lose and the Cons will scream it was because Jeb is a RINO and keep up their extreme right rhetoric. You need to run some one who you really want and see how badly he loses too.
The odds makers are not fooled so easily as you. Jeb has the highest odds to win right now and has all along. He has a 31% chance at the nomination.

Potential Candidate PredictWise Derived Market Price Derived Polling Percent
Jeb Bush 31 % $0.273 8.8 %
Marco Rubio 29 % $0.262 8.9 %
Donald Trump 13 % $0.122 25.6 %
Ben Carson 6 % $0.062 14.6 %
Carly Fiorina 6 % $0.057 10.4 %
Chris Christie 5 % $0.045 3.7 %
Ted Cruz 4 % $0.039 5.8 %
John Kasich 4 % $0.032 2.4 %
Mike Huckabee 2 % $0.028 2.2 %
Rand Paul 1 % $0.007 3.2 %
Bobby Jindal 0 % $0.005 0.7 %
Rick Santorum 0 % $0.004 0.8 %
Lindsey Graham 0 % $0.006 0.1 %
George Pataki 0 % $0.001 0.3 %
2016 President - Republican Nomination | PredictWise
 
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iguanaman said:
I think it is amusing what sheep the voters of the GOP are. Another Bush will surely lose and the Cons will scream it was because Jeb is a RINO and keep up their extreme right rhetoric. You need to run some one who you really want and see how badly he loses too.
The odds makers are not fooled so easily as you. Jeb has the highest odds to win right now and has all along. He has a 31% chance at the nomination.

Potential Candidate PredictWise Derived Market Price Derived Polling Percent
Jeb Bush 31 % $0.273 8.8 %
Marco Rubio 29 % $0.262 8.9 %
Donald Trump 13 % $0.122 25.6 %
Ben Carson 6 % $0.062 14.6 %
Carly Fiorina 6 % $0.057 10.4 %
Chris Christie 5 % $0.045 3.7 %
Ted Cruz 4 % $0.039 5.8 %
John Kasich 4 % $0.032 2.4 %
Mike Huckabee 2 % $0.028 2.2 %
Rand Paul 1 % $0.007 3.2 %
Bobby Jindal 0 % $0.005 0.7 %
Rick Santorum 0 % $0.004 0.8 %
Lindsey Graham 0 % $0.006 0.1 %
George Pataki 0 % $0.001 0.3 %
2016 President - Republican Nomination | PredictWise
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I get the impression that you are frightened of the top four in the GOP race and you are fantasizing that she will get the democrat nomination and not face a weak pushover like Jeb Bush.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I get the impression that you are frightened of the top four in the GOP race and you are fantasizing that she will get the democrat nomination and not face a weak pushover like Jeb Bush.
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I think alot of us are frightened by another Bush in the Whitehouse. Jeb is a spitting image of his brother and a founding member of the neocons. What could go wrong?
 
iguanaman said:
I think alot of us are frightened by another Bush in the Whitehouse. Jeb is a spitting image of his brother and a founding member of the neocons. What could go wrong?
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I think you are frightened of the possibility that HIllary will have to run against a viable candidate rather then a RINO like Jeb Bush. You seem to be in your own way begging for the GOP to nominate Jeb Bush. What you seem oblivious to is the fact that American voters these days are suffering from dynasty fatigue. Most do not want another Bush or Clinton in the white house. That's why Jeb is at 4% and Sanders is drawing much bigger crowds then Hillary. As for Jeb being a spitting image of George W Bush, that is ignorance on your part. George W, would at least take a stand and stick to it. Jeb is more of a "go along to get along" RINO. They are both similar on the amnesty for illegal immigrants issue, however George was able to figure out when it was better to back off when the public railed against it.
 
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