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I'm curious what Carson-Care is would look like.
I mean, he has called "Obamacare worse than slavery"

Wiki.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson#Healthcare
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During the National Prayer Breakfast, Carson said about the ACA: "Here's my solution. When a person is born, give him a birth certificate, an electronic medical record and a health savings account [HSA]".[75]

Criticism of health insurance companies

In a 2009 interview, Carson said that he found the "concept of For-profits for the insurance companies" absurd.
He continued, "The first thing we need to do is get rid of for-profit insurance companies.
We have a lack of policies and we Need to make the Government responsible for catastrophic health care.

We have to make the insurance companies responsible only for routine health care."[76][77]
In 2014, Carson wrote in support of expanded use of health savings accounts, plus a system "Similar to Medicare and Medicaid" to address "complex pre-existing or acquired maladies".[78]
More generally, his position is that, "we need to remove health care from the political arena and recognize that any government proposals affecting the health of all citizens should be free market-based and should be so appealing that it would not be necessary to force citizens into the program."[79]

End-of-life care

In 1992, Carson wrote that aging and technological advancement will eventually lead to many people surviving their 100th birthdays.[80] He questioned the merits of prolonging life, citing the fact that "up to half of the medical expenses incurred in the average American's life are incurred during the last six months of life". He discussed the "dignity of dying in comfort, at home, with an attendant if necessary". Carson also stated: "Decisions on who should be treated and who should not be treated would clearly require some National guidelines....If a patient insisted on having everything done, consideration of more aggressive treatment should be given."[80][77][81] In January 2015, Carson stated that his views have evolved since 1992.[82][83]

Let's see.
He's got Health Savings account, but No 'For-Profit insurance companies.'
He calls for a system "similar to Medicare and Medicaid."
"National Guidelines" for end of life care.. aka.. "Death Panels"
And bafflingly..
"recognize that any government proposals affecting the health of all citizens should be free market-based and should be so appealing that it would not be necessary to force citizens into the program.."
What does that mean?
"so appealing" means "Cheap for alot of care"..
that's just Not possible in the private/"Free market" realm. There isn't and won't be a Geico/Progressive battle among Medical Ins cos/Doctors.
The only 'irresistible' medical care IS Medicare/Medicaid.

IOW, After all the beating around the Bush, Carson-Care doesn't sound much different than Obamacare, except Carson-Care would be more GOVERNMENT run.
 
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and how is this different from universal healthcare?
 
I'm curious what Carson-Care is would look like.
I mean, he has called "Obamacare worse than slavery"

Wiki.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson#Healthcare


Let's see.
He's got Health Savings account, but No 'For-Profit insurance companies.'
He calls for a system "similar to Medicare and Medicaid."
"National Guidelines" for end of life care.. aka.. "Death Panels"
And bafflingly..
"recognize that any government proposals affecting the health of all citizens should be free market-based and should be so appealing that it would not be necessary to force citizens into the program.."
What does that mean?
"so appealing" means "Cheap for alot of care"..
that's just Not possible in the private/"Free market" realm. There isn't and won't be a Geico/Progressive battle among Medical Ins cos/Doctors.
The only 'irresistible' medical care IS Medicare/Medicaid.

IOW, After all the beating around the Bush, Carson-Care doesn't sound much different than Obamacare, except Carson-Care would be more GOVERNMENT run.


Ben Carson cites alternative to Obamacare at National Prayer Breakfast | IFAwebnews.com

it helps to actually look up a real source instead of a hodgepodge of stuff in wiki.
his idea is similar to my idea.

it saves a ton of money and is way cheaper than what we have now.
 
Ben Carson cites alternative to Obamacare at National Prayer Breakfast | IFAwebnews.com

it helps to actually look up a real source instead of a hodgepodge of stuff in wiki.
his idea is similar to my idea.

it saves a ton of money and is way cheaper than what we have now.
Actually..
My Wiki excerpts are far more wide and detailed than your Little article which includes other things in it. (Cayman Islands? LOL/fluff)
And uh..
How does it "save a ton of money"?
(this should be good!/EMPTY)

The most obvious way to save money is to reduce, or get rid of, 1000 private insurance cos, 1000 giant managements, and 1000 companies only giving back 85% of the dollars they take in (1000 fat profits).. and Replacing it with a Single payer/Govt insurance, that like Medicare, returns 96% of it's dollars to actual Medical care.
Carson's plan Does EXPAND Medicare/Medicaid.

Alternatively, and additionally, we could cut doctors salaries, so guys like Carson don't make $50,000 per operation and multiples of that a year.
Doctors would be hired and paid like other public employees/public school teachers, Brain surgeons like full college professors.
Basically they'd be knocked down 50%-70% in salary, but as public employees, have liability removed in return.
 
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From the Right: AmericanThinker

Ben Carson's Problematic Views on Health Care
By M. Catharine Evans
AmericanThinker 3/20/2013
Articles: Ben Carson's Problematic Views on Health Care

Dr. Ben Carson, in his many public appearances, certainly sounds Conservative with his rags-to-riches story and his recent criticism of Obamacare. But does he really want to get rid of private insurers and replace them with the government? What about cradle-to-grave electronic monitoring of medical records? What about his views on end-of-life care? In several past interviews as well as his recent book 'America the Beautiful' published in 2012, he comes to the Same conclusions as those on the Left who Salivate over the idea of Universal health care. Like Obama, he vilifies American insurance companies.
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In a fall 2009 interview with the online Mega Diversities "knowledge by any means necessary" magazine Carson criticizes private insurance companies.

"The entire concept of for profits for the insurance companies makes absolutely no sense. " I deny that you need care and I will make more money." This is totally ridiculous. The first thing we need to do is get rid of for profit insurance companies.
We have a lack of policies and we need to make the government responsible for catastrophic healthcare. If insurance companies are responsible only for routine health care, you are able to predict how much money they are going to need, and this facilitates regulations."​

In 2009 Carson called for more Regulation of an industry already heavily regulated and for increased government control over our healthcare needs. But he went even farther in 2012. In fact, he sounds like President Obama just a couple of weeks before he signed the Affordable Care Act into law.
Carson agrees with Obama.
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Who will decide? Carson says we need "government regulators... to establish fair and consistent remunerations throughout the country."
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According to Carson, all health insurance companies should eventually become non-profit service organizations with "standardized, regulated profit margins." "It may sound radical," he says, "but is it as radical as allowing a company to increase its profits by denying care to a sick individual."

In 'America the Beautiful' Carson also repeats his 2009 call for Government to be responsible for catastrophic insurance. How does he intend to pay for this?
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Carson goes on to admonish Americans who don't get that "death is not optional" and that it is "perfectly reasonable to send patients to hospices." Maybe. But is he suggesting it's reasonable that a government bureaucrat makes that decision? Carson anticipated the question. Again, I can hear some people screaming after reading this that I am advocating "death panels."
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Throughout 'America the Beautiful', which is now on the paperback bestseller list, Carson advocates for certain aspects of Socialism.
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But the doctor's book and ideas Don't sound like the same man on stage this past Saturday at CPAC.
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I'm curious what Carson-Care is would look like.
I mean, he has called "Obamacare worse than slavery"

Wiki.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson#Healthcare


Let's see.
He's got Health Savings account, but No 'For-Profit insurance companies.'
He calls for a system "similar to Medicare and Medicaid."
"National Guidelines" for end of life care.. aka.. "Death Panels"
And bafflingly..
"recognize that any government proposals affecting the health of all citizens should be free market-based and should be so appealing that it would not be necessary to force citizens into the program.."
What does that mean?
"so appealing" means "Cheap for alot of care"..
that's just Not possible in the private/"Free market" realm. There isn't and won't be a Geico/Progressive battle among Medical Ins cos/Doctors.
The only 'irresistible' medical care IS Medicare/Medicaid.

IOW, After all the beating around the Bush, Carson-Care doesn't sound much different than Obamacare, except Carson-Care would be more GOVERNMENT run.


Well Carson just stepped up a half a rung in my book. Of course, I'm more akin to the opposition party, so not much help there.
 
Who will decide? Carson says we need "government regulators... to establish fair and consistent remunerations throughout the country."

Carson spent his career at a hospital in Maryland, where reimbursement rates are set by government regulators. Not entirely surprising he'd have a certain fondness for that approach.
 
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