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Bernie Sanders Plans to Introduce a Bill Banning For-Profit Prisons

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n the past couple of months, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has taken heat from some quarters of the left for not making criminal justice reform a focal point of his presidential campaign. But increasingly there are signs that he's committed to moving the ball forward on the issue.According to ThinkProgress, the firebrand democratic socialist announced on Tuesday at a rally that he plans to author a bill outlawing for-profit prisons.
"When Congress reconvenes in September, I will be introducing legislation which takes corporations out of profiteering from running jails," Sanders told a roaring crowd in Reno, Nevada.
In the past few weeks, Sanders has taken a number of measures to respond to heavy pressure from Black Lives Matter activists, including making "racial justice" one of his major policy priorities and hiring a black national press secretary, who was offered a job after she advised him on how to improve his approach to criminal justice reform.
A change in approach: At the rally in Reno, Sanders' emphasis on overhauling the prison system was in keeping with his growing emphasis on criminal justice in the past month.
"Our job is to keep people out of jail, not in jail," he told attendees. "And what we also need to do is to understand that when people aren't in jail, we need a rational path for them to return to civil society."
While Sanders' for-profit prison ban legislation announcement is new, he has in the past pledged to ban them if he becomes president.


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One of the biggest unspoken unjust variables of our criminal justice system. Keep it going Bernie!
 
Read more @: Bernie Sanders Plans to Introduce a Bill Banning For-Profit Prisons
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One of the biggest unspoken unjust variables of our criminal justice system. Keep it going Bernie!

Bernie Sanders would propose legislation banning any for profit activity. Based on what constitutional federal power can he do so? Many government functions from national defense to highway construction/maintenance are done by for profit companies or corporations because it makes sense to put things up for competitive bids instead of forming huge government organizations that have no competition and demand ever increasing funding regardless of the results that they acheive..
 
Bernie Sanders would propose legislation banning any for profit activity. Based on what constitutional federal power can he do so? Many government functions from national defense to highway construction/maintenance are done by for profit companies or corporations because it makes sense to put things up for competitive bids instead of forming huge government organizations that have no competition and demand ever increasing funding regardless of the results that they acheive..

So you think its okay to have an incentive to have more prisoners?
 
So you think its okay to have an incentive to have more prisoners?

I think it's OK to have more prisoners if that is the result of LEO doing a better job of apprehending more criminals. Or if there are more criminals to get caught.

But I fail to see how who manages the prisons has any effect whatever on how many prisoners there are.

Courts send convicts to prison. Prisons house them.
 
I think it's OK to have more prisoners if that is the result of LEO doing a better job of apprehending more criminals. Or if there are more criminals to get caught.

But I fail to see how who manages the prisons has any effect whatever on how many prisoners there are.

Courts send convicts to prison. Prisons house them.

You have a government contract to fill 'X' many beds. If you dont fill 'X' many beds, you dont make money.....

Great article on the matter: https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...me-the-biggest-lobby-no-one-is-talking-about/
In its 2014 annual report, CCA wrote:

The demand for our facilities and services could be adversely affected by the relaxation of enforcement efforts, leniency in conviction or parole standards and sentencing practices or through the decriminalization of certain activities that are currently proscribed by our criminal laws. For instance, any changes with respect to drugs and controlled substances or illegal immigration could affect the number of persons arrested, convicted, and sentenced, thereby potentially reducing demand for correctional facilities to house them. … Legislation has been proposed in numerous jurisdictions that could lower minimum sentences for some non-violent crimes and make more inmates eligible for early release based on good behavior.
 
excuse me, but if ending privately owned prisons makes perfect sense then why would conservatives do it?

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Now if he could ban for-profit legislators, he'd really be on to something!

and end the best government money can buy?! no way
 
Bernie Sanders Plans to Introduce a Bill Banning For-Profit Prisons

i support that one. it will go nowhere, but at least the issue will be discussed.
 
and end the best government money can buy?! no way
Yep!

It's time to 'socialize' the legislative process, no?

It's been 'capitalistic' too long now, and sinking deeper ...
 
i support that one. it will go nowhere, but at least the issue will be discussed.
Bernie will bring it up on the Senate floor (not in an official manner)..... But I just wish it would move to the house floor, because that is when debate really gets attention.
 
Doesn't work that way. The prison has a contract to deal with a given number of prisoners. They don't have the right to go out on the streets to look for guests to fill their beds. The courts do that.

so, if they were incurring the cost of the facility and its staff and medical personnel, yet had only one prisoner expense to bill to the government because all of the other cells were empty, that they would be OK with that situation?
 
Bernie Sanders would propose legislation banning any for profit activity. Based on what constitutional federal power can he do so? Many government functions from national defense to highway construction/maintenance are done by for profit companies or corporations because it makes sense to put things up for competitive bids instead of forming huge government organizations that have no competition and demand ever increasing funding regardless of the results that they acheive..

Bold: That's an easy answer. The power to spend, or not spend money. Defund them and they go byebye. Quickly.
 
so, if they were incurring the cost of the facility and its staff and medical personnel, yet had only one prisoner expense to bill to the government because all of the other cells were empty, that they would be OK with that situation?

No, they have contracted for a specific number of guests. It's not up to the prison to fill the quota. The government has also contracted for a specific number of beds.

Explain to me how, or why, they would fill empty beds on their own. Just go out and pick up hookers? vagrants? drug dealers?

No different than the government agreeing to buy 500 new planes. The government is then on the hook for 500 planes at a given price. The contractor is on the hook to provide 500 planes at a given price.
 
No, they have contracted for a specific number of guests. It's not up to the prison to fill the quota. The government has also contracted for a specific number of beds.
for purposes of this explanation, let's assume the government has guaranteed payment for one-half the capacity of thusandso prison
the prison must be making a profit at that level, otherwise it would be foolish to enter into the contract
which means all of the fixed expenses have already been covered by that 50% capacity
and that then tells us for each additional prisoner, the profit to thusandso company will increase by the amount of the 'contribution to fixed costs' covered entirely by 50% capacity. the economy of scale has moved in the company's favor
it is now in the profit generating interest of thusandso company to acquire as many prisoners as possible until capacity is reached
while that company cannot arrest and incarcerate the extra prisoners it needs to fill its facility, it has the motivation and the financial and political means to exert political pressure to see that arrests/convictions are sufficient to reach its profit targets
notice no such motivation exists in a government owned and operated facility because it is without a profit motive


Explain to me how, or why, they would fill empty beds on their own. Just go out and pick up hookers? vagrants? drug dealers?
it would, according to citizens united, exercise its free speech as a corporate person by bribing government officials ... in other words it would make legal campaign contributions to them. plus, it might wine and dine them, too; don't forget essential Christmas gifts

No different than the government agreeing to buy 500 new planes. The government is then on the hook for 500 planes at a given price. The contractor is on the hook to provide 500 planes at a given price.
actually, it is VERY different
it would be a firm fixed contract for known quantity and delivery. not so for the prison, which would likely be indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity
another significant distinction is the absence of exactitude for the prison
to build and deliver 500 drones, the manufacturer would not have to construct a facility. it would be able to lease/rent one if that facility was adequate to build 500 drones on the specified delivery schedule. once the drones were delivered, the manufacturer would no longer require the facility, thus eliminating it as an expensed item
as the prison does not know that it will never acquire more than the contracted number of prisoners, and for a specified period, it is unable to rent/lease such a unique facility that it requires to fulfill the contract
you have compared apples with mashed potatoes and told us they are 'no different'
 
Read more @: Bernie Sanders Plans to Introduce a Bill Banning For-Profit Prisons
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One of the biggest unspoken unjust variables of our criminal justice system. Keep it going Bernie!

I know the left is allergic to asking "Then what?" But this seems like an appropriate time to ask. Okay, so it is the day after for-profit prisons are banned, now what? Will the number of criminals change? Nope. Will the cost of detaining them change? Nope. Will the laws concerning prisoner care change? Nope. So other than poking a stick in the eye of private enterprise, what would be accomplished?

And what about UNICOR? They are a for-profit entity. Will they be sacrificed in the war on enterprise?
 
What control does a prison have over how many prisoners there are?

Lobbying and the almighty $$. Lets have them themselves explain it:
"The demand for our facilities and services could be adversely affected by the relaxation of enforcement efforts, leniency in conviction or parole standards and sentencing practices or through the decriminalization of certain activities that are currently proscribed by our criminal laws. For instance, any changes with respect to drugs and controlled substances or illegal immigration could affect the number of persons arrested, convicted, and sentenced, thereby potentially reducing demand for correctional facilities to house them. … Legislation has been proposed in numerous jurisdictions that could lower minimum sentences for some non-violent crimes and make more inmates eligible for early release based on good behavior."https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/04/28/how-for-profit-prisons-have-become-the-biggest-lobby-no-one-is-talking-about/
 
Lobbying and the almighty $$. Lets have them themselves explain it:
"The demand for our facilities and services could be adversely affected by the relaxation of enforcement efforts, leniency in conviction or parole standards and sentencing practices or through the decriminalization of certain activities that are currently proscribed by our criminal laws. For instance, any changes with respect to drugs and controlled substances or illegal immigration could affect the number of persons arrested, convicted, and sentenced, thereby potentially reducing demand for correctional facilities to house them. … Legislation has been proposed in numerous jurisdictions that could lower minimum sentences for some non-violent crimes and make more inmates eligible for early release based on good behavior."https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/04/28/how-for-profit-prisons-have-become-the-biggest-lobby-no-one-is-talking-about/

Okay, that's fair. I hadn't thought of lobbying. I would think that leans more towards influence than control, but it still counts.
 
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