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Hillary Clinton doesn't need to campaign

WCH said:
BTW: I hear Kerry thinks he's gonna win a Nobel prize and wants to run again.
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I wouldn't be surprised. If they award the prize to a terrorist like Yaser Arafat, awarding the architect of a negotiation loss would fit right in. I think the only people who care about the peace prize anymore are the recipients.
 
Considering it's awfully difficult for an incumbent Party to remain in power with a second executive figure, she absolutely needs to campaign. She just doesn't necessarily need to campaign for Sanders' crowd. She needs to throw them a couple of bones to make them happy enough, but she is facing a historical mountain to climb.

Aside from sheer ideological exhaustion (which 8 years and internal disputes shows), she has to sell herself to the greater public. Quite honestly, when Republicans ask "what has she done?" it's a really good question she's going to have to answer. She had an unremarkable career in the Senate and her tenure at the State Department was mixed at best. Some of that was undoubtedly as a result of personalities (would it be good to consider her profile in Obama's administration as 'strong' or merely 'noted') rather than necessarily giving her the helm at State or in the Senate, but it's a problem for a campaigner.
 
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keymanjim said:
Benghazi. /hillary.
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keymanjim said:
She got the proverbial 3AM phone call and she rolled over and fell back to sleep.
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keymanjim said:
If only I could. Those four would still be alive.
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keymanjim said:
For one thing, I wouldn't have ordered our Ambassador into a known terrorist hotbed. Then, had he insisted on going, I would have made sure he had ample security instead of relying on local militias.
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er uh Jim, repeating conservative narratives only proves your determination to believe them. the conservative entertainment complex appreciates your obedience but don’t you think you should get the simple facts right? In the 8 or so republican "investigations" into Benghazi, we learned that:

"The Board found that Ambassador Stevens made the decision to travel to Benghazi independently of Washington, per standard practice........His status as the leading U.S. government advocate on Libya policy, and his expertise on Benghazi in particular, caused Washington to give unusual deference to his judgments. "

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/12/18/202446.pdf

As this is a debate forum, you should be able to substantiate what you post. For instance if I said “if anybody but Bush was president, 4000 people would not have died on 9-11” I would be able to show Bush telling us it was his plan to invade Iraq on Day 1 of his presidency and then show the clear and repeated warnings Bush ignored.
 
Vern said:
er uh Jim, repeating conservative narratives only proves your determination to believe them.
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It doesn't hurt that they are also the truth.
 
keymanjim said:
It doesn't hurt that they are also the truth.
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you jim, I detected a certain chat room esque quality to your posts. But this is a debate forum. I posted one of the many republican "investigations" into Benghazi and it directly refuted your false claim

keymanjim said:
For one thing, I wouldn't have ordered our Ambassador into a known terrorist hotbed..
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its perfectly acceptable to ignore that you've posted something false at a chat room but it just doesn't belong in a debate forum. Here's a thread that will help bring you up to speed on what the conservative entertainment complex seems to have avoided telling you.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...zi-report-shreds-conservative-lies-again.html
 
Roadvirus said:
Sexist? Maybe a tad. But you can't deny the fact she's corrupt.
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LOL I can deny anything I want. I bet she won't let terrorists fly airplanes into our buildings, killing over 3000 innocents like the most corrupt administration in history did. And you are going to vote for his brother.
 
Roadvirus said:
Sexist? Maybe a tad. But you can't deny the fact she's corrupt.
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RV, the problem is you know she’s corrupt for the same reason Jim knew she ordered Ambassador Stevens to Benghazi, for the same reason most conservatives knew President Obama was born in Kenya and his BC is a forgery and wants to kill old people, for the same reason all conservatives knew the stimulus would cause hyperinflation, dollar collapse, market to zero. Because someone told you to think that.

To me corrupt is someone who ignores repeated and clear warnings about 9-11 because they have a secret agenda to invade Iraq and then lies about “intel” to fulfill that secret agenda and even treasonously out an undercover CIA agent. Let’s face it, by conservative standards, Bush fighting the formation of the 9-11 commission, refusing to speak to it under oath and would only speak in secret to the chairman and only for an hour and only with Dick holding his hand would have been more than enough proof to put Hillary or President Obama in jail for life.

Which makes me think, cons are so “overly” concerned about corruption so as to see it under every bed only since 1/20/2009 as if it will somehow make up for the fact that they not only did nothing about Bush’s vile and treasonous corruption but literally cheered it on.
 
Vern said:
RV, the problem is you know she’s corrupt for the same reason Jim knew she ordered Ambassador Stevens to Benghazi, for the same reason most conservatives knew President Obama was born in Kenya and his BC is a forgery and wants to kill old people, for the same reason all conservatives knew the stimulus would cause hyperinflation, dollar collapse, market to zero. Because someone told you to think that.

To me corrupt is someone who ignores repeated and clear warnings about 9-11 because they have a secret agenda to invade Iraq and then lies about “intel” to fulfill that secret agenda and even treasonously out an undercover CIA agent. Let’s face it, by conservative standards, Bush fighting the formation of the 9-11 commission, refusing to speak to it under oath and would only speak in secret to the chairman and only for an hour and only with Dick holding his hand would have been more than enough proof to put Hillary or President Obama in jail for life.

Which makes me think, cons are so “overly” concerned about corruption so as to see it under every bed only since 1/20/2009 as if it will somehow make up for the fact that they not only did nothing about Bush’s vile and treasonous corruption but literally cheered it on.
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Just for your reading enjoyment. With great pleasure I present Clinton's legacy (cause I care an ****):
Clinton e-mails had classified data from five intel agencies, including NSA « Hot Air

Kinda sucks to be a Hillary fan these days.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Just for your reading enjoyment. With great pleasure I present Clinton's legacy (cause I care an ****):
Clinton e-mails had classified data from five intel agencies, including NSA « Hot Air

Kinda sucks to be a Hillary fan these days.
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I’m sorry Nodog, I’m just not seeing corruption even with the hyped up stories of Hillary’s emails. It just seems every headline only confirms what conservatives already ‘knew’. You guys even blame her the “born in Kenya” thing. As jim showed, he was more than happy to believe Hillary ordered Ambassador Stevens to Benghazi. It was so easy for him to believe that because “HILLARY!!!!”

Now back to the point I was making but you curiously ignored, cons had nothing to say about bush’s treasonous and vile corruption involving Iraq. Of course, cons are quite happy to say “golly gee, Bush made a perfectly innocent mistake thinking Iraq had WMDs”. (for the sake of brevity, we’ll ignore the conservatives who still think we found WMDs). Yes, staggering incompetence by starting a war based on “faulty” intel is much preferred over “bush had a Day 1 agenda to invade irag had lied continuously to fulfill that secret agenda.” But bush did have a secret day 1 agenda to invade Iraq and did lie continuously to fulfill it. Lying repeatedly to fulfil a secret agenda is an excellent example of corruption, having your own email server not so much.

Since we now know Bush had a secret agenda to invade Iraq and the intel was not “faulty” just manipulated, it’s easy to see how the clear and repeated warnings of 9-11 could go unheeded. Suppressed even. Now after you read this memo from an FBI agent (and before you use the usual conservative excuses to ignore her claims) just remember that an “anonymous source” stating there were 2 stand down orders not to help Ambassador Stevens is why we have had 8 investigations into Benghazi. Every investigation proved it to be a lie yet the 9th investigation is underway.

The fact is that key FBIHQ personnel whose job it was to assist and coordinate with field division agents on terrorism investigations and the obtaining and use of FISA searches (and who theoretically were privy to many more sources of intelligence information than field division agents), continued to, almost inexplicably,5 throw up roadblocks and undermine Minneapolis' by-now desperate efforts to obtain a FISA search warrant, long after the French intelligence service provided its information and probable cause became clear. HQ personnel brought up almost ridiculous questions in their apparent efforts to undermine the probable cause.6 In all of their conversations and correspondence, HQ personnel never disclosed to the Minneapolis agents that the Phoenix Division had, only approximately three weeks earlier, warned of Al Qaeda operatives in flight schools seeking flight training for terrorist purposes!

TIME.com: Coleen Rowley's Memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller

9 investigations does seem a bit much. I’d settle for a second 9-11 investigation.
 
Vern said:
I’m sorry Nodog, I’m just not seeing corruption even with the hyped up stories of Hillary’s emails.
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I bet that hurts, banging around with your eyes closed.

All that other stuff? I started to read your post and realized you ping around like a super ball with all the pontificating obfuscation and diversion. I stopped reading it. It was pretty much blah blah bush did it blah blah France blah Bush did it blah flight schools blah blah wmds blah blah I have a pineapple blah orange stuff blah blah submarines blah blah broken chair.
 
nota bene said:
Her voice does repel. She's very shrill, and as I've posted many times over the years here at DP, I cannot imagine suffering through four years of it.
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Odd thought just popped into my head. If Laura Osnes was running for President (She can't; she's not old enough.) would you vote for her?

It's a nonsensical thought, really. Surely, there are far more important reasons to support or oppose a political candidate than the quality of his or her voice.

But your remark clicked a connection, in my head, with another thread in which we were discussing someone whose vocal characteristics are as impressive and wonderful as Mrs. Clinton's are shrill and irritating.
 
Roadvirus said:
Sexist? Maybe a tad. But you can't deny the fact she's corrupt.
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Apparently, it's sexist to object to corruption, if the person who is corrupt is a woman.

Just as objecting to the corrupt and destructive policies of our current President can only possibly be born of racism.
 
NonoBadDog said:
I bet that hurts, banging around with your eyes closed.
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why am I banging around with my eyes closed? I'm just pointing out what corruption looks like and how cons ignored it when convenient. And it was such massive and treasonous corruption too. Also I don't put "private email" server into that category and you were unable to explain it or the massive treasonous corruption of Bush and republicans. Hence the rest of your post was childish deflection. typical.
 
Vern said:
why am I banging around with my eyes closed? I'm just pointing out what corruption looks like and how cons ignored it when convenient. And it was such massive and treasonous corruption too. Also I don't put "private email" server into that category and you were unable to explain it or the massive treasonous corruption of Bush and republicans. Hence the rest of your post was childish deflection. typical.
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You are repeating a mantra that is as faulty as it is slanted. You stated that you "can not see". I believe that you can't see. You do damage to your credibility by publicly acknowledging that you can't see corruption. Corruption is corruption, not matter who is doing it. I was never a Bush fan. I cringed when he came on TV. I still don't think that two wrongs make a right and the ends justifies the means. You can if you want. It is your right.

I put a personal server in the multiple felony category, along with perjury. It isn't perjury yet but it will be before the end of the week if Judge Sullivan's court order is enforced.

The rest of the post is all over the place with issues.
 
NonoBadDog said:
You are repeating a mantra that is as faulty as it is slanted. You stated that you "can not see". I believe that you can't see. You do damage to your credibility by publicly acknowledging that you can't see corruption. Corruption is corruption, not matter who is doing it. I was never a Bush fan. I cringed when he came on TV. I still don't think that two wrongs make a right and the ends justifies the means. You can if you want. It is your right.

I put a personal server in the multiple felony category, along with perjury. It isn't perjury yet but it will be before the end of the week if Judge Sullivan's court order is enforced.

The rest of the post is all over the place with issues.
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so you're saying "private email" server is multiple felonies. mmmmm, I think you need to stop getting your information from the same people who told you President Obama was born in Kenya, forged BC, wants to kill old people, the stimulus will cause hyper inflation, dollar collapse market to zero, and Obamacare will (put any one of thousands of lying conservative narratives here). Oh, and those people never mentioned the massive and treasonous corruption of Bush.
 
Vern said:
so you're saying "private email" server is multiple felonies.
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I suspect that if I produced the information you would ignore it and go on with a rant about how Bush sucks.
 
This situation with Hillary is going to be as fun as the Gore recount. maybe even funner. Maybe we can see a candidate arrested during a campaign for the first time in history. That would be awesome.
 
pbrauer said:
Whos gona care about emails on election day?
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Voters in Florida, Ohio, Virginia and Wisconsin if Jeb is the nominee and polling trends hold true
 
NonoBadDog said:
This situation with Hillary is going to be as fun as the Gore recount. maybe even funner. Maybe we can see a candidate arrested during a campaign for the first time in history. That would be awesome.
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She's not going to be arrested. The offense would have to be pretty severe for law enforcement to do that in a campaign, and if she becomes pres there will be no authority to arrest her unless she's impeached and convicted
 
EMNofSeattle said:
She's not going to be arrested. The offense would have to be pretty severe for law enforcement to do that in a campaign, and if she becomes pres there will be no authority to arrest her unless she's impeached and convicted
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I hope not, the Republicans need her running. It still would be funny. In some cases they couldn't avoid it however.
 
no way that Trump wins the nomination. he would have had to peak at a different point in the race. one thing's for sure, though : Clinton doesn't have to do much right now, and neither does Bush. both can just bide their time while the NotClintons and NotBushes fistfight.
 
Vern said:
I’m sorry Nodog, I’m just not seeing corruption even with the hyped up stories of Hillary’s emails. It just seems every headline only confirms what conservatives already ‘knew’. You guys even blame her the “born in Kenya” thing. As jim showed, he was more than happy to believe Hillary ordered Ambassador Stevens to Benghazi. It was so easy for him to believe that because “HILLARY!!!!”

Now back to the point I was making but you curiously ignored, cons had nothing to say about bush’s treasonous and vile corruption involving Iraq. Of course, cons are quite happy to say “golly gee, Bush made a perfectly innocent mistake thinking Iraq had WMDs”. (for the sake of brevity, we’ll ignore the conservatives who still think we found WMDs). Yes, staggering incompetence by starting a war based on “faulty” intel is much preferred over “bush had a Day 1 agenda to invade irag had lied continuously to fulfill that secret agenda.” But bush did have a secret day 1 agenda to invade Iraq and did lie continuously to fulfill it. Lying repeatedly to fulfil a secret agenda is an excellent example of corruption, having your own email server not so much.

Since we now know Bush had a secret agenda to invade Iraq and the intel was not “faulty” just manipulated, it’s easy to see how the clear and repeated warnings of 9-11 could go unheeded. Suppressed even. Now after you read this memo from an FBI agent (and before you use the usual conservative excuses to ignore her claims) just remember that an “anonymous source” stating there were 2 stand down orders not to help Ambassador Stevens is why we have had 8 investigations into Benghazi. Every investigation proved it to be a lie yet the 9th investigation is underway.

The fact is that key FBIHQ personnel whose job it was to assist and coordinate with field division agents on terrorism investigations and the obtaining and use of FISA searches (and who theoretically were privy to many more sources of intelligence information than field division agents), continued to, almost inexplicably,5 throw up roadblocks and undermine Minneapolis' by-now desperate efforts to obtain a FISA search warrant, long after the French intelligence service provided its information and probable cause became clear. HQ personnel brought up almost ridiculous questions in their apparent efforts to undermine the probable cause.6 In all of their conversations and correspondence, HQ personnel never disclosed to the Minneapolis agents that the Phoenix Division had, only approximately three weeks earlier, warned of Al Qaeda operatives in flight schools seeking flight training for terrorist purposes!

TIME.com: Coleen Rowley's Memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller

9 investigations does seem a bit much. I’d settle for a second 9-11 investigation.
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In 2002 Hilary Clinton said that Saddam Hussein was giving aid and comfort to Al Qaeda.

Did SHE have a secret plan to invade Iraq ?
 
Fenton said:
In 2002 Hilary Clinton said that Saddam Hussein was giving aid and comfort to Al Qaeda.

Did SHE have a secret plan to invade Iraq ?
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Of fenton, your inability to grasp the simplest concepts will never cease to be funny. Fenton, bush had a secret agenda to invade Iraq. We know this because he told us. Your deflect-O-questions don’t change that fact. and he only told us because his treasury sec ratted him out. Yea, ratted because he was trying to keep his secret agenda to invade Iraq a secret. anyhoo, once you stop trying to make that fact go away, the clear and repeated warnings bush ignored that could have prevented 9-11 makes perfect sense. Oh, that’s why you try to deflect and spin away the fact that bush had a secret agenda to invade Iraq.
 
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