GOP must stand for Gratuitous Obama Paranoia

D_NATURED · Jul 6, 2015

Hey, I know Texas isn't the intellectual Mecca of our country and I think this story could have been centered in any rural community but the amount of paranoia, especially with regard to firearm ownership, is palpable in Republicans. Why is that? Are they overcompensating for some nagging realization in the back of their conservative minds which secretly understands that guns are not tools of justice or freedom? That they are more often used to dispense revenge and oppression? That possessing them does not guaranty their owners will not be subjugated or killed by anyone?

I wonder what they're actually afraid of. Obviously, it's not being shot accidentally, or on purpose, by another. Certainly there's no fear of having their guns stolen and used in a crime against the innocent. I think government power is frightening to them because it gives equal protection to gays and blacks and atheists. I think that government power threatens the very communities who pride themselves on being free of these "perversions" and, thus, closer to the WASP god. I think guns give back a little of the lost sense of power in people who have watched their privilege get incrementally "redistributed" and they don't trust the black guy not to keep at it until they are where they have put others in the past.

I think what they're afraid of is that everyone is as elitist and as cruel as they've been and guns offer a last stand, "Alamo", option that their victims never had. What do you think?

Some Texans fear Obama-led military invasion

X Factor · Jul 6, 2015

beerftw · Jul 6, 2015

D_NATURED said:
Hey, I know Texas isn't the intellectual Mecca of our country and I think this story could have been centered in any rural community but the amount of paranoia, especially with regard to firearm ownership, is palpable in Republicans. Why is that? Are they overcompensating for some nagging realization in the back of their conservative minds which secretly understands that guns are not tools of justice or freedom? That they are more often used to dispense revenge and oppression? That possessing them does not guaranty their owners will not be subjugated or killed by anyone?

I wonder what they're actually afraid of. Obviously, it's not being shot accidentally, or on purpose, by another. Certainly there's no fear of having their guns stolen and used in a crime against the innocent. I think government power is frightening to them because it gives equal protection to gays and blacks and atheists. I think that government power threatens the very communities who pride themselves on being free of these "perversions" and, thus, closer to the WASP god. I think guns give back a little of the lost sense of power in people who have watched their privilege get incrementally "redistributed" and they don't trust the black guy not to keep at it until they are where they have put others in the past.

I think what they're afraid of is that everyone is as elitist and as cruel as they've been and guns offer a last stand, "Alamo", option that their victims never had. What do you think?

Some Texans fear Obama-led military invasion

see the bolded,given that texas was where much of the computer revolution was started,as well as the micro computer revolution,and still houses many of the top technology firms,i would say they are pretty close.

oh and if you dont believe me google tandy and texas instruments,the trs-80 was one of the first personal computers competing in the same year as the apple 2,texas instruments made quite a few microprocessors,some still in use today by the military,or we can just add silicon prairie ro the list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Prairie

D_NATURED · Jul 7, 2015

beerftw said:
see the bolded,given that texas was where much of the computer revolution was started,as well as the micro computer revolution,and still houses many of the top technology firms,i would say they are pretty close.

oh and if you dont believe me google tandy and texas instruments,the trs-80 was one of the first personal computers competing in the same year as the apple 2,texas instruments made quite a few microprocessors,some still in use today by the military,or we can just add silicon prairie ro the list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Prairie

I'm sort of happy to see that the only point you can argue against is that Texas is lacking intellectualism. I guess I should have specified "amongst its leadership".

D_NATURED · Jul 7, 2015

X Factor said:

I'll admit my style is more "in your face" and never claimed that subtlety was my strong suit. However, I think there is an obvious pathology at play here where fear and paranoia drive much of conservative thinking and I'd like to hear an honest opinion on that. Who knows, maybe there's enough fear to go around on both sides of the political aisle. Maybe it's WHAT we're afraid of rather than IF. Regardless, who thinks fear is the proper motivator for political action? What about the land of the brave?

Zyphlin · Jul 7, 2015

Moderator's Warning:

Moved to more appropriate location

BWG · Jul 7, 2015

You could probably chalk up talk like this to a few who suffer with a severe case of Paranoid personality disorder (PPD).

But what about highly elected officials who pander to these folks?

Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has ordered the Texas State Guard to “monitor” Jade Helm 15.

Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, a Republican presidential hopeful, has said he understands “the reason for concern and uncertainty, because . . . the federal government has not demonstrated itself to be trustworthy in this administration.”

D_NATURED · Jul 7, 2015

BWG said:
You could probably chalk up talk like this to a few who suffer with a severe case of Paranoid personality disorder (PPD).

But what about highly elected officials who pander to these folks?

Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has ordered the Texas State Guard to “monitor” Jade Helm 15.

Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, a Republican presidential hopeful, has said he understands “the reason for concern and uncertainty, because . . . the federal government has not demonstrated itself to be trustworthy in this administration.”

So, the problem starts at the top? Do you think they are merely pandering to the paranoid or exploiting and fueling the paranoia for political gain? Certainly they don't really believe in the same things their constituents appear to believe. If they really do, my concerns about the state of Texas, and the GOP in general, are justified. There is a sort of side show quality to segments of the GOP that I find confusing and frightening.

Riveroaks · Jul 17, 2015

Since Texas and Utah were designated as the enemy states in the military exercises, I suppose they both have a right to be worried.

Because the US military is training in desert and semi desert lands, it merely suggests that they are getting prepared in case they need to pull off yet another Middle Eastern expeditionary operation.

The military should shift their training to Wash State, Oregon, and Idaho to get ready for Putin in Poland however.

beerftw · Jul 19, 2015

Riveroaks said:
Since Texas and Utah were designated as the enemy states in the military exercises, I suppose they both have a right to be worried.

Because the US military is training in desert and semi desert lands, it merely suggests that they are getting prepared in case they need to pull off yet another Middle Eastern expeditionary operation.

The military should shift their training to Wash State, Oregon, and Idaho to get ready for Putin in Poland however.

texas is mostly green,with its southern and far western half being deser,and utah has quite extensive pine forests,although being mostly desert,does not chime well with middle eastern conflict.the best two areas for that are ntc in california mirroring iraq and 29 stumps marine base mirroring afghanistan,both in california.

beerftw · Jul 20, 2015

BWG said:
You could probably chalk up talk like this to a few who suffer with a severe case of Paranoid personality disorder (PPD).

But what about highly elected officials who pander to these folks?

Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has ordered the Texas State Guard to “monitor” Jade Helm 15.

Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, a Republican presidential hopeful, has said he understands “the reason for concern and uncertainty, because . . . the federal government has not demonstrated itself to be trustworthy in this administration.”

truthfully the dederal govt itself has not been seen as trustworther since the cripple crek massacre and the battle of blair mountain,when the us army bombed west virginia just for unionizing,neither are taught in history books,but both occured,and both had federal backing.

also to note that same federal govt allowed amd ordered the massacre of millions of native americans in order to promote a few bussines,the us in the last 200 years has commited genocide far worse than most our enemies,yet we think ourselves moral and believe what a govt did 1000 times is 100% impossible to happen 1001 times.

Fenton · Jul 21, 2015

D_NATURED said:
Hey, I know Texas isn't the intellectual Mecca of our country and I think this story could have been centered in any rural community but the amount of paranoia, especially with regard to firearm ownership, is palpable in Republicans. Why is that? Are they overcompensating for some nagging realization in the back of their conservative minds which secretly understands that guns are not tools of justice or freedom? That they are more often used to dispense revenge and oppression? That possessing them does not guaranty their owners will not be subjugated or killed by anyone?

I wonder what they're actually afraid of. Obviously, it's not being shot accidentally, or on purpose, by another. Certainly there's no fear of having their guns stolen and used in a crime against the innocent. I think government power is frightening to them because it gives equal protection to gays and blacks and atheists. I think that government power threatens the very communities who pride themselves on being free of these "perversions" and, thus, closer to the WASP god. I think guns give back a little of the lost sense of power in people who have watched their privilege get incrementally "redistributed" and they don't trust the black guy not to keep at it until they are where they have put others in the past.

I think what they're afraid of is that everyone is as elitist and as cruel as they've been and guns offer a last stand, "Alamo", option that their victims never had. What do you think?

Some Texans fear Obama-led military invasion

Lol...at least we know how to grow a economy.

It's much more that can be said for the "intellectual mecca " that is California.

Vern · Jul 21, 2015

beerftw said:
truthfully the dederal govt itself has not been seen as trustworther since the cripple crek massacre and the battle of blair mountain,when the us army bombed west virginia just for unionizing,neither are taught in history books,but both occured,and both had federal backing.

also to note that same federal govt allowed amd ordered the massacre of millions of native americans in order to promote a few bussines,the us in the last 200 years has commited genocide far worse than most our enemies,yet we think ourselves moral and believe what a govt did 1000 times is 100% impossible to happen 1001 times.

I’m not seeing “don’t trust the federal gov’t” aspect of your specific examples. I am seeing the corporate profit motive/greed aspect of your specific examples. But don’t forget how we’ve undermined democracy throughout the world and the millions who suffered and died because of corporate greed.

Specifically, we estimate the effect of secret United States, as well as allied, government decisions to overthrow foreign governments on the stock prices of companies that stood to benefit from regime change.
Coups, Corporations, and Classified Information

And just like the coups we supported to undermine democracy throughout the world, invading Iraq benefitted a specific corporation. The only problem I have is what corporation benefitted when Reagan not only ignored Iraq gassing 100,000 kurds in 1988 but actually tried to blame Iran?

"The United States almost certainly knew from its own satellite imagery that Saddam was using chemical weapons against Iranian troops. When Saddam bombed Kurdish rebels and civilians with a lethal cocktail of mustard gas, sarin, tabun and VX in 1988, the Reagan administration first blamed Iran, before acknowledging, under pressure from congressional Democrats, that the culprits were Saddam's own forces. "

http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/167/34978.html

It was such a heinous act that it was used 15 years later to help justify Bush’s illegal invasion. Oddly it wasn’t heinous at all to Reagan. So I think one of the best ways to prevent such acts acts in the name of corporate profits is to simply not vote republican. Wait, are you bringing up this country’s sordid past to justify the rantings of delusional imbeciles in Texas and the conservative politicians pandering to them?

beerftw · Jul 21, 2015

Vern said:
I’m not seeing “don’t trust the federal gov’t” aspect of your specific examples. I am seeing the corporate profit motive/greed aspect of your specific examples. But don’t forget how we’ve undermined democracy throughout the world and the millions who suffered and died because of corporate greed.

Specifically, we estimate the effect of secret United States, as well as allied, government decisions to overthrow foreign governments on the stock prices of companies that stood to benefit from regime change.
Coups, Corporations, and Classified Information

And just like the coups we supported to undermine democracy throughout the world, invading Iraq benefitted a specific corporation. The only problem I have is what corporation benefitted when Reagan not only ignored Iraq gassing 100,000 kurds in 1988 but actually tried to blame Iran?

"The United States almost certainly knew from its own satellite imagery that Saddam was using chemical weapons against Iranian troops. When Saddam bombed Kurdish rebels and civilians with a lethal cocktail of mustard gas, sarin, tabun and VX in 1988, the Reagan administration first blamed Iran, before acknowledging, under pressure from congressional Democrats, that the culprits were Saddam's own forces. "

http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/167/34978.html

It was such a heinous act that it was used 15 years later to help justify Bush’s illegal invasion. Oddly it wasn’t heinous at all to Reagan. So I think one of the best ways to prevent such acts acts in the name of corporate profits is to simply not vote republican. Wait, are you bringing up this country’s sordid past to justify the rantings of delusional imbeciles in Texas and the conservative politicians pandering to them?

technically it is good reason to deem govt untrustworthy when they used military force on its own citizens,saying it was the fault of corporate interest is not true,unless the govt was so inept it had no means of retraint which even that in itself would make it untrustworthy.

PIPEWRENCH · Jul 21, 2015

I know what Texas is worried about.

The federal government giving out millions of assault rifles to the Mexican cartel. Then there is the immigration policy which rewards criminals with citizenships. The jails are already full and most border states are going bankrupt trying to deal with the criminals. An immigration policy that punishes the law abiding while creating a path for criminals who enter the country illegally to become citizen. I think Clinton supports that plan as well. I would be worried about a federal government that is this screwed up bringing an army into my state. Whether cowboy Bush or the puppet Obama who supported most of Bushes policies that attacked the rights of the average citizens is Liar in Chief and leading the army.

Vern · Jul 21, 2015

beerftw said:
technically it is good reason to deem govt untrustworthy when they used military force on its own citizens,saying it was the fault of corporate interest is not true,unless the govt was so inept it had no means of retraint which even that in itself would make it untrustworthy.

er uh beer, your specific examples didn't involve the federal govt other than letting corp interests do what they wanted. Oh that's right, you posted the "the us army bombed west Virginia". I'm not aware of that. I think you made that up. And again, if you're truly concerned about such things, I think one of the best ways to prevent such things is to stop voting republican.

but again, I cant help but believe you are you bringing up this country’s sordid conservative past to justify the rantings of delusional imbeciles in Texas and the conservative politicians pandering to them.

beerftw · Jul 21, 2015

Vern said:
er uh beer, your specific examples didn't involve the federal govt other than letting corp interests do what they wanted. Oh that's right, you posted the "the us army bombed west Virginia". I'm not aware of that. I think you made that up. And again, if you're truly concerned about such things, I think one of the best ways to prevent such things is to stop voting republican.

but again, I cant help but believe you are you bringing up this country’s sordid conservative past to justify the rantings of delusional imbeciles in Texas and the conservative politicians pandering to them.

both examples used military force against us citizens,uness you can prove anywhere in law where corporations have the power to activate the military,you are dead wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PIPEWRENCH · Jul 21, 2015

Ludlow Massacre

A lot more than 2,000 miles separated the Rockefeller estate from Southern Colorado when on Monday April 20, 1914, the first shot was fired at Ludlow. One of history's most dramatic confrontations between capital and labor -- the so-called Ludlow Massacre -- took place at the mines of the Rockefeller-owned Colorado Fuel and Iron Company (CF&I).

The face-off raged for 14 hours, during which the miners' tent colony was pelted with machine gun fire and ultimately torched by the state militia. A number of people were killed, among them two women and 11 children who suffocated in a pit they had dug under their tent. The deaths were blamed on John D. Rockefeller, Jr. For years, he would struggle to redress the situation -- and strengthen the Rockefeller social conscience in the process.

Looks like the states get into the act of killing citizens as well. I guess if you are the 1% we worship murderers in this country.

Vern · Jul 23, 2015

beerftw said:
both examples used military force against us citizens,uness you can prove anywhere in law where corporations have the power to activate the military,you are dead wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for reiterating you claim. I know in “conservative world” that proves it to you. Here in the real world I was looking for you to back up your claim. And even Wikipedia (the conservatives best friend) makes no claim about “federal govt bombing civilians”. At least not yet any way. It mentions the coal company renting planes to drop bombs on the miners. In that example, federal troops came into quell the violence. and in your other specific example, its a state militia and just like the first, don't seem to have done anything wrong. I think a better example of federal govt using force against Americans would be MacArthur’s rout of the Bonus Army. Its more recent than our treatment of Indians and while not as disgusting and vile, it affected white people. That’s probably why so few Americans are aware of it. But that was more a function of MacArthur's insubordination.

again, I cant help but believe you are you bringing up this country’s sordid conservative past to justify the rantings of delusional imbeciles in Texas and the conservative politicians pandering to them. Hey, I know, reiterate your claim. That’ll prove this time for sure.

beerftw · Jul 23, 2015

Vern said:
Thank you for reiterating you claim. I know in “conservative world” that proves it to you. Here in the real world I was looking for you to back up your claim. And even Wikipedia (the conservatives best friend) makes no claim about “federal govt bombing civilians”. At least not yet any way. It mentions the coal company renting planes to drop bombs on the miners. In that example, federal troops came into quell the violence. and in your other specific example, its a state militia and just like the first, don't seem to have done anything wrong. I think a better example of federal govt using force against Americans would be MacArthur’s rout of the Bonus Army. Its more recent than our treatment of Indians and while not as disgusting and vile, it affected white people. That’s probably why so few Americans are aware of it. But that was more a function of MacArthur's insubordination.

again, I cant help but believe you are you bringing up this country’s sordid conservative past to justify the rantings of delusional imbeciles in Texas and the conservative politicians pandering to them. Hey, I know, reiterate your claim. That’ll prove this time for sure.

i will have to dig up more on blair mountain,the wiki is kinda almost empty.cripple creek was the militia called,which still quite easily shows govt corruption.

plus not to mention the millions of native americans massacred many of which by the us military,only later to get very little in return,infact despite dual citizenship,native american tribes were not protected by free speech until 3 years after the cra of 1965.

Vern · Jul 23, 2015

beerftw said:
i will have to dig up more on blair mountain,the wiki is kinda almost empty.cripple creek was the militia called,which still quite easily shows govt corruption.

plus not to mention the millions of native americans massacred many of which by the us military,only later to get very little in return,infact despite dual citizenship,native american tribes were not protected by free speech until 3 years after the cra of 1965.

Yes beer, the abuse of native americans is a sad chapter of American history as is our routine attacks on freedom throughout the world by supporting the overthrow of democratic govts when it was convenient or profitable. But none of those sad examples in any way justify the delusional and partisan paranoia spewed by conservatives in Texas and the politicians pandering to them in Texas. So you don't need to bother finally getting the facts straight about the examples you posted that you felt justified the rantings of delusional imbeciles in Texas and the conservative politicians pandering to them.

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