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Obama Heckled at White House Gay Pride Event.....

MMC said:


Quite noticeable was the comment he made saying that the WH, is my House. Naturally, the leftwad of lameness started chuckling and laughing at this. Which clearly they can't figure out that.....the WH is not BO Peep's house. It is that of the Peoples.
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There are many things I don't like about Obama - MANY - but this is not one of them. Technically, yes, it is taxpayer property, but tenants of apartments and rented houses, and they often refer to those units as "their homes."

I'm not, however, a fan of hecklers. While I don't care for this president, the Office of the Presidency demands respect. I would have arrested the guy and escorted him to a time-out in the pokey.
 
MMC said:
Not if I didn't own it, do you always run around claiming things are yours that you don't own?
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Yea, I do. I tell people to step in to my office even though technically it's my companies office, I tell the IT guy that my computer is having issues even though it's the companies computer, in college I referred to the condo that I rented as "my condo", in high school I referred to the car that my parents owned and let me drive as "my car".

Are you telling me you've never done any of these things?
 
cpwill said:
It's a different issue with the White House, which is Our House that we have for Our Chief Public Servant.

Mind you, the protestor was being extremely rude - you don't heckle the F'ing President of the United States. Citizens are expected to have at least as much respect for the office and the White House as we would hope the President would have.

So, I would say, minor verbal tic by the POTUS, major faux pas by the heckler who, I hope, got dragged out of there after making an ass of itself.
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Mornin CPW. :2wave: They let him go on for a few and then he was removed by the SS.
 
cpwill said:
I rent at current, and so that was the first thing that popped into my head as well. I decided against it not because I don't understand the appeal of the analogy, but because I think that the relationship between myself and a landlord (Transactional; I give him money, he gives me use of a house) is different than the relationship between us and the President (Service; He asks us for immense personal power, a plane, a house, etc.; we decide whether or not we want to give it to him).
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When you were living in the barracks or in government quarters, or in off-post housing that the people of America were paying you BHA on, did you tell your buddies to "come over to the American people's apartment"?
 
roughdraft274 said:
Yes, technically incorrect. But so is every other instance that we've looked at. Every single instance was "technically incorrect". But in reality, when someone resides somewhere for 6 years, they refer to it as their house because it's easier than saying "this is the place that I live in".

It seems like the entire argument here is "he has too much power to use a common expression that everyone else uses".
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:shrug: just as the argument is "it is wrong to heckle the President because it's rude". No one is trying to declare a legal restriction, only what you should do. The President has a different relationship with the people than you do with the person you rent your house from. He's not paying us for it, in fact, quite the opposite. The President also wields immense personal power that comes with that house; and the more power you are trusted with, the more humble you should be about it's source.

Obama was claiming personal offense - I invited you into my house. He wasn't claiming that it was rude to the Office of the Presidency or the White House in General (both of those would have been excellent arguments), but that it was an affront to him.

As you point out, it's a perfectly understandable (and common) tic. It just happens to be magnified because of who he is, who actually owns that house and what the relationship is between him and the owner. I do think that the man is a narcissist and I do think that that probably fed part of why he would be more susceptible to this tic. I just also think that, of all the things he's done that irritates me, this is pretty bottom-of-the-barrel stuff.

But I think for the most part we agree. Technically what he said is incorrect. He doesn't own the house. But anyone with half a brain should understand what he said and that it's a common expression and shouldn't get butt-hurt over it, as it appears you didn't.
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:shrug: it's really not worth it. But, we live in the days of the Outrage Machine. Can You Believe That Politician X Said THIS!?! Number 14 Will Shock You!" :roll:
 
pbrauer said:
The president did the correct thing, enough said.
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Stutter Pete? Cmon now......all he needed to do was put some bass into his voice. Give the nod to the SS and this guy was out of there.
 
soot said:
When you were living in the barracks or in government quarters, or in off-post housing that the people of America were paying you BHA on, did you tell your buddies to "come over to the American people's apartment"?
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:shrug: the barracks room I lived in was not a public institution like the White House is. Again, the President is different from lower-order public servants, and the White House is different from a room that you rent.
 
ludin said:
even if you rent it isn't yours. it belongs to someone else IE the landlord.
you are simply a guest staying there.

same goes for the president. he is a renter nothing more. he doesn't own it. if he owned it then he
would simply stay there after his presidency is over but he can't.
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Mornin Ludin :2wave: That's Right......he can't structurally change the place unless it is with anothers permission.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: the barracks room I lived in was not a public institution like the White House is. Again, the President is different from lower-order public servants, and the White House is different from a room that you rent.
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The White House is a public institution, sure, but it's also the man's government-provided quarters.
 
MMC said:
Mornin Ludin :2wave: That's Right......he can't structurally change the place unless it is with anothers permission.
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Right.

Just like I couldn't renovate my room in the barracks.

But I still called it "my" room.

Come to think of it, I called things "my" weapon, "my" Bradley, "my" TA-50.

Clearly I was not the personal owner of an armored fighting vehicle or an M249, but I still considered the things that were issued to me "my" things, and I was expected to care for them as though they were "my" things.

Much ado about absolutely nothing going on here.
 
soot said:
The White House is a public institution, sure, but it's also the man's government-provided quarters.
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Part of it is. Were they in that section?
 
cpwill said:
Part of it is. Were they in that section?
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Same thing if some drunken REMF was up in the dayroom pissing on the floor.

I didn't have any personal claim to the dayroom but it was still "my" dayroom and said REMF would fin himself on the business end of a pool cue for disrespecting "my" space.
 
soot said:
Same thing if some drunken REMF was up in the dayroom pissing on the floor.

I didn't have any personal claim to the dayroom but it was still "my" dayroom and said REMF would fin himself on the business end of a pool cue for disrespecting "my" space.
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:shrug: we would have said "our". Because it wasn't "my" barracks, it was the [Unit Name] Barracks.
 
Obama knows the Whitehouse belongs to the citizens of the US. He is one of them by the way. But he resides there and was making a joke. And "the government building in which I reside" just doesn't sound as witty as "my house".

Lots of things the guy can legitimately be criticized for. This isn't one of them.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Yea, I do. I tell people to step in to my office even though technically it's my companies office, I tell the IT guy that my computer is having issues even though it's the companies computer, in college I referred to the condo that I rented as "my condo", in high school I referred to the car that my parents owned and let me drive as "my car".

Are you telling me you've never done any of these things?
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Nope I haven't. When I was young and kicked out on the streets at 15.....I stayed in one of the Hotel like apts. Until I got an apartment. Then like a many others I hung out with and worked with, I called it the Crib. Lets head back to the crib. Or the Sanctuary.

At 16 I joined the Army and then knew.....Everything else and including myself. Was government property.

Then I rented again until one day.....I went bought a house and a lil piece of the ground.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Lol. He's live there for 6 years. Calling it his house is an easy way of saying "I live here."

This is the kind of thing that people only get butt hurt over when it's a politician that they don't agree with politically.

Btw, if the white house belongs to the people of the US, then does it not belong to him as well since he's a citizen?

I swear, get your panties out of a wad and don't panic over the stupid stuff.
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You're the one with panty in a wad, why don't you concentrate on the actual topic?
 
HowardBThiname said:
There are many things I don't like about Obama - MANY - but this is not one of them. Technically, yes, it is taxpayer property, but tenants of apartments and rented houses, and they often refer to those units as "their homes."

I'm not, however, a fan of hecklers. While I don't care for this president, the Office of the Presidency demands respect. I would have arrested the guy and escorted him to a time-out in the pokey.
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Mornin Howard. :2wave: Well I disagree with the heckler issue. Its not like BO would take time out to have a couple minutes with him. Guess he could write a letter and hope to get a response from someone other than in BO's staff. Other than his moment now.....more than likely would never get one.

Still the MS Media was going with the story.....basically due to them believing BO scolded this guy.
 
MMC said:
Nope I haven't. When I was young and kicked out on the streets at 15.....I stayed in one of the Hotel like apts. Until I got an apartment. Then like a many others I hung out with and worked with, I called it the Crib. Lets head back to the crib. Or the Sanctuary.

At 16 I joined the Army and then knew.....Everything else and including myself. Was government property.

Then I rented again until one day.....I went bought a house and a lil piece of the ground.
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Uh-huh. And when you were in the military you never referred to your gun as "my gun"?

If you are really saying that you have never said "my blank" in reference to something that you didn't actually own then you're a liar. Period. I'm sure that you always called it "the crib" and not "my crib" lol.

Such dishonesty.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: just as the argument is "it is wrong to heckle the President because it's rude". No one is trying to declare a legal restriction, only what you should do. The President has a different relationship with the people than you do with the person you rent your house from. He's not paying us for it, in fact, quite the opposite. The President also wields immense personal power that comes with that house; and the more power you are trusted with, the more humble you should be about it's source.

Obama was claiming personal offense - I invited you into my house. He wasn't claiming that it was rude to the Office of the Presidency or the White House in General (both of those would have been excellent arguments), but that it was an affront to him.

As you point out, it's a perfectly understandable (and common) tic. It just happens to be magnified because of who he is, who actually owns that house and what the relationship is between him and the owner. I do think that the man is a narcissist and I do think that that probably fed part of why he would be more susceptible to this tic. I just also think that, of all the things he's done that irritates me, this is pretty bottom-of-the-barrel stuff.



:shrug: it's really not worth it. But, we live in the days of the Outrage Machine. Can You Believe That Politician X Said THIS!?! Number 14 Will Shock You!" :roll:
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Yep, just ask Sarah Palin and Johnny Quest McCain.
 
American said:
You're the one with panty in a wad, why don't you concentrate on the actual topic?
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It was mentioned in the first post on this thread so it's on topic. If you have a problem report it. Otherwise quit yer bitching.
 
roughdraft274 said:
It was mentioned in the first post on this thread so it's on topic. If you have a problem report it. Otherwise quit yer bitching.
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You're the one bitching.
 
soot said:
Right.

Just like I couldn't renovate my room in the barracks.

But I still called it "my" room.

Come to think of it, I called things "my" weapon, "my" Bradley, "my" TA-50.

Clearly I was not the personal owner of an armored fighting vehicle or an M249, but I still considered the things that were issued to me "my" things, and I was expected to care for them as though they were "my" things.

Much ado about absolutely nothing going on here.
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Mornin Soot. :2wave: Could you have added on an addition? Built another structure and attached it to your room?

Well I did have to call the M16 my weapon......I also had to let others know the difference between my weapon and my gun. :lol:

Drill Sgt made me give that public speech once.
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roughdraft274 said:
Have you never heard someone say "this is my apartment" even though they are merely renting it? "This is my house" even though they are renting it? "This is my car" even though they owe money on it and the bank has the title to it?
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I know it's not outrage. That's why I called it pout-rage. It has more of a whiny tone to it than actual outrage.
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Yes ... I've heard those things ... but Obama isn't renting the White House nor making payments toward eventual ownership.
Conversely have you ever heard anyone tell a renter or a mortgagee that they're living in The People's House?
Maybe if there was an Obama 3rd term he'd propose such a thing, but not yet.
 
I don't see the problem here... I probably would have done something similar.... and it is his house, chill out..The people made it his house, you dont like that? Why didnt you vote against it? If you did, then you didn't convince enough people..
 
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