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The Problem with Rand [W:68]

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Today, all the attention is focused on Rand Paul.

Rand Paul has a problem. Though, the problem he has may ultimately help in his favor, unlike what some of his or shall I say his father's most vocal supporters would like. I have watched Rand Paul's career ever since he became a Senator and I did so with extreme skepticism. I'm not even going to get into the conspiracy theories that swim around in his genes. That may or may not be unfair to the man.

While there is a general feeling among disenfranchised non-party political aficionados that all politicians pander. Rand Paul is not a particularly good one. He colorfully flip flops on many issues that don't even make sense in the current political universe. However, unlike Romney who was horrible at relating to people. Rand actually does relate to people! For some strange reason that I cannot place my finger on. It cannot just be his last name can it be?

The way he articulates certain libertarian buzzwords seems promising to certain naive voting blocs , but then again. Rand frequently works with extreme sides of the political fence. Not really accomplishing much in the process. The problem Rand ultimately has is that he can't seem to figure out what he is or what he actually believes. He changes tune depending on what crowd he is talking to, and not in the proper political way either. Whenever Rand talks which is often on Talk Radio and Fox News, it sounds more like an audition tape than anything worthwhile for the country's future.

Though, his problem is obvious to anyone not blindly following "party politics" and other partisan talking points. It does work a little bit in his favor actually. Since he is now known as well, some type of force I guess?

Rush Limbaugh can say it better than I can in so many different ways. So here is something he posted today after getting pissed off at the paulbots for annoying him, because he didn't cover Rand Paul fast enough:

I'm Not Ignoring Rand Paul, People! We Spent an Hour Meeting in My Office - The Rush Limbaugh Show
 
I want to like Rand Paul, I do, but he's making it very hard for me. He seems to be making the transition into an establishment Republican. At that point what's the appeal? I loved his father but he doesn't seem to share many of his qualities anymore.
 
Other have said this better than I, Rand Paul ended up being a Republican pretending to be a Libertarian. And now that he is running, it will get worse just for him to have a prayer at getting out of the primary.
 
I may vote for him anyway, just to give the GOP Establishment one of these:




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RabidAlpaca said:
I want to like Rand Paul, I do, but he's making it very hard for me. He seems to be making the transition into an establishment Republican. At that point what's the appeal? I loved his father but he doesn't seem to share many of his qualities anymore.
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He wants his father's supporters but not the baggage and unelectability that brings. So he is trying to work both sides. Not easy to do.
 
Goshin said:
I may vote for him anyway, just to give the GOP Establishment one of these:

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Sure that isn't Ted Cruz?

The current thunder from the right is Scott Walker.

Rand Paul may have made himself too bland? Or maybe made himself credible? Too early to tell.
 
joko104 said:
Sure that isn't Ted Cruz?

The current thunder from the right is Scott Walker.

Rand Paul may have made himself too bland? Or maybe made himself credible? Too early to tell.
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I might end up voting for Cthulu.
 
There are many things he says that I like. There are many things he says that make me wince.

McCain called himself a maverick but I believe Paul is a real maverick.
 
Goshin said:
I may vote for him anyway, just to give the GOP Establishment one of these:
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A guy in my office said he may just register to vote for the first time just to vote against him.
 
He doesn't seem sincere, like his father is. His father would say thing honestly, even knowing it was damaging to his campagn. Rand is simply trying to please majorities. In short, he's a better politician than his father. And in my opinion, politicians are something we need less of.
 
The Rand Paul we see is nothing like Ron Paul, but I don't come to the same conclusion that some of my fellow libertarians have expressed here. Why would he pretend to be a libertarian, is he hoping to get the 0.9% of the vote that Gary Johnson pulled in during the 2012 election? It seems far more likely to me that he believes what his father tells him (though he doesn't seem to understand the fundamentals as well) but he pretends to be more mainstream so he can have even an outside chance to actually be elected. Sure that makes him a hypocrite, but the right kind of hypocrite, the kind that is ultimately on my side.

Of course maybe I'm wrong, but considering the other choices he can't be much worse, and even a long shot is worth my vote if there's a chance he leads to smaller government without the military aggression and discriminatory evangelical social agenda.
 
azgreg said:
A guy in my office said he may just register to vote for the first time just to vote against him.
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Rand Paul isn't my favorite Republican, but I can't believe he's so hated as that. Hillary Clinton or Ted Cruz yeah I can see someone registering to vote to keep them out of office. But Rand Paul?
 
reinoe said:
Rand Paul isn't my favorite Republican, but I can't believe he's so hated as that. Hillary Clinton or Ted Cruz yeah I can see someone registering to vote to keep them out of office. But Rand Paul?
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There are issues where Ted Cruz and Hillary Clinton agree more than disagree. President Paul won't be bombing Iran, I can't say that about either Hillary or Ted. If wanting to bomb the middle east is your primary issue, for example, then I can see voting against Rand.

But you don't need a good reason to vote in our democracy. Maybe the guy just doesn't like Rand Paul's haircut. His vote still counts as much as yours.
 
Hillary Clinton is an incompetent boob; anyone is better. Paul has no problem in comparison.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I want to like Rand Paul, I do, but he's making it very hard for me. He seems to be making the transition into an establishment Republican. At that point what's the appeal? I loved his father but he doesn't seem to share many of his qualities anymore.
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It be a reuse to lure in the Establishment to use their funds to get elected.
 
Every Democratic political person I have spoken with would consider it a dream come true if Rand Paul were the 2016 nominee. And not a single one expects it to happen.
 
haymarket said:
Every Democratic political person I have spoken with would consider it a dream come true if Rand Paul were the 2016 nominee. And not a single one expects it to happen.
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of course, if you were concerned with him, your message would also be the above message.

and given what we know about you....well... /thread
 
ARealConservative said:
of course, if you were concerned with him, your message would also be the above message.

and given what we know about you....well... /thread
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I would absolutely LOVE IT if Paul were the 2016 GOP nominee. I was only 15 when Johnson kicked GOP butt from coast to coast sweeping in his party from the top to the bottom of the ticket at local state and national level. I would love to see that again and Paul is just the new version of Goldwater to help make it possible.
 
haymarket said:
I would absolutely LOVE IT if Paul were the 2016 GOP nominee. I was only 15 when Johnson kicked GOP butt from coast to coast sweeping in his party from the top to the bottom of the ticket at local state and national level. I would love to see that again and Paul is just the new version of Goldwater to help make it possible.
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Clinton leads GOP field nationally, although down from February - Public Policy Polling

be careful what you wish for. Rand Paul will kick her ass when it comes to independents.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I want to like Rand Paul, I do, but he's making it very hard for me. He seems to be making the transition into an establishment Republican. At that point what's the appeal? I loved his father but he doesn't seem to share many of his qualities anymore.
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I do see some of Ron's better qualities in Rand. I applauded him when he took a stand against the TSA and when he fillibustered on the drone issue. But I agree he is just too close to the establishment for me to really get behind him. I couldn't defend his signing of the Iran letter and his opinions on several topics like gay marriage. I am curious, though, in what direction he will take his campaign. Will he take a more 'libertarian' approach and set himself apart... or will he blend in with the others?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I want to like Rand Paul, I do, but he's making it very hard for me. He seems to be making the transition into an establishment Republican. At that point what's the appeal? I loved his father but he doesn't seem to share many of his qualities anymore.
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I feel the same way.

he made his bed, he is going to have to lie in it.

I was all in for his father, but he is playing the political game, and that was his decision, but because he played the game, he is going to have to court the mainstream GOP to carry his water, I'm not going to do it for him

I really, really want to see a general election with him against Hitlery though. The mainstream media will do everything in their power to prevent that scenario, because independents will not be breaking her way.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Today, all the attention is focused on Rand Paul.

Rand Paul has a problem. Though, the problem he has may ultimately help in his favor, unlike what some of his or shall I say his father's most vocal supporters would like. I have watched Rand Paul's career ever since he became a Senator and I did so with extreme skepticism. I'm not even going to get into the conspiracy theories that swim around in his genes. That may or may not be unfair to the man.

While there is a general feeling among disenfranchised non-party political aficionados that all politicians pander. Rand Paul is not a particularly good one. He colorfully flip flops on many issues that don't even make sense in the current political universe. However, unlike Romney who was horrible at relating to people. Rand actually does relate to people! For some strange reason that I cannot place my finger on. It cannot just be his last name can it be?

The way he articulates certain libertarian buzzwords seems promising to certain naive voting blocs , but then again. Rand frequently works with extreme sides of the political fence. Not really accomplishing much in the process. The problem Rand ultimately has is that he can't seem to figure out what he is or what he actually believes. He changes tune depending on what crowd he is talking to, and not in the proper political way either. Whenever Rand talks which is often on Talk Radio and Fox News, it sounds more like an audition tape than anything worthwhile for the country's future.

Though, his problem is obvious to anyone not blindly following "party politics" and other partisan talking points. It does work a little bit in his favor actually. Since he is now known as well, some type of force I guess?

Rush Limbaugh can say it better than I can in so many different ways. So here is something he posted today after getting pissed off at the paulbots for annoying him, because he didn't cover Rand Paul fast enough:

I'm Not Ignoring Rand Paul, People! We Spent an Hour Meeting in My Office - The Rush Limbaugh Show
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I made this quip on another thread: the Republicans love playing around with libertarians as they are so free and fun; they don't want to marry one, however. Rand Paul is the second announced candidate with no shot at winning the nomination, but should add much color to the process.
 
haymarket said:
By election day - once Paul has been thoroughly exposed in the campaign - it will be easier to elect Bugs Bunny as President than it would be Rand Paul among anyone other than the right wing.
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I know right. his lies about Bosnia will surely sink him. Just wait until the country finds out he did the exact same thing Brian Williams did.

oh...wait. that was Hillary

but wait until his iraq war vote is discussed.


oh - wait. Hitlery again.




~snicker
 
ARealConservative said:
I know right. his lies about Bosnia will surely sink him. Just wait until the country finds out he did the exact same thing Brian Williams did.

oh...wait. that was Hillary

but wait until his iraq war vote is discussed.


oh - wait. Hitlery again.




~snicker
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Hillary Clinton - and I am no fan - will NOT die the terrible political death in November that Paul would simply because - while she has her faults - she is NOT an enemy of the average American voter. And that label fits Paul to a tee and will cause him to crash and burn in most spectacular fashion. His nomination and campaign would make the Hindenburg look like a success story.
 
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