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Obama - Biblically Hostile President

spud_meister said:
God is omniscient, He knew who would end up in Hell before He created the place. If you believe in God as an all-knowing creator, then you don't have a choice, God made your choices for you.
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Foreknowledge is not determinism. So like I said, it's all on you. If you wind up in Hell it will be your own decision for rejecting God's salvation.
 
Logicman said:
Obama - America's Most Biblically-Hostile U.S. President

WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - America’s Most Biblically-Hostile U. S. President

Not only is Obama's theology screwed up, but so is his presidency. He's Biblically-challenged, on the wrong side of the issues of abortion and gay marriage, and is a serial liar. More than that, his 'redistribution of wealth scheme is unbiblical.

This thread is for debate and discussion on these and other related issues.
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Good thing we don't live in a theocracy then, I guess.
 
Logicman said:
Foreknowledge is not determinism. So like I said, it's all on you. If you wind up in Hell it will be your own decision for rejecting God's salvation.
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You know those kinds of threats only carry any weight with people who already have the same ideas about heaven, hell and salvation as yourself, right?
 
Cardinal said:
You know those kinds of threats only carry any weight with people who already have the same ideas about heaven, hell and salvation as yourself, right?
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I know the truth isn't going to go away just because some people don't believe it.
 
Logicman said:
Obama - America's Most Biblically-Hostile U.S. President

WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - America’s Most Biblically-Hostile U. S. President

Not only is Obama's theology screwed up, but so is his presidency. He's Biblically-challenged, on the wrong side of the issues of abortion and gay marriage, and is a serial liar. More than that, his 'redistribution of wealth scheme is unbiblical.

This thread is for debate and discussion on these and other related issues.
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The only good president is an atheist. Any president who bases his decisions on the delusion that there is an invisible man and his son up in the sky is a bad president.
 
Logicman said:
I know the truth isn't going to go away just because some people don't believe it.
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Well you have to first convince people that your "truth" is even founded in reality, and so far as persuasion goes your tactics are among the worst I've ever seen. Ever.
 
calamity said:
The only good president is an atheist. Any president who bases his decisions on the delusion that there is an invisible man and his son up in the sky is a bad president.
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History shows you're wrong.

p.s. say hello to your mythical swamp slime abiogenesis buddy for me.
 
Cardinal said:
Well you have to first convince people that your "truth" is even founded in reality, and so far as persuasion goes your tactics are among the worst I've ever seen. Ever.
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I know the truth is offensive to some people. Perhaps if you submit it to prayer you'll begin to see the light.
 
Cardinal said:
Well you have to first convince people that your "truth" is even founded in reality, and so far as persuasion goes your tactics are among the worst I've ever seen. Ever.
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I often wonder if he even takes himself serious.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Whoa.. You actually think the entire world sees things exactly the same as you and that the American government is a christian theocracy? Man, you do live in a fantasy world, don't you?
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You people love your strawman "Christian theocracy" bs, don't you?
 
Logicman said:
You people love your strawman "Christian theocracy" bs, don't you?
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That's not a strawman. I just said everyone in the world doesn't see things like you and that the government isn't a theocracy. You called that nonsense. How is that nonsense? I asked you the opposite and you called it a strawman.

It'd be like if I said: "Dogs aren't cats" and you said "Nonsense". I then ask "So you think dogs are cats?" and you reply "You people love your strawman".
 
Logicman said:
You want more Jefferson?

“Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have
removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the
people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are
not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my
country when I reflect that God is just; and that His justice
cannot sleep forever.” (Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781)

What's wrong with America today is that liberals have replaced God with government. And it's becoming a bigger and bigger horse collar around their necks every day.
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Jefferson was apparently bipolar:

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Logicman said:
Foreknowledge is not determinism. So like I said, it's all on you. If you wind up in Hell it will be your own decision for rejecting God's salvation.
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You keep saying that but that doesn't make it so. Foreknowledge and designing based on foreknowledge is determinism.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
That's not a strawman. I just said everyone in the world doesn't see things like you and that the government isn't a theocracy. You called that nonsense. How is that nonsense? I asked you the opposite and you called it a strawman.

It'd be like if I said: "Dogs aren't cats" and you said "Nonsense". I then ask "So you think dogs are cats?" and you reply "You people love your strawman".
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Where's the big push for a theocracy, RA? I must have missed the parades and rampant demonstrations.
 
Unrepresented said:
Jefferson was apparently bipolar:
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Here's another Jeffersonian gem for you:

"Whosoever shall be guilty of Rape, Polygamy, or Sodomy with man or woman shall be punished, if a man, by castration, if a woman, by cutting thro' the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch diameter at the least."

Amendment VIII: Thomas Jefferson, A Bill for Proportioning Crimes and Punishments

Unrepresented said:
You keep saying that but that doesn't make it so. Foreknowledge and designing based on foreknowledge is determinism.
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Nope. God says for people to CHOOSE life. - Deuteronomy 30:19
 
Logicman said:
Here's another Jeffersonian gem for you:

"Whosoever shall be guilty of Rape, Polygamy, or Sodomy with man or woman shall be punished, if a man, by castration, if a woman, by cutting thro' the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch diameter at the least."

Amendment VIII: Thomas Jefferson, A Bill for Proportioning Crimes and Punishments



Nope. God says for people to CHOOSE life. - Deuteronomy 30:19
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A) So we've established Jefferson is probably not much of a consistent source on how we should lead our lives ~200 years after his death.

B) Your argument amounts to "the bible says we have free will because the bible says we do." That's not logic. Logic would suggest that if I build a device, and do so with sufficient knowledge, that device will act as predicted. Extrapolate that on the universe, and you end up with determinism. Either god was fallible, or your logic is.
 
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Logicman said:
Where's the big push for a theocracy, RA? I must have missed the parades and rampant demonstrations.
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There isn't one, only from you, Paleocon and a few other 'religious revolutionaries'. You seem to think it's Obama's job to implement the bible, it's not.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
There isn't one, only from you, Paleocon and a few other 'religious revolutionaries'. You seem to think it's Obama's job to implement the bible, it's not.
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Show me the post / quote where I ever advocated a theocracy? You can't do it, can you!!

You shouldn't make up stories, RA.
 
Unrepresented said:
B) Your argument amounts to "the bible says we have free will because the bible says we do." That's not logic. Logic would suggest that if I build a device, and do so with sufficient knowledge, that device will act as predicted. Extrapolate that on the universe, and you end up with determinism. Either god was fallible, or your logic is.
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You won't find God in a test tube, sport. Nor can you produce evidence for your abiogenesis swamp slime cell. But you believe anyway!

Here's some recommended reading for you:

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Logicman said:
Show me the post / quote where I ever advocated a theocracy? You can't do it, can you!!

You shouldn't make up stories, RA.
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Oh ok, so good, you agree it shouldn't be a theocracy. THEN STOP TRYING TO FORCE THE PRESIDENT TO FOLLOW THE BIBLE.
 
Logicman said:
Show me the post / quote where I ever advocated a theocracy? You can't do it, can you!!

You shouldn't make up stories, RA.
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If you're advocating that the president adhere more greatly to your holy book of choice, you're advocating theocracy.
 
Logicman said:
You won't find God in a test tube, sport. Nor can you produce evidence for your abiogenesis swamp slime cell. But you believe anyway!

Here's some recommended reading for you:

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I'm a believer in knowledge systems that are inherently able to reproduce results to support their hypotheses. Those that are unable to, are of little value to me.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Oh ok, so good, you agree it shouldn't be a theocracy. THEN STOP TRYING TO FORCE THE PRESIDENT TO FOLLOW THE BIBLE.
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It's not just the Bible, it's everything else along with it that he's screwing up.

And when you don't follow the Bible, then you're deficit spending, lying, killing the innocent unborn, and a host of other issues.
 
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