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Jonathan Chait realizes that Leftists are beginning to eat themselves.

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Cannibalism is a standard response when a movement finds itself on the political outskirts, but I think we are a bit early yet for the full swing (wait until there is a republican in the White House), and when it hits, it's going to be fed by the idiots like these who have now graduated, but haven't realized that the real world doesn't give a flying leap about their theories on the inherent social inequities of "cis-genderness". The left is going to be stuck with this for a bit, methinks.

How the Language Police are Perverting Liberalism

Around 2 a.m. on December 12, four students approached the apartment of Omar Mahmood, a Muslim student at the University of Michigan, who had recently published a column in a school newspaper about his perspective as a minority on campus. The students, who were recorded on a building surveillance camera wearing baggy hooded sweatshirts to hide their identity, littered Mahmood’s doorway with copies of his column, scrawled with messages like “You scum embarrass us,” “Shut the **** up,” and “DO YOU EVEN GO HERE?! LEAVE!!” They posted a picture of a demon and splattered eggs.

This might appear to be the sort of episode that would stoke the moral conscience of students on a progressive campus like Ann Arbor, and it was quickly agreed that an act of biased intimidation had taken place. But Mahmood was widely seen as the perpetrator rather than the victim. His column, published in the school’s conservative newspaper, had spoofed the culture of taking offense that pervades the campus. Mahmood satirically pretended to denounce “a white cis-gendered hetero upper-class man” who offered to help him up when he slipped, leading him to denounce “our barbaric attitude toward people of left-handydnyss.” The gentle tone of his mockery was closer to Charlie Brown than to Charlie Hebdo... Mahmood later said that he was told by the editor that his column had created a “hostile environment,” in which at least one Daily staffer felt threatened, and that he must write a letter of apology to the staff. When he refused, the Daily fired him, and the subsequent vandalism of his apartment served to confirm his status as thought-criminal....

political correctness is not a rigorous commitment to social equality so much as a system of left-wing ideological repression. Not only is it not a form of liberalism; it is antithetical to liberalism. Indeed, its most frequent victims turn out to be liberals themselves....

Under p.c. culture, the same idea can be expressed identically by two people but received differently depending on the race and sex of the individuals doing the expressing.... If a person who is accused of bias attempts to defend his intentions, he merely compounds his own guilt. (Here one might find oneself accused of man/white/straightsplaining.) It is likewise taboo to request that the accusation be rendered in a less hostile manner. This is called “tone policing.” If you are accused of bias, or “called out,” reflection and apology are the only acceptable response — to dispute a call-out only makes it worse. There is no allowance in p.c. culture for the possibility that the accusation may be erroneous. ...

Liberals believe (or ought to believe) that social progress can continue while we maintain our traditional ideal of a free political marketplace where we can reason together as individuals. Political correctness challenges that bedrock liberal ideal. While politically less threatening than conservatism (the far right still commands far more power in American life), the p.c. left is actually more philosophically threatening. It is an undemocratic creed...

Well, this is interesting. Chait has discovered that using that endless (baseless) accusations of various forms of bigotry and identity politics in order to intimidate and silence any possible dissent is bad, now that it is also being directed at liberals.


Predictably, hilariously, many of Chait's fellow "liberals" have responded exactly as he described.
 
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:lol: the more I look through this stuff, the better it gets.


For example, Conservatives have been trying to convince Liberals to abandon Marx for decades because his ideas were wrong. If only we'd thought to point out that he's a white-privileged cis-gender male, we could have finished this decades ago!
 
:lol: the more I look through this stuff, the better it gets.


For example, Conservatives have been trying to convince Liberals to abandon Marx for decades because his ideas were wrong. If only we'd thought to point out that he's a white-privileged cis-gender male, we could have finished this decades ago!

If everybody on the left suddenly disavowed Marx, the right would suddenly fall in love with him.
 
If everybody on the left suddenly disavowed Marx, the right would suddenly fall in love with him.

At that point, the right would necessarily become the new left, like a switch in the magnetic poles. In the meantime, it's at least refreshing for the left to admit that they embrace Marx rather than running around telling everyone else they don't know what Marx represents. It's a significant ideological difference, and not a misunderstanding.
 
Good night, listen to these idiots.


...Although the professor said he wanted to make the theory relevant to present issues, the class was out of touch with the majority of students’ lives. The lectures often incorporated current events, yet none of the examples engaged critically with gender or race. The professor even failed to mention the Ferguson events, even though he lectured about prisons, normalizing discourse and the carceral archipelago in Foucault’s “Discipline and Punish” the day after the grand jury decision on the murder of Michael Brown.

Furthermore, the classroom environment felt so hostile to women, people of color, queer folks and other marginalized subjects that it was difficult for us to focus on the course material. Sometimes, we were so uncomfortable that we had to leave the classroom in the middle of lecture. For example, when lecturing on Marx’s idea of the “natural division of labor between men and women,” the professor attributed some intellectual merit to this idea because men and women are biologically distinct from each other, because women give birth while men do not. One student asked, “What about trans* people?” to which the professor retorted, “There will always be exceptions.” Then, laughing, the professor teased, “We may all be transgender in the future.” Although one might be tempted to dismiss these remarks as a harmless attempt at humor, mocking trans* people and calling them “exceptions” is unacceptable....

We are creating a generation that is incapable of hearing positions they disagree with. This is going to be awesome for the body politic.
 
Good night, listen to these idiots.




We are creating a generation that is incapable of hearing positions they disagree with. This is going to be awesome for the body politic.

It's what happens when you replace education based on reading, writing, arithmetic, critical thinking and achievement with education focused on feelings, diversity and social justice. You churn out a bunch of nimrods who, when faced with the real world are incapable of rationale thought.
 
It's what happens when you replace education based on reading, writing, arithmetic, critical thinking and achievement with education focused on feelings, diversity and social justice. You churn out a bunch of nimrods who, when faced with the real world are incapable of rationale thought.

Critical thinling is how the white man disempowersd black people

Arithmetic is just mens arithemtaic that ignore the wimmins cience which is about fluid dunamics

Why have reading and wrting when you can have arfrican storytelling?
 
Critical thinling is how the white man disempowersd black people

Arithmetic is just mens arithemtaic that ignore the wimmins cience which is about fluid dunamics

Why have reading and wrting when you can have arfrican storytelling?

That was really tasteless hoss.
 
???? wtf?

You don't even realize. That is sad.

I understood your point, but of all the fruit on the tree, you choose the stuff that fell on the ground.
 
I've always found it fascinating that the people who wail and gnash their teeth the most about colleges and the 'PC culture' never went to or finished college.
 
You don't even realize. That is sad.

I understood your point, but of all the fruit on the tree, you choose the stuff that fell on the ground.

You will have to explain..by PM if you wish
 
You will have to explain..by PM if you wish
No, I think in public will work.
Your post was quite racist. I'm not PC, I couldn't care less about being PC. But c'mon man. No one takes you seriously when you do crap like that.

You could have say...
Ranted about gangster culture.
Commented on the fact so many young people are more concerned with Kim Kardashians latest drama then what the government is doing
Instead...
You posted a crass bit that had most folks read it write you off. That's your free lesson for the month.
 
What conservatives seem to not understand is that just because the hardcore right may well constitute the majority of today's conservative movement, the far left does not constitute anywhere near a majority of liberalism in America. I know a fair number of self professed liberals and the vast majority of them are pretty unconcerned with being PC. That is not to say they are not tolerant as they universally are. However, they are also unoffendable. Why do you think the vast, vast, majority of comedians are fairly liberal? Why do you think that liberals love The Onion and other irreverent outlets? It's not because liberals are obsessed with being PC I assure you.

Are many leftists obsessed with political correctness and being the language police? Sure, there is no denying that. Do those hardcore leftists constitute anywhere near the majority of American liberals? No, not even remotely.
 
What conservatives seem to not understand is that just because the hardcore right may well constitute the majority of today's conservative movement, the far left does not constitute anywhere near a majority of liberalism in America. I know a fair number of self professed liberals and the vast majority of them are pretty unconcerned with being PC. That is not to say they are not tolerant as they universally are. However, they are also unoffendable. Why do you think the vast, vast, majority of comedians are fairly liberal? Why do you think that liberals love The Onion and other irreverent outlets? It's not because liberals are obsessed with being PC I assure you.

Are many leftists obsessed with political correctness and being the language police? Sure, there is no denying that. Do those hardcore leftists constitute anywhere near the majority of American liberals? No, not even remotely.

That's not how it works here. If one "leftist" thinks it, all "leftists" think it.
 
Critical thinling is how the white man disempowersd black people

Arithmetic is just mens arithemtaic that ignore the wimmins cience which is about fluid dunamics

Why have reading and wrting when you can have arfrican storytelling?

This is the state of DP today. This.
 
That's not how it works here. If one "leftist" thinks it, all "leftists" think it.

What kills me is that while on one hand they bitch about all those PC leftists, a defining quality of cultural social conservatism anymore is the constant playing the victim, ie: The attack on stay at home moms, the war on Christmas, the war on Christianity and so on.
 
I've always found it fascinating that the people who wail and gnash their teeth the most about colleges and the 'PC culture' never went to or finished college.

<--- Bachelors, Masters, half of another Masters.
 
What kills me is that while on one hand they bitch about all those PC leftists, a defining quality of cultural social conservatism anymore is the constant playing the victim, ie: The attack on stay at home moms, the war on Christmas, the war on Christianity and so on.

Really. You want to call the constant accusations of racism and sexism to the war on Christmas. ?
 
Talking about mansplaining and privilege is one of my triggers. HOW DAR U?!

Wouldn't it be great if such absolute stupidity confined itself to reddit and tumblr and left the rest of the internet and real life alone? Instead, no, condemning that nonsense led to severe backlash and destruction. Ugh.
 
<--- Bachelors, Masters, half of another Masters.

I guess you're running with a lower crowd.

There's no question that the actions of being offended and stifling speech is common in college campuses, but one of the main reasons is that college is a place where envelopes get pushed- in all directions. That's because it's a testing ground for intellectual freedom, and mistakes are made when you are testing limits.
 
I guess you're running with a lower crowd.

Shall we poll among those who, for example, fail or drop out of high school, and see where they fall politically?

There's no question that the actions of being offended and stifling speech is common in college campuses, but one of the main reasons is that college is a place where envelopes get pushed- in all directions. That's because it's a testing ground for intellectual freedom, and mistakes are made when you are testing limits.

...the bolded is directly contradictory to the underlined. College is a place where envelopes get pushed in one direction, and speech codes and accusations of various "isms" get brought to bear in order to silence speech and activity in the opposite direction. It's not a testing ground for intellectual freedom, it's increasingly (unfortunately) a unipolar intellectual world in which biases get endlessly confirmed.
 
Shall we poll among those who, for example, fail or drop out of high school, and see where they fall politically?



...the bolded is directly contradictory to the underlined. College is a place where envelopes get pushed in one direction, and speech codes and accusations of various "isms" get brought to bear in order to silence speech and activity in the opposite direction. It's not a testing ground for intellectual freedom, it's increasingly (unfortunately) a unipolar intellectual world in which biases get endlessly confirmed.

It just seems like that because the top dog on the pile (white, male, conformist) is constantly trying to be pushed off. The envelope gets pushed (and I agree, much too far in some instances) but the direction you see is always coming at you. But it'd not one direction at all.
 
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