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GOP Votes in Leadership: Democrats Create a New Seat for Warren.....

Perotista said:
I think the Dems did good with Tester, the GOP better not underestimate this guy. He won by 4 points over Rehberg while Montana was going to Romney by 14. Now all those Democrats that voted against Reid are known nationally as moderate Democrats. But all of with the exception of Manchin have voted the party line 95% or more of the time. But now being in the minority, perhaps that will not be the case and they will vote more along the lines of the people and states they represent. Perhaps 2014 showed them if they want to survive the next election, they better start listening to the people more. Interesting to note that Landrieu, Heitkamp, Manchin, McCaskill all were elected from red states, Kaine and Warner from a state that is turning purple if not already there.

Pelosi is running unopposed, she is like J. Edgar Hoover was at the FBI. Both had enough stuff on different people they couldn't be fired. But Now I want to see how McConnell runs the senate. Will be just be a Republican version of Harry Reid or will he run it in the proper way with traditions held high? I have my doubts.
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Crack Up: Democrats Fracturing Over Obama's Executive Amnesty?


Lawrence O’Donnell: No one at the White House has been able to give me the legal justification for the following component of the President’s plan which was leaked to the New York Times. the part where it says… that the President will allow many parents of children who are American citizens or legal residents to obtain legal work documents. Can you tell me and has the White House told you, what is the legal justification for the President to create a new category of beneficiaries for work documents? How can that be done without legislation?

L.O.: Congressman, so as far as you know, and I don’t mean to badger about this but I’ve been on this for days now. I haven’t heard from a single elected Democrat, not one Democrat in Washington who can answer the question that I just put to you. Have you heard it Have you heard it answered by any Democrats?.....snip~

Crack Up: Democrats Fracturing Over Obama's Executive Amnesty? - Guy Benson
 
There is more to Pero. Seems house Demos are making it known about Pelosi. Yet they will keep her around.


Democrats To Pelosi: Lady, You And Obama Totally Screwed Us Over

The circular liberal firing squad has formed–and Nancy Pelosi is facing incoming fire from all directions, according to Politico. After being shellacked in 2010 and bludgeoned in the 2014 midterms, members of the shrinking House Democratic Caucus are making their feelings known about Pelosi’s leadership. Additionally, some House members think that Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chairman, Rep. Steve Israel, wasn’t honest with members of his own party about the electoral disaster they were heading into on November 4.

It seems Israel and others are trying to talk Democratic donors off the ledge after a being eviscerated by Republicans, which could make them hesitant to cut checks in the upcoming 2016 elections.

Right now, House Democrats are definitely pointing a lot of fingers at the Obama White House, but are also looking for ways to retool their messaging that they felt was not being hammered home to voters by Ms. Pelosi (via Politico):.....snip~

Democrats To Pelosi: Lady, You And Obama Totally Screwed Us Over - Matt Vespa
 
MMC said:
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Crack Up: Democrats Fracturing Over Obama's Executive Amnesty?


Lawrence O’Donnell: No one at the White House has been able to give me the legal justification for the following component of the President’s plan which was leaked to the New York Times. the part where it says… that the President will allow many parents of children who are American citizens or legal residents to obtain legal work documents. Can you tell me and has the White House told you, what is the legal justification for the President to create a new category of beneficiaries for work documents? How can that be done without legislation?

L.O.: Congressman, so as far as you know, and I don’t mean to badger about this but I’ve been on this for days now. I haven’t heard from a single elected Democrat, not one Democrat in Washington who can answer the question that I just put to you. Have you heard it Have you heard it answered by any Democrats?.....snip~

Crack Up: Democrats Fracturing Over Obama's Executive Amnesty? - Guy Benson
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No, I don't think I have heard anything from elected Democrats in Congress. They may or may not be leery about the constitutionality of Obama doing what he said or they may be leery about the polls that show over 60% of Americans against the President acting alone. Now I have heard a ton of ex-campaign workers, former elected people and non-elected folks all defending and saying the president has every right.

But one thing to keep in mind about leaked documents, a lot of them are leaked just to gauge public reaction. I shall wait and see what transpires.
 
Perotista said:
No, I don't think I have heard anything from elected Democrats in Congress. They may or may not be leery about the constitutionality of Obama doing what he said or they may be leery about the polls that show over 60% of Americans against the President acting alone. Now I have heard a ton of ex-campaign workers, former elected people and non-elected folks all defending and saying the president has every right.

But one thing to keep in mind about leaked documents, a lot of them are leaked just to gauge public reaction. I shall wait and see what transpires.
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I heard Reid and Pelosi had Demo members pledge to support BO thru being the Lame duck. So far the majority has.
 
MMC said:
I heard Reid and Pelosi had Demo members pledge to support BO thru being the Lame duck. So far the majority has.
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In a way that is irrelevant. What senators and representatives should be doing is voting the peoples wishes from the state they are from and that the parties. They should represent the people and the states that sent them to Washington first, the party line second. Regardless of party that ain't about to happen anymore.
 
Perotista said:
In a way that is irrelevant. What senators and representatives should be doing is voting the peoples wishes from the state they are from and that the parties. They should represent the people and the states that sent them to Washington first, the party line second. Regardless of party that ain't about to happen anymore.
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Well, Bo and his team only have a 6 month time table to get any of his agenda thru.

I would note that BO has made Climate Change his next 2 year agenda. Pretty much has checked out on all the rest.

He should plan on checking out after he hits pasture to, as Many will not allow him to be relevant and standing up to promote how much of a failure he is and how much he has weakened this country.
 
MMC said:
Well, Bo and his team only have a 6 month time table to get any of his agenda thru.

I would note that BO has made Climate Change his next 2 year agenda. Pretty much has checked out on all the rest.

He should plan on checking out after he hits pasture to, as Many will not allow him to be relevant and standing up to promote how much of a failure he is and how much he has weakened this country.
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The norm is for any president in his last two years is to defend his accomplishments of his first six years. Not to try to add to them. Although some have been able to do so. With 52% of Americans still opposed to the ACA the president and his Democratic colleagues will be spending time defending it. Climate Change, here is something I found interesting, an article that said we should be more worried about a coming ice age than global warming.

[fantasticreality] What Would Happen if a Super Volcanic Eruption Happens Again
Date: Nov 17, 2014 7:21 PM

Interesting. They examine the super-volcanic eruption of `Toba' 70,000 yrs ago
(today Lake Toba). It shows, once again that the biggest danger to us humans is
COOLING - because the Earth can and will only warm a degree or three (our
distance from the Sun keeps us cool), but a significant event, like Toba, was
enough to create a long `nuclear winter' lasting maybe ten years - and then that
seems to've triggered a further thousand years of ice-age. That all reduced the
human population massively, from maybe a few millions right down to about 5,000
breeding females. Which is why we're much closer related to each other than many
other animals.
Ray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5jcBWzB3nM ( 44 minutes & 52 seconds )
What Would Happen if a Super Volcanic Eruption Happens Again ?
 
Perotista said:
The norm is for any president in his last two years is to defend his accomplishments of his first six years. Not to try to add to them. Although some have been able to do so. With 52% of Americans still opposed to the ACA the president and his Democratic colleagues will be spending time defending it. Climate Change, here is something I found interesting, an article that said we should be more worried about a coming ice age than global warming.

[fantasticreality] What Would Happen if a Super Volcanic Eruption Happens Again
Date: Nov 17, 2014 7:21 PM

Interesting. They examine the super-volcanic eruption of `Toba' 70,000 yrs ago
(today Lake Toba). It shows, once again that the biggest danger to us humans is
COOLING - because the Earth can and will only warm a degree or three (our
distance from the Sun keeps us cool), but a significant event, like Toba, was
enough to create a long `nuclear winter' lasting maybe ten years - and then that
seems to've triggered a further thousand years of ice-age. That all reduced the
human population massively, from maybe a few millions right down to about 5,000
breeding females. Which is why we're much closer related to each other than many
other animals.
Ray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5jcBWzB3nM ( 44 minutes & 52 seconds )
What Would Happen if a Super Volcanic Eruption Happens Again ?
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That was before today's technology, huh? ;)




The legislation continues to receive a lack of support from independent voters, of which only 33 percent approval of the law. Independents have never been particularly positive toward the law, with approval ranging between 31% and 41%. Currently, 33% of independents approve.

So how do Americans want Obamacare handled moving forward? Repeal? Full repeal? According to a recent survey from McLaughlin & Associates, 60 percent of voters would support full repeal of the law.....snip~

Gallup: Obamacare Approval Sitting at Just 37 Percent, 33 Among Independents - Katie Pavlich

http://www.debatepolitics.com/obama...popularity-hits-new-low-3.html#post1063997236
 
MMC said:
That was before today's technology, huh? ;)




The legislation continues to receive a lack of support from independent voters, of which only 33 percent approval of the law. Independents have never been particularly positive toward the law, with approval ranging between 31% and 41%. Currently, 33% of independents approve.

So how do Americans want Obamacare handled moving forward? Repeal? Full repeal? According to a recent survey from McLaughlin & Associates, 60 percent of voters would support full repeal of the law.....snip~

Gallup: Obamacare Approval Sitting at Just 37 Percent, 33 Among Independents - Katie Pavlich

http://www.debatepolitics.com/obama...popularity-hits-new-low-3.html#post1063997236
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Good morning, MMC. :2wave:

The one thing I don't understand is why Obama insists that such an unpopular ACA should be his legacy! Most President's want to be remembered for things that the American people liked - not what they hated since the very beginning, and the numbers of those people continue to grow. That is not normal thinking! What is the real purpose for continuing this charade, and why has he dug his heels in the way he has? He reads the polls....
 
Fenton said:
Lol !!!

Minimalizing the mid term losses isn't going to help the Democrats regain any semblance of credibility let alone power.

IF you people really want to save your party you first need to stop lying to yourselves.
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I'm not minimizing anything. The Democratic party has real problems it needs to address. Not being conservative enough certainly isn't one of them.
 
polgara said:
Good morning, MMC. :2wave:

The one thing I don't understand is why Obama insists that such an unpopular ACA should be his legacy! Most President's want to be remembered for things that the American people liked - not what they hated since the very beginning, and the numbers of those people continue to grow. That is not normal thinking! What is the real purpose for continuing this charade, and why has he dug his heels in the way he has? He reads the polls....
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That is a really good point. There are lots of problems with Obamacare and if that is to be his legacy, he is going to go down as one of the worst presidents in US history. If he was smart, he would start proposing changes to his own law and working with republicans as much as possible. He could fight repeal tooth and nail, but he ought to be leading the charge into fixing what is wrong with it
 
MMC said:
You have got to be kidding me.....The Democrats in desperation created a completely new leadership seat for Warren. Here she just got elected and all because she is popular the Demos call her a Leader.
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:roll:

They put her on a Dem leadership council. They did it because she's popular, she's a bit more left, and (presumably) because she can contribute to their election efforts. NOOOO!1!1! THE HORROR!!!

Yeesh.

Are Senate Democrats Trying to Co-Opt Elizabeth Warren? - The Atlantic
 
MMC said:
That was before today's technology, huh? ;)




The legislation continues to receive a lack of support from independent voters, of which only 33 percent approval of the law. Independents have never been particularly positive toward the law, with approval ranging between 31% and 41%. Currently, 33% of independents approve.

So how do Americans want Obamacare handled moving forward? Repeal? Full repeal? According to a recent survey from McLaughlin & Associates, 60 percent of voters would support full repeal of the law.....snip~

Gallup: Obamacare Approval Sitting at Just 37 Percent, 33 Among Independents - Katie Pavlich

http://www.debatepolitics.com/obama...popularity-hits-new-low-3.html#post1063997236
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You know me, I like RCP averages which today shows the president's approval rating at 41.9%.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

Relying on only one poll with usually a 4 point, plus or minus margin of error is risky. The averaging of 5 or more polls has the advantage of lowering the margin of error to around 2 points. You can never eliminate the margin of error totally. Still the 37% you cite is you throw in the margin of error is right there with RCP's average 41-41.9.

Now Gallup is right on with healthcare, their 37% vs. RCP's 37.7%. Independents at 33% matches closely with all other polls. The percent who support full repeal I think is highly inflated. But it been a very long time since I seen that question asked in a poll. 6 months or more ago.
 
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Visbek said:
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They put her on a Dem leadership council. They did it because she's popular, she's a bit more left, and (presumably) because she can contribute to their election efforts. NOOOO!1!1! THE HORROR!!!

Yeesh.

Are Senate Democrats Trying to Co-Opt Elizabeth Warren? - The Atlantic
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Was it hard to understand they had to create a New Chair for her? Got lost in there somewhere, huh?

Oh, and its not the Horror of anything scary. Its just more of the same Horrible ideas that lead to failure. As in mocking a populist dingbat. :mrgreen:
 
Perotista said:
You know me, I like RCP averages which today shows the president's approval rating at 41.9%.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

Relying on only one poll with usually a 4 point, plus or minus margin of error is risky. The averaging of 5 or more polls has the advantage of lowering the margin of error to around 2 points. You can never eliminate the margin of error totally. Still the 37% you cite is you throw in the margin of error is right there with RCP's average 41-41.9.

Now Gallup is right on with healthcare, their 37% vs. RCP's 37.7%. Independents at 33% matches closely with all other polls. The percent who support full repeal I think is highly inflated. But it been a very long time since I seen that quest asked in a poll. 6 months or more ago.
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On that Poll for BO....give it another week, so all the Grubinations are in. :lol:
 
MMC said:
On that Poll for BO....give it another week, so all the Grubinations are in. :lol:
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I doubt it. Pretty much everyone has their mind made up on the ACA. Usually less than 10% fall into the undecided/Don't know/Don't care column. Pundits always look at the latest event as game changers, in this case Gruber, then in a few weeks realize they were not. But what is interesting to me is the trend since December of 2012, more and more democrats are not supporting it. Your poll shows the decline from 80% down to 74% and independents also dropped from 40% down to 33%. Only the Republicans have basically maintained their straight line.

What is also interesting is the ACA has pretty much followed the presidents approval ratings for that time period. They seemed to be linked. Perhaps because healthcare affects us all. Mess with something your happy with, it was 80% of all Americans were happy with what they had, there will be a backlash. The fact that in the beginning all the positive stuff was implemented and all the bad stuff put off until after the election of 2012 is why the ACA was riding as high as it was in December of that year. then a lot of the bad stuff was implement and approval of the ACA shrunk.

How much more will that approval rating shrink after it is fully implemented next year remains to be seen. It will be unless the president postpones them again. Time will tell but Grubergate I do not think will have much effect, at least long term.
 
TeleKat said:
The Dems are attempting to pander to the disillusioned sects of their party. Many liberals are sick of the half-baked Republicrats like Clinton and are looking for someone actually entrenched in the party's core principles. Will it work? Only time will tell...
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Dumping Reid and getting new blood would help your party and the Senate process.
 
Perotista said:
I doubt it. Pretty much everyone has their mind made up on the ACA. Usually less than 10% fall into the undecided/Don't know/Don't care column. Pundits always look at the latest event as game changers, in this case Gruber, then in a few weeks realize they were not. But what is interesting to me is the trend since December of 2012, more and more democrats are not supporting it. Your poll shows the decline from 80% down to 74% and independents also dropped from 40% down to 33%. Only the Republicans have basically maintained their straight line.

What is also interesting is the ACA has pretty much followed the presidents approval ratings for that time period. They seemed to be linked. Perhaps because healthcare affects us all. Mess with something your happy with, it was 80% of all Americans were happy with what they had, there will be a backlash. The fact that in the beginning all the positive stuff was implemented and all the bad stuff put off until after the election of 2012 is why the ACA was riding as high as it was in December of that year. then a lot of the bad stuff was implement and approval of the ACA shrunk.

How much more will that approval rating shrink after it is fully implemented next year remains to be seen. It will be unless the president postpones them again. Time will tell but Grubergate I do not think will have much effect, at least long term.
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I don't know about the Polling for Gruber.....but I know 4 SCOTUS Judges that are going to be checking the Grubinations out. Oh and did you hear the Repubs have retained Turley to take BO into Court?

Turley is about putting an end to BO's overreach.....wants that balance back with Congress.
 
MMC said:
You have got to be kidding me.....The Democrats in desperation created a completely new leadership seat for Warren. Here she just got elected and all because she is popular the Demos call her a Leader. The Demos are also waiting until next week to pick their leadership for the House. Pelosi is running unopposed since she has the Demos trembling to take her on. I would note those 6 Democrats that wouldn't vote for Harry Reid. Btw they didn't say what Warrens New Leadership chair would be.



GOP votes McConnell to lead Senate; Dems elevate Warren.....

Senate Republicans unanimously named Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky to serve as majority leader when the new Congress convenes in January. Democrats, meanwhile, elevated Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., to a newly created seat at the leadership table as part of their efforts to renew the party's economic message. Senate Republicans also elected Sen. Roger Wicker of Mississippi to chair their 2016 campaign operation. Wicker defeated Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada. Democrats selected Sen. Jon Tester of Montana to chair their 2016 campaign operation.

Democrats re-elected Harry Reid of Nevada to lead their caucus, but also added new faces to their leadership team to include Warren and Sens. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, who is filling a slot held by Sen. Mark Begich, D-Alaska, who lost re-election. Klobuchar said she would work to "break through the gridlock" that defined the current Congress. At least six Democrats said publicly they did not support Reid's re-election following the loss of the Democratic majority. Voters "want change in Washington," Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., said in a statement. "Common sense tells me that begins with changes in leadership." Sens. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana also voted against Reid. The Washington Post reported Virginia Sens. Tim Kaine and Mark Warner did as well.

Across the Capitol on Thursday, House Republicans re-elected House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, who will need to be approved by the full U.S. House on the first day of the new Congress, as required by the Constitution. Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., and Majority Whip Steve Scalise, R-La., were also re-elected to their leadership posts.....snip~

GOP votes McConnell to lead Senate; Dems elevate Warren
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Warren on economics and the economy? I don't see how that's going to help. I don't think she has a clue on either. 'Course I might be wrong, but I don't think so.
 
Paschendale said:
I'm not minimizing anything. The Democratic party has real problems it needs to address. Not being conservative enough certainly isn't one of them.
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Yea they have allot of problems.

Obama's just one substantial issue.

When they applied their ideological based solutions the American people reacted by NOT voting for them

When is the Democrat party going to realize that there's a huge price to pay for lying to the American people ?

For calling them names, for looking down on them ? For assuming they're idiots ?
 
eohrnberger said:
Warren on economics and the economy? I don't see how that's going to help. I don't think she has a clue on either. 'Course I might be wrong, but I don't think so.
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You're not wrong.

She's still dependant on the whole " too big too fail, evil banks evil Wall Street , 1 percent " narrative to have any legitimate economic sense.

She's wants to continue to try and perpetuate these divisive manufactured narratives because she doesn't have anything substantial to run on.

American voters see through this.
 
MMC said:
There is more to Pero. Seems house Demos are making it known about Pelosi. Yet they will keep her around.


Democrats To Pelosi: Lady, You And Obama Totally Screwed Us Over

The circular liberal firing squad has formed–and Nancy Pelosi is facing incoming fire from all directions, according to Politico. After being shellacked in 2010 and bludgeoned in the 2014 midterms, members of the shrinking House Democratic Caucus are making their feelings known about Pelosi’s leadership. Additionally, some House members think that Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chairman, Rep. Steve Israel, wasn’t honest with members of his own party about the electoral disaster they were heading into on November 4.

It seems Israel and others are trying to talk Democratic donors off the ledge after a being eviscerated by Republicans, which could make them hesitant to cut checks in the upcoming 2016 elections.

Right now, House Democrats are definitely pointing a lot of fingers at the Obama White House, but are also looking for ways to retool their messaging that they felt was not being hammered home to voters by Ms. Pelosi (via Politico):.....snip~

Democrats To Pelosi: Lady, You And Obama Totally Screwed Us Over - Matt Vespa
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Yup. Kinda been saying this for awhile now, with all the 'following Obama over a cliff' meme.
Surprised that it's not gotten much traction or opposition. Too embarrassed about it being true? I wonder.
 
MMC said:
I don't know about the Polling for Gruber.....but I know 4 SCOTUS Judges that are going to be checking the Grubinations out. Oh and did you hear the Repubs have retained Turley to take BO into Court?

Turley is about putting an end to BO's overreach.....wants that balance back with Congress.
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As we all should.
 
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