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Liberals Admit The Democratic Party Is Out Of Ideas.....

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Whats this :shock: .....Liberals questioning their ideology and all out of ideas.
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Now that would be fantastic, huh? Also fighting a civil war within the Democratic Party. It doesn't get any better than this......does it? Are the Demos on the Verge of eating their own once again? Can the rift in their party be exploited? Can the opposing factions be manipulated into the public and MS Media's eyes? Can the Republicans use it against the Demos chances with Hillary? What say ye?



How badly did Democrats lose last Tuesday? So badly that a growing number of liberals are questioning whether or not their party is out of ideas.

The day after the election, The American Prospect's Harold Meyerson wrote:

the Democrats’ failure isn’t just the result of Republican negativity. It’s also intellectual and ideological. What, besides raising the minimum wage, do the Democrats propose to do about the shift in income from wages to profits, from labor to capital, from the 99 percent to the 1 percent? How do they deliver for an embattled middle class in a globalized, de-unionized, far-from-full-employment economy, where workers have lost the power they once wielded to ensure a more equitable distribution of income and wealth? What Democrat, besides Elizabeth Warren, campaigned this year to diminish the sway of the banks? Who proposed policies that would give workers the power to win more stable employment and higher incomes, not just at the level of the minimum wage but across the economic spectrum?

And yesterday Talking Points Memo's Josh Marshall added: Again, a stark reality: Democrats don't have a set of policies to turn around this trend. The New York Times David Leonhardt also notes.....snip~

Liberals Admit The Democratic Party Is Out Of Ideas - Conn Carroll
 
Now it is the GOP's turn to get all their ideas shot down... that is if the GOP Congress actually comes up with any new ideas.
 
Out of ideas? You do realize the majority of "liberals positions" are popular correct?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Out of ideas? You do realize the majority of "liberals positions" are popular correct?
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You do realize these are all Liberal Writers and supporters of the Democrats and that Ideology.....Correct? Now why do you think they are saying such? Why are they questioning all those popular ideas? What changed about using government as a tool?




Democrats campaigned on a range of economic issues — the minimum wage, pay equity, student loan affordability, expanded pre-kindergarten education — but these didn’t cut through people’s economic anxieties, because they didn’t believe government can successfully address them.

“People are deeply suspicious that government can deliver on these problems,” Mellman says, in a reference to the voter groups that continue to elude Democrats. “And they are not wrong. We’ve been promising that government can be a tool to improve people’s economic situation for decades, and by and large, it hasn’t happened.”.....snip~
 
It's not that liberalism itself is being questioned, it's that the Democratic Party moves further and further away from liberalism every day, and that's what is being questioned.
 
I don't believe for a minute that the Democratic Party is out of ideas. They have lots of ideas. Unfortunately, so many of them are so bad that nobody wants to push or support them. And because Barack Obama was the logical promoter of all those ideas, he is taking the heat for the losses last week. Maybe this will be a wake up call for the Democratic Party to stop blindly following and/or propping him up and decide they better start doing their jobs because defending the President and/or blaming George Bush and/or the Republicans just isn't working any more.
 
Yes and no. A Party and ideology runs out of steam every 10-20 years. Much of it merely needs repackaging to become energetic again, but some of it needs to be rethought. Another part of this is letting the other guy take over for a while so your old ideas look good and new again.

Then there's this piece of wisdom for Democrats about 20 years ago which tackled the exact same problem in the midst of 1994's defeat and the rising conservative agenda idea machine.

Miles to Go: A Personal History of Social Policy: Daniel Patrick Moynihan: 9780674574410: Amazon.com: Books

Has liberalism lost its way--or merely its voice? This book by one of the nation's most insightful, articulate, and powerful Democrats at last breaks the silence that has greeted the Republican Party's revolution of 1994. When voters handed Democrats their worst defeat in 100 years, New Yorkers returned Daniel Patrick Moynihan to the Senate for his fourth term. Amid the wreck of his party's control and the disarray of programs and policies he has championed for three decades, Senator Moynihan here takes stock of the politics, economics, and social problems that have brought us to this pass. With a clarity and civility far too rare in the political arena, he offers a wide-ranging meditation on the nation's social strategies for the last 60 years, as well as a vision for the years to come.

Because Senator Moynihan has long been a defender of the policies whose fortunes he follows here, Miles to Go is in a sense autobiographical, an exemplary account of the social life of the body politic. As it guides us through government's attempts to grapple with thorny problems like family disintegration, welfare, health care, deviance, and addiction, Moynihan writes of "The Coming of Age of American Social Policy." Through most of our history American social policy has dealt with issues that first arose in Europe, and essentially followed European models. Now, in a post-industrial society we face issues that first appear in the United States for which we will have to devise our own responses. Ringing with the wisdom of experience, decency, and common sense, Miles to Go asks "why liberalism cannot be taught what conservatives seem to know instinctively"--to heed the political and moral sentiments of the people and reshape itself for the coming age.
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APACHERAT said:
Harry Reid followed Obama's orders and pigeonholed all of those ideas.
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I would note this is their own calling out the failures. Are they getting over emotional about all of this? :mrgreen:



But multiple Democratic pollsters involved in these races identify another problem: The failure of the Democrats’ economic message to win overpersuadable voters, ones outside the ascendant Democratic coalition, in the numbers needed to offset the structural disadvantages Democratic incumbents and candidates faced. These pollsters describe this as a serious problem afflicting the Democratic Party that must be addressed heading into 2016.

But that doesn't mean conservatives should raise tax rates on anybody. Instead, conservatives could eliminate or reduce a slew of tax expenditures that primarily benefit wealthy Americans, and then use that revenue to give every working American a raise by cutting the payroll tax. Such a move would not only immediately put more cash into every working American's paycheck, but it would also create thousands of new jobs by lowering the cost of employment.....snip~

And here, the NY Times Writer is telling the Demos what the GOP will do.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I don't believe for a minute that the Democratic Party is out of ideas. They have lots of ideas. Unfortunately, so many of them are so bad that nobody wants to push or support them. And because Barack Obama was the logical promoter of all those ideas, he is taking the heat for the losses last week. Maybe this will be a wake up call for the Democratic Party to stop blindly following and/or propping him up and decide they better start doing their jobs because defending the President and/or blaming George Bush and/or the Republicans just isn't working any more.
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When did the Democrats have the ability to pass legislation in the last Congress? That is why there was no laws being passed.

GOP could no pass legislation; the Democrats could not pass legislation. Nothing has changed.
 
MMC said:
You do realize these are all Liberal Writers and supporters of the Democrats and that Ideology.....Correct? Now why do you think they are saying such? Why are they questioning all those popular ideas? What changed about using government as a tool?




Democrats campaigned on a range of economic issues — the minimum wage, pay equity, student loan affordability, expanded pre-kindergarten education — but these didn’t cut through people’s economic anxieties, because they didn’t believe government can successfully address them.

“People are deeply suspicious that government can deliver on these problems,” Mellman says, in a reference to the voter groups that continue to elude Democrats. “And they are not wrong. We’ve been promising that government can be a tool to improve people’s economic situation for decades, and by and large, it hasn’t happened.”.....snip~
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All of the spin can't change the fact that democrat policies have demonstrably failed. Libs are being mugged by reality. Heres to a long and costly "civil war" within that party. Perhaps they will emerge with policies that actually help the American people-but I doubt it.
 
TeleKat said:
It's not that liberalism itself is being questioned, it's that the Democratic Party moves further and further away from liberalism every day, and that's what is being questioned.
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Right. Thats why so many voted for republicans-because liberals aren't liberal enough. Makes sense. :lamo
 
Fiddytree said:
Yes and no. A Party and ideology runs out of steam every 10-20 years. Much of it merely needs repackaging to become energetic again, but some of it needs to be rethought. Another part of this is letting the other guy take over for a while so your old ideas look good and new again.

Then there's this piece of wisdom for Democrats about 20 years ago which tackled the exact same problem in the midst of 1994's defeat and the rising conservative agenda idea machine.

Miles to Go: A Personal History of Social Policy: Daniel Patrick Moynihan: 9780674574410: Amazon.com: Books
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Heya Fiddy. :2wave: Which you just gave a part of the answer to the repeating cycle. Still Meyerson and the Talking Points Memo are talking about them not having a set of policies. Minimum wage goes back 50 years or so. The War on Women was lost by the Democrats with this election. They cannot show government can be used as a tool.




A defeat of this magnitude suggests that the Democrats are in the same fix as most of the center-left parties of Europe—parties that purport to be the economic advocates of the middle and working classes, but preside over abysmal economies with no clear sense of how to make them better.

Economic populism or another comparable politics with a different tonality won't get you very far if you can get beyond beating up on the winners to providing concrete improvements to those losing out in today's economy.

Again, a stark reality: Democrats don't have a set of policies to turn around this trend.....snip~
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Out of ideas? You do realize the majority of "liberals positions" are popular correct?
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Apparently not. The liberal position on everything is more government. That's fine, I suppose, until the party of big government demonstrates that it has no ability to properly manage the monstrosity it has created. Perhaps liberal ideas weren't rejected, but the liberal creation of a massive, corrupt, unaccountable, inefficient, wasteful, unresponsive, bureaucratic, overbearing and dishonest government was.
 
1750Texan said:
When did the Democrats have the ability to pass legislation in the last Congress? That is why there was no laws being passed.

GOP could no pass legislation; the Democrats could not pass legislation. Nothing has changed.
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Where did I say anything about legislation? The topic is ideas.
 
This is why people should not go to opinion pie3ces for news. They lie. Nowhere in the quotes did any one admit to being out of ideas. What was stated is the the ideas as they where presented did not address what voters where worried about. The whole thread is based on a lie. It should also be noted that what the people quotes in the source piece where talking about was primarily income inequity and wage stagnation, and no one, not democrats, not republicans, not any one has a sure fire, 100 % fix for it. But at least one party, the democratic party, is at least suggesting things to make it better.

Every one would be well served to stop looking for others to tell them what to think and go out and actually look at the real news and decide for themselves what to think. It is harder, but it is good for you.
 
APACHERAT said:
Harry Reid followed Obama's orders and pigeonholed all of those ideas.
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Greetings, APACHERAT. :2wave:

And look at what happened in the mid-terms as a result. While surrounding yourself with "yes men" is very flattering to someone with a leadership problem, the others that don't agree find themselves either marginalized or out of a job - like so many of our top-notch military personnel have discovered.

Our debt keeps climbing, though, with nearly 50 million people on food stamps and other government safety nets, but I think we still have a work ethic in this country, because people haven't changed that much in the past 25 years! It's just become easier for some to hear "let someone else pay for what you want," and they buy into that! Are we to become a 3rd world country like so many are trying to escape by coming here? Surely not!
 
US Conservative said:
All of the spin can't change the fact that democrat policies have demonstrably failed. Libs are being mugged by reality. Heres to a long and costly "civil war" within that party. Perhaps they will emerge with policies that actually help the American people-but I doubt it.
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Yeah they can't point to government being the answer.....yet their own people are pointing out their failures and how they failed or why.
 
US Conservative said:
Its a tough time to be a liberal. :2dancing::2dancing::2dancing:
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Not particularly, no. We have been through it before, we will go through it again, and we will come out stronger. But all things considered, we can still stop republicans from really doing any significant damage, so no, it is not that tough.
 
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