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The Shrinkage of the Obama Majority.....

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No matter how much BO denies the Historic Victory by the Republicans.....there is no mistaking that this election was a repudiation of Big Government policies and the Obama Democrats. The War on Women has been lost by the Democrats. It is no longer the Republicans that has the stigma of being Old and Stale.....with nothing but Ideology that fails. It is these Democrats.....and now they will need to distance themselves from BO in order to save their party going forward. What can they run on in 2016? What can they show works for the Entire country? What say ye?




Democrats see themselves as the party of the future. But their policies are antique. The federal minimum wage dates to 1938, equal pay for women to 1963, access to contraceptives to 1965. Raising these issues now is campaign gimmickry, not serious policymaking. Democratic leading lights have been around a long time. The party's two congressional leaders are in their 70s. The governors of the two largest Democratic states are sons of former governors who won their first statewide elections in 1950 and 1978.

(4) Democratic territory has been reduced to the bastions of two core groups -- black voters and gentry liberals. Democrats win New York City and the San Francisco Bay area by overwhelming margins, but are outvoted in almost all the territory in between -- including, this year, Obama's Illinois. Gov. Jerry Brown ran well behind in California's Central Valley, and Gov. Andrew Cuomo lost most of upstate New York.

(7) This election was a repudiation of the big government policies of the Obama Democrats. It was not so much an endorsement of Republicans as it was an invitation to them to come up with better alternative policies.....snip~

The Shrinkage of the Obama Majority - Michael Barone - Page 2
 
Did you actually bring up age?

I mean, have you seen the pruned face of that moron McCain?
 
MMC said:
No matter how much BO denies the Historic Victory by the Republicans.....there is no mistaking that this election was a repudiation of Big Government policies and the Obama Democrats.
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And in 2016 when Hillary wins the White House and the Democrats take control of the Senate it'll be seen as a repudiation of the Right.

Yawn.

Have you not been paying attention?

This "paradigm shift" happens every couple years and nothing ever changes.
 
MMC said:
No matter how much BO denies the Historic Victory by the Republicans.....there is no mistaking that this election was a repudiation of Big Government policies and the Obama Democrats. The War on Women has been lost by the Democrats. It is no longer the Republicans that has the stigma of being Old and Stale.....with nothing but Ideology that fails. It is these Democrats.....and now they will need to distance themselves from BO in order to save their party going forward. What can they run on in 2016? What can they show works for the Entire country? What say ye?




Democrats see themselves as the party of the future. But their policies are antique. The federal minimum wage dates to 1938, equal pay for women to 1963, access to contraceptives to 1965. Raising these issues now is campaign gimmickry, not serious policymaking. Democratic leading lights have been around a long time. The party's two congressional leaders are in their 70s. The governors of the two largest Democratic states are sons of former governors who won their first statewide elections in 1950 and 1978.

(4) Democratic territory has been reduced to the bastions of two core groups -- black voters and gentry liberals. Democrats win New York City and the San Francisco Bay area by overwhelming margins, but are outvoted in almost all the territory in between -- including, this year, Obama's Illinois. Gov. Jerry Brown ran well behind in California's Central Valley, and Gov. Andrew Cuomo lost most of upstate New York.

(7) This election was a repudiation of the big government policies of the Obama Democrats. It was not so much an endorsement of Republicans as it was an invitation to them to come up with better alternative policies.....snip~

The Shrinkage of the Obama Majority - Michael Barone - Page 2
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If Republicans think that this election means that America sides 100% with Republicans, than they didn't listen to the message at all this last election. People are upset with politics from the GOP AND the Dems. The Dems were on the chopping block this election and next election in 2016 the GOP will be on the chopping block. Sounds like many in the GOP are counting their policies before they have been signed again.

But hey, if it makes the right to sleep better at night thinking the "Dems are dead again", by all means continue. It will only bite them later on and the cycle will continue as always since both parties don't change.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Yeah, he did. Did you read the entire statement where he equivocated by saying that 2/3rds of the nation didn't vote, therefore the election really didn't (and I'm paraphrasing) mean anything?
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He denied the election? No he didnt.
 
MMC said:
No matter how much BO denies the Historic Victory by the Republicans....
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Erm. What was "historic" about it? Midterm elections have gone to the party that is out of power for what, a few decades now?

I might add that every two years or so, the pundits have an orgy of "It's Historic!" Does no one have any memory these days?


....there is no mistaking that this election was a repudiation of Big Government policies and the Obama Democrats.
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Actually, there's quite a few possible alternatives, including:

• People not associating gridlock in Congress with their actual elected representatives
• Years of gerrymandering have favored Republicans more than Democrats
• Democratic voters just aren't turning out for midterm elections / tend to vote big in Presidential election years
• People are deeply unhappy with national Republicans, but like local Republican candidates


The War on Women has been lost by the Democrats. It is no longer the Republicans that has the stigma of being Old and Stale....
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Spin spin spin...


What can they show works for the Entire country? What say ye?
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• Unemployment fell... again
• GDP is growing
• The deficit is falling, yet again, in unprecedented amounts
• Stock market is doing very well
• Housing market is slowly coming back
• Health care reform cut the number of uninsured by 8-11 million people (a 25% one-year drop)
• US is doing OK, while China and the EU are struggling economically

Yeah, those guys suck.


Democrats see themselves as the party of the future[/B]. But their policies are antique.
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Yes, because it's not like the Republicans have spent the past 30 years advocating the exact same policies over and over again. ;)

TThe reason for those claims about the future are, as you should know, due to demographics. The Republican Party is still predominantly the party of white older men, who are the ones who turned out for the midterms. Most of whom they voted into office were, wait for it... white older men.


The federal minimum wage dates to 1938, equal pay for women to 1963, access to contraceptives to 1965. Raising these issues now is campaign gimmickry....
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The minimum wage hasn't changed in 5 years, and numerous state ballots voted in favor of raising state minimum wages. Women still don't receive equal pay for equal work. Access to contraceptives and abortion have been under attack since the minute they were legalized.

You might as well say that "conservative opposition to minimum wage hikes, disregard for women's rights and contraceptives are decades-old policies show that their policies are ancient." Actually, come to think of it... :D


Democratic territory has been reduced to the bastions of two core groups -- black voters and gentry liberals.
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*sigh*

Dems have fairly broad backing in lower- and middle-class income groups. They do have a lock on blacks, but that's at least in part because Republicans have given up on even trying to appeal to blacks. They could certainly recapture the Hispanic vote, since it wasn't that long ago that many Hispanics voted for Bush 43, and seem to share certain aspects of the Republican point of view, but that relationship keeps getting ruined by the nativists. The gender and age gaps are still holding solid.

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I have to wonder if pundits (of any stripe) actually bother to check on -- what are those things again? Oh, I know. Facts.


Democrats win New York City and the San Francisco Bay area by overwhelming margins, but are outvoted in almost all the territory in between....
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The densest parts of the US are the coasts.


Jerry Brown ran well behind in California's Central Valley, and Gov. Andrew Cuomo lost most of upstate New York.
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Both are areas of low density and low population. IIRC both have leaned conservative / Republican for years.


This election was a repudiation of the big government policies of the Obama Democrats. It was not so much an endorsement of Republicans as it was an invitation to them to come up with better alternative policies....
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Erm.... I hate to break this to you, but Republicans have had six years plus to come up with alternative policies, and don't really seem to have done much other than trot out the old warhorses: Cut taxes, cut regulations, kill any type of health care reform, gerrymander districts, and so forth.

Let's also keep in mind that for the most part, the Tea Party types took a big drubbing in the primaries. Outside of Texas, Republicans basically moved a fraction towards the center this year.


Bottom line? The electorate hasn't actually changed. All that happened was Republicans showed up on Tuesday, and Democrats didn't. And Republicans won't do themselves any favors by ignoring long-term trends.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
He denied the election? No he didnt.
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Didn't say he denied the election - he just denied that it meant anything and, that he doesn't have to change and, that the Republicans have to give him exactly what he wants or he will act by imperial fiat.
 
MMC said:
Yeah, didn't you hear that part on him saying he heard the 2/3rds that didn't vote? Now why would he assume all of them would be supporting him?
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I dont think he assumed all of them would support him. However as data and studies show most of the people who dont turnout during midterms generally vote Democratic when they do turn out...

Only thing he did was acknowledge the Republicans had won.

Moreover, his statements after the fact and behavior shows it for what it is.
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That he said "to those who voted, I hear you"? Seems like he acknowledges that he and his party got his ass kicked.
 
Visbek said:
Erm. What was "historic" about it? Midterm elections have gone to the party that is out of power for what, a few decades now?

I might add that every two years or so, the pundits have an orgy of "It's Historic!" Does no one have any memory these days?



Actually, there's quite a few possible alternatives, including:

• People not associating gridlock in Congress with their actual elected representatives
• Years of gerrymandering have favored Republicans more than Democrats
• Democratic voters just aren't turning out for midterm elections / tend to vote big in Presidential election years
• People are deeply unhappy with national Republicans, but like local Republican candidates



Spin spin spin...



• Unemployment fell... again
• GDP is growing
• The deficit is falling, yet again, in unprecedented amounts
• Stock market is doing very well
• Housing market is slowly coming back
• Health care reform cut the number of uninsured by 8-11 million people (a 25% one-year drop)
• US is doing OK, while China and the EU are struggling economically

Yeah, those guys suck.



Yes, because it's not like the Republicans have spent the past 30 years advocating the exact same policies over and over again. ;)

TThe reason for those claims about the future are, as you should know, due to demographics. The Republican Party is still predominantly the party of white older men, who are the ones who turned out for the midterms. Most of whom they voted into office were, wait for it... white older men.



The minimum wage hasn't changed in 5 years, and numerous state ballots voted in favor of raising state minimum wages. Women still don't receive equal pay for equal work. Access to contraceptives and abortion have been under attack since the minute they were legalized.

You might as well say that "conservative opposition to minimum wage hikes, disregard for women's rights and contraceptives are decades-old policies show that their policies are ancient." Actually, come to think of it... :D



*sigh*

Dems have fairly broad backing in lower- and middle-class income groups. They do have a lock on blacks, but that's at least in part because Republicans have given up on even trying to appeal to blacks. They could certainly recapture the Hispanic vote, since it wasn't that long ago that many Hispanics voted for Bush 43, and seem to share certain aspects of the Republican point of view, but that relationship keeps getting ruined by the nativists. The gender and age gaps are still holding solid.

FT_Midterm.Gender.Updated.3.png


I have to wonder if pundits (of any stripe) actually bother to check on -- what are those things again? Oh, I know. Facts.



The densest parts of the US are the coasts.



Both are areas of low density and low population. IIRC both have leaned conservative / Republican for years.



Erm.... I hate to break this to you, but Republicans have had six years plus to come up with alternative policies, and don't really seem to have done much other than trot out the old warhorses: Cut taxes, cut regulations, kill any type of health care reform, gerrymander districts, and so forth.

Let's also keep in mind that for the most part, the Tea Party types took a big drubbing in the primaries. Outside of Texas, Republicans basically moved a fraction towards the center this year.


Bottom line? The electorate hasn't actually changed. All that happened was Republicans showed up on Tuesday, and Democrats didn't. And Republicans won't do themselves any favors by ignoring long-term trends.
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What was Historic about it?

Plenty.....the GOP has 33 Governorships, 66 out of 99 State Legislatures, The Senate, The House.

They elected the first Black Conservative Woman to Congress. The first Black Senator since reconstruction. They also elected the Youngest woman to Congress. Kasich of Ohio took 86 counties out of 88 and 1 out of every four Democrat votes.

They Took Illinois, Massachusetts, and Maryland away from the Demos. New Mexico voted in a Republican House for the first time in 62 years.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-el...mi-gop-gains-across-board-historic-sweep.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/south...se-first-time-since-1950s.html#post1063953289

Bottomline.....the numbers the Democrats got beat out on points to the reality of the situation. The Majority of races wasn't even close. Moreover a lot of young people came out for Repubs. Independents went with the Repubs. All pretty much were tired of Big Government and BO's failings and direction he was taking this country.

People were tired of BO's change.....in their pockets.
 
soot said:
And in 2016 when Hillary wins the White House and the Democrats take control of the Senate it'll be seen as a repudiation of the Right.

Yawn.

Have you not been paying attention?

This "paradigm shift" happens every couple years and nothing ever changes.
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If the GOP governs and shows some backbone.....Hillary will be a forgotten memory. Besides now she will have some competition other than Biden. Which causes Bilbo and Hillary plenty to worry about.

As the Demos will look to Jerry Brown who won his 4th Governorship.....now think about California not going with Hillary and what type of trouble that brings her.
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soot said:
And in 2016 when Hillary wins the White House and the Democrats take control of the Senate it'll be seen as a repudiation of the Right.

Yawn.

Have you not been paying attention?

This "paradigm shift" happens every couple years and nothing ever changes.
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I know whistling past the graveyard when I hear it.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I dont think he assumed all of them would support him. However as data and studies show most of the people who dont turnout during midterms generally vote Democratic when they do turn out...


That he said "to those who voted, I hear you"? Seems like he acknowledges that he and his party got his ass kicked.
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He acknowledged the Republicans won. Said they ran good campaigns. That's it.....the rest was all downplaying the victory, hence back to his threat of his Temp pen and phone.
 
MMC said:
He acknowledged the Republicans won. Said they ran good campaigns. That's it.....the rest was all downplaying the victory, hence back to his threat of his Temp pen and phone.
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He said "There is no doubt the Republicans had a good night.". Sorry he didnt do a happy dance for you..
 
TheDemSocialist said:
He said "There is no doubt the Republicans had a good night.". Sorry he didnt do a happy dance for you..
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Just because he went thru the motion TDS doesn't mean that he believes he needs to change up anything. Which now he has given several statements as to how he isn't going to change his ways. Plus his usual line of BS.....how he wants to work with Republicans.

When one runs around the country talking about how the Rights Ideas don't work. "Their" ideas don't work. Conservatism doesn't work. Pretty much tells one where he is at working with those he don't like.

But now he will be Forced to.....whether he likes it or not.
 
MMC said:
Just because he went thru the motion TDS doesn't mean that he believes he needs to change up anything. Which now he has given several statements as to how he isn't going to change his ways. Plus his usual line of BS.....how he wants to work with Republicans.

When one runs around the country talking about how the Rights Ideas don't work. "Their" ideas don't work. Conservatism doesn't work. Pretty much tells one where he is at working with those he don't like.

But now he will be Forced to.....whether he likes it or not.
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So now you know what he "really thinks" eh?
 
soot said:
And in 2016 when Hillary wins the White House and the Democrats take control of the Senate it'll be seen as a repudiation of the Right.

Yawn.

Have you not been paying attention?

This "paradigm shift" happens every couple years and nothing ever changes.
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Ah...didn't you predict Obama would regain his majority in the Senate? If not you, then a few hundred of the frothing frenzy.


Are you willing to put money behind those predictions?

It's a bet I will take in a New York Minute...

What everyone is missing is that Obama doesn't matter anymore, but he's still in control. Everything he does will reflect on Hillary....

This congress is not about Obama, it's about Hillary and forcing her, now that they can, to 'splain where she stands, and a recalcitrant and stubborn little boy of a president is not going to help that at all.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
He denied it? "To those of you who voted, I hear you."
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In the great scheme of things, I am amused always and more and more deeply how superficial and grotesquely naive are the Obama followers.

Sure, if you read the headline, yeah, he says "I hear you", which is about as sincere as "I never said that, what I said was you can keep your plan ..yadda, yadda...

But, you ignore the thrust, the real message in "all the maps plastered across out tv screens and all the naysayers..."

He's recalcitrant, pledging to ignore the vote, and embrace the ideals of the "two thirds of Americans who didn't vote" as though somehow the people who hate him so much now they stayed home are a new kind of "silent majority"

He IS denying that he, his policies and his star status are dead. DOA 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, D.C, USA.

Obama is irrelevant. He can't pass a bill, he will have to beg for funding...he can only play dictator....for which Hillary will pay.

A real man, a true adult would have said "America I hear you. I pledge to work with the statesmen YOU elected for me to work with and get congress running again. This child president says, in effect, "The war is ON!"

so much for getting things done
 
Fearandloathing said:
In the great scheme of things, I am amused always and more and more deeply how superficial and grotesquely naive are the Obama followers.

Sure, if you read the headline, yeah, he says "I hear you", which is about as sincere as "I never said that, what I said was you can keep your plan ..yadda, yadda...

But, you ignore the thrust, the real message in "all the maps plastered across out tv screens and all the naysayers..."

He's recalcitrant, pledging to ignore the vote, and embrace the ideals of the "two thirds of Americans who didn't vote" as though somehow the people who hate him so much now they stayed home are a new kind of "silent majority"

He IS denying that he, his policies and his star status are dead. DOA 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, D.C, USA.

Obama is irrelevant. He can't pass a bill, he will have to beg for funding...he can only play dictator....for which Hillary will pay.

A real man, a true adult would have said "America I hear you. I pledge to work with the statesmen YOU elected for me to work with and get congress running again. This child president says, in effect, "The war is ON!"

so much for getting things done
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"He will only play dictator".
-Man I have never seen a dictator get so little done... I have never seen a dictator use this passive of force to get his way... I think your standards for a "dictator" are pretty damn low, but then again I know its just about hyperpartisan petty rhetoric.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
"He will only play dictator".
-Man I have never seen a dictator get so little done... I have never seen a dictator use this passive of force to get his way... I think your standards for a "dictator" are pretty damn low, but then again I know its just about hyperpartisan petty rhetoric.
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First, you make the mistake of thinking I care what you think....

Perhaps if you were to differentiate between what Obama has tried to do with his "pan and phone" and what his incompetence has achieved. I did not say he was a very good dictator, I said he plays dictator.

Please stay current.
 
Fearandloathing said:
First, you make the mistake of thinking I care what you think....
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Then why respond to me?


Perhaps if you were to differentiate between what Obama has tried to do with his "pan and phone" and what his incompetence has achieved.
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Kinda hard to accomplish much in this political climate dont ya think?

I did not say he was a very good dictator, I said he plays dictator.

Please stay current.
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Does every president "play dictator"? Or is it just the big bad Obama?
 
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