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Child poverty up in America by 1.7 million since 2008

rabbitcaebannog said:
If all boats had been lifted in the tide, you wouldn't see an increase in poverty.
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And if the top boat increases more than the bottom, we will see an increase in inequality with a decrease in poverty. Your causal claim is BS.
 
ecofarm said:
And if the top boat increases more than the bottom, we will see an increase in inequality with a decrease in poverty. Your causal claim is BS.
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The top quintile's increase in income has not lifted the bottom out of poverty. Those at the bottom have not made any gains whatsoever, but rather have lost a lot of ground. The tide rising for all philosophy espoused from the conservatives is BS.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
The top quintile's increase in income has not lifted the bottom out of poverty. Those at the bottom have not made any gains whatsoever, but rather have lost a lot of ground. The tide rising for all philosophy espoused from the conservatives is BS.
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None of that changes the fact that your causal claim was, is and always will be BS. Simple stats is enough to see this.
 
ecofarm said:
None of that changes the fact that your causal claim was, is and always will be BS. Simple stats is enough to see this.
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Um, the stats show that the top quintile has made gains while the bottom has lost gains. That proves my point:doh
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
The top's income has been increasing. The working class and middle class incomes have been stagnate, the lowest quintile has lost ground for decades. If all boats had been lifted in the tide, you wouldn't see an increase in poverty.
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You can thank Obama and his QE for that
 
ptif219 said:
The minimum wage has not decreased. Wages went down more for the middle class
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Um, I didn't say the minimum wage decreased but it certainly doesn't have the same buying power it had decades ago. It has far less and that is what causes poverty to rise.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Um, the stats show that the top quintile has made gains while the bottom has lost gains. That proves my point:doh
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Then blame Obama. Obama has been doing fund raisers with the rich for over 6 years. Do you really think Obama gets their money with no pay back
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Um, the stats show that the top quintile has made gains while the bottom has lost gains. That proves my point:doh
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This is hopeless. You are making a false causal claim. Anyone that's taken a stat class knows this. Good day.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Um, I didn't say the minimum wage decreased but it certainly doesn't have the same buying power it had decades ago. It has far less and that is what causes poverty to rise.
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No government handouts and a bad economy and no jobs does that
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
It certainly doesn't help.
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It is because of Obama's failed policies that poverty has increased. Under Obama we had the longest sustained high unemployment since the great depression and the slowest economic recovery since the great depression
 
ptif219 said:
It is because of Obama's failed policies that poverty has increased. Under Obama we had the longest sustained high unemployment since the great depression and the slowest economic recovery since the great depression
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While he hasn't done much to help the situation, it is highly partisan to solely blame him for a whole paradigm shift in economic policy since the 1970s.
 
ptif219 said:
Then blame Obama. Obama has been doing fund raisers with the rich for over 6 years. Do you really think Obama gets their money with no pay back
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The President (any President, for that matter) has far less influence than the public credits them with. When conservatives say this crap, it reminds me of liberals whining about Hoover and the Great Depression.
 
Fiddytree said:
The President (any President, for that matter) has far less influence than the public credits them with. When conservatives say this crap, it reminds me of liberals whining about Hoover and the Great Depression.
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So the EPA and the Justice department and other department have no influence. Plus the fact business is going overseas because we have the highest corporate taxes among industrialized nations.
 
ptif219 said:
So the EPA and the Justice department and other department have no influence. Plus the fact business is going overseas because we have the highest corporate taxes among industrialized nations.
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No influence is not the same thing as pointing child poverty increases to the President. There is influence, but only an idiot would prevent the rest of society to be blamed.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
And so did other presidents before him.
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Yet they did not have the slowest economic recovery since the great depression and the longest sustained high unemployment since the great depression. Only Obama gets the credit for that
 
Fiddytree said:
No influence is not the same thing as pointing child poverty increases to the President. There is influence, but only an idiot would prevent the rest of society to be blamed.
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So you are making excuses for Obama's failed policies and his incompetence and his lack of leadership
 
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