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Romney praises President Obama's UE rate "wow, 6 percent sounds pretty good"

iguanaman said:
You should take that up with CATO. They agree that most of the 2009 deficit was from Bush and Bush's policies. The fiscal year was already 1/3 over when Obama took office. I wish you would elaborate on what we got from Bush's 5 trillion he added to the debt too. I suppose the billions lost from the unpaid for prescription drug Medicare extension was Obama's fault too.
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LOL, amazing how it took Gruber to point out what most of us already knew. You people are amazing. Isn't it interesting how Obama's predictions came true, that people like you would blame Bush for the 2009 deficit even after Obama signed the budget?

Tell me, iguanaman, was TARP in the 2009 budget and was it an expense or a loan?

Tell me, iguanaman, was the stimulus in the 2009 budget that Bush submitted?

Tell me, iguanaman, was the Afghanistan supplemental, three of them in the 2009 budget that Bush submitted?

Tell me iguanaman, was the GM/Chrysler takeover in the budget Bush submitted?

Tell me, iguanaman, where were those shovel ready jobs Obama promised to generate new taxpayers to help revenue projections?

Tell me, iguanaman, was the aig bailout in the Bush budget? So many questions and all you can do is point to Cato which is even an article that you don't even understand.

What is it about liberalism that creates people like you. Gruber nailed it and you are making him look right.
 
Conservative said:
LOL, amazing how it took Gruber to point out what most of us already knew. You people are amazing. Isn't it interesting how Obama's predictions came true, that people like you would blame Bush for the 2009 deficit even after Obama signed the budget?

Tell me, iguanaman, was TARP in the 2009 budget and was it an expense or a loan?

Tell me, iguanaman, was the stimulus in the 2009 budget that Bush submitted?

Tell me, iguanaman, was the Afghanistan supplemental, three of them in the 2009 budget that Bush submitted?

Tell me iguanaman, was the GM/Chrysler takeover in the budget Bush submitted?

Tell me, iguanaman, where were those shovel ready jobs Obama promised to generate new taxpayers to help revenue projections?

Tell me, iguanaman, was the aig bailout in the Bush budget? So many questions and all you can do is point to Cato which is even an article that you don't even understand.

What is it about liberalism that creates people like you. Gruber nailed it and you are making him look right.
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So in other words... you have nothing. We have the fastest growing economy in the free world, that is we got we got for the stimulus. What we got for the 5 trillion of debt that Bush added was economic collapse and the deepest recession in 70 years. How's that for value?
 
iguanaman said:
So in other words... you have nothing. We have the fastest growing economy in the free world, that is we got we got for the stimulus. What we got for the 5 trillion of debt that Bush added was economic collapse and the deepest recession in 70 years. How's that for value?
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Man, you don't have a clue, gruber nailed it when it comes to you. When you throw 842 billion into the economy what do you expect the GDP to be? I cannot believe how gullible people like you really are, no clue as to how our economy works or how incompetent Obama really is. Sad. you are worried about the 5 trillion in debt Bush added in 8 years but not the 7.2 trillion Obama has added in 6? Wow, you are incredible. Amazing what liberalism can do to some people, destroy their ability to think or reason.
 
Conservative said:
Man, you don't have a clue, gruber nailed it when it comes to you. When you throw 842 billion into the economy what do you expect the GDP to be? I cannot believe how gullible people like you really are, no clue as to how our economy works or how incompetent Obama really is. Sad. you are worried about the 5 trillion in debt Bush added in 8 years but not the 7.2 trillion Obama has added in 6? Wow, you are incredible. Amazing what liberalism can do to some people, destroy their ability to think or reason.
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at least modern liberalism knows what it stands for and can trace its origin, unlike the modern conservative ideology which tries to pretend that it is the successor of "classical Liberalism" but does not have a precedent in any form of government.
 
Conservative said:
Man, you don't have a clue, gruber nailed it when it comes to you. When you throw 842 billion into the economy what do you expect the GDP to be? I cannot believe how gullible people like you really are, no clue as to how our economy works or how incompetent Obama really is. Sad. you are worried about the 5 trillion in debt Bush added in 8 years but not the 7.2 trillion Obama has added in 6? Wow, you are incredible. Amazing what liberalism can do to some people, destroy their ability to think or reason.
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I'm glad that you at least credit the stimulus for getting our economy growing again. That was Obama's main goal. I wish Republican Presidents were as good at it or as good at adding jobs too. But on to 2016

And they aren’t going to talk about the things that really make people worried. The most important fact of the American economy in the past few decades may be its failure to produce rising wages, but that’s not something Republicans are particularly concerned with. Their economic focus is usually on business owners — the taxes they pay, the regulations they have to abide by, and so on. Even if you believe that helping those owners is the best way to help the people who work for them, you’re going to have a hard time finding Republicans who want to talk about something like wage stagnation.
And the arguments Republicans always make against Democratic proposals aimed directly at workers, like increasing the minimum wage or expanding health coverage, are that the proposals will cost jobs and hinder growth. So they can’t turn around and say, “OK, so growth and job creation may look good, but the real problem is what people earn and how they’re treated on the job.” That’s just not in the Republican DNA.

If there’s an accompanying problem for Democrats, it’s that voters could look at the Obama years and say that yes, it’s now a lot easier to find a job, but the jobs don’t pay what they should or offer the same security and dignity they used to. The American economy is a much crueler place than it once was, and two terms of a Democratic administration haven’t done enough to reverse that evolution.

That could be a genuinely biting critique. But fortunately for Hillary Clinton (or whoever the 2016 Democratic nominee is), Republicans are the last ones who are going to make it.
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With GDP growing strongly, Republicans’ economic dilemma gets more complicated - The Washington Post
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
at least modern liberalism knows what it stands for and can trace its origin, unlike the modern conservative ideology which tries to pretend that it is the successor of "classical Liberalism" but does not have a precedent in any form of government.
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It doesn't take any guts to be a liberal because liberals only think with their hearts and not the brain they were given. They judge people by their own standards and ignore anything that flies in the face of their own opinions. Gruber nailed it and everyday in get conformation of his accuracy especially with people like you. You simply cannot admit that you are wrong on any issue, Results matter and liberals results are a disaster.
 
iguanaman said:
I'm glad that you at least credit the stimulus for getting our economy growing again. That was Obama's main goal. I wish Republican Presidents were as good at it or as good at adding jobs too. But on to 2016

With GDP growing strongly, Republicans’ economic dilemma gets more complicated - The Washington Post
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You really don't understand GDP, do you? What are the four components of GDP and what do each contribute, before and after Obama? Does it bother you that we have so many people unemployed/under employed/discouraged or do you just buy the headlines. You worry about stagnant wages, how about the over 7.5 million part time workers who want full time jobs? How about the 700,000 Americans who have stopped looking for work in this so called booming economy? I really fear for our country when I see such ignorance on the part of people claiming how good the economy is. We saw how good the people thought the economy was during this last election. When will you get it?
 
Conservative said:
It doesn't take any guts to be a liberal because liberals only think with their hearts and not the brain they were given. They judge people by their own standards and ignore anything that flies in the face of their own opinions. Gruber nailed it and everyday in get conformation of his accuracy especially with people like you. You simply cannot admit that you are wrong on any issue, Results matter and liberals results are a disaster.
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results do matter, and No purely Conservative government has produced any results.
 
Conservative said:
Look here, a perfect example of Gruber's statement. Not surprising you don't know the difference between a continuing resolution and a supplemental which makes you a person Gruber was talking about
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oh Con, your BDS driven definition of budget doesn't make the fact you posted

Bush didn't have a 2009 supplemental budget for 2009
Bush didn't have a 2009 supplemental budget for 2009
Bush didn't have a 2009 supplemental budget for 2009
where did I say Bush didn't have a 2009 supplemental budget for 2009?

Conservative said:
Ask yourself where the Stimulus, GM/Chrysler takeover, Afghanistan supplemental was in that 2009 deficit that you change to Bush? Amazing isn't it how Obama allowed that dumb Texan to sneak back into the WH and implement economic policies? No, wait that would be dumb Obamabots buying the leftwing rhetoric.
……….There was no Bush Afghanistan Supplemental.
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Conservative said:
the Bush budget didn't have Afghanistan supplementals in it. Why did Obama sign the Bush Budget in March 2009? You want to blame Bush for the budget deficit but not Obama who signed the budget? Wow, amazing..
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Conservative said:
Then you shouldn't have any problem posting a quote from me where I said that Bush didn't have war supplementals. He had none in 2009 because he had the continuing resolutions. Where is that war supplemental for Bush in 2009?.
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and don't forget you posted these BDS driven nuggets
Conservative said:
Bush never had a trillion dollar deficit and that is a fact.
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Conservative said:
GW Bush never had a 500 billion dollar deficit .
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RepubLies such as Norquist have now turned the corner on the economy.
No longer able to bad-mouth the economy, they are now pointing to such maneuvers as sequestration as helping the economy.
Though it was Boehner who blamed Obama for the sequester.

I will give the GOP credit for their two government shutdowns, credit downgrade,
Supercommittee failure, Simpson/Bowles defeat and grand bargain down the drain .

iguanaman said:
I'm glad that you at least credit the stimulus for getting our economy growing again. That was Obama's main goal. I wish Republican Presidents were as good at it or as good at adding jobs too. But on to 2016

With GDP growing strongly, Republicans’ economic dilemma gets more complicated - The Washington Post
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Conservative said:
LOL, amazing how it took Gruber to point out what most of us already knew. You people are amazing. Isn't it interesting how Obama's predictions came true, that people like you would blame Bush for the 2009 deficit even after Obama signed the budget?

Tell me, iguanaman, was TARP in the 2009 budget and was it an expense or a loan?

Tell me, iguanaman, was the stimulus in the 2009 budget that Bush submitted?

Tell me, iguanaman, was the Afghanistan supplemental, three of them in the 2009 budget that Bush submitted?

Tell me iguanaman, was the GM/Chrysler takeover in the budget Bush submitted?

Tell me, iguanaman, where were those shovel ready jobs Obama promised to generate new taxpayers to help revenue projections?

Tell me, iguanaman, was the aig bailout in the Bush budget? So many questions and all you can do is point to Cato which is even an article that you don't even understand.

What is it about liberalism that creates people like you. Gruber nailed it and you are making him look right.
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You can tell when a conservative is on the run. He posts silly questions like Fenton. look at him, thanks to his BDS, he's actually proud of his post. Look, he still posting about afghan supplementals as if I didn't just prove his grasp on reality has been shattered by his BDS. amazeballs.

He has to try to torture the facts in a vague non-specific way because he knows the CBO revised Bush's last budget deficit to 1.2 trillion specifically because of TARP, auto loans, higher UE, higher welfare, higher SS, lower revenues. That's why we got these BDS driven funnies

Conservative said:
You know what is quite telling is that you post CBO projections and ignore the fact that Obama made those projections come true, not GW Bush.
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Conservative said:
You are absolutely amazing, where do liberals come up with people like you. You don't understand a continuing resolution nor that Obama made the CBO PROJECTIONS accurate with his spending knowing that people like you would blame it on Bush.
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Unitedwestand13 said:
results do matter, and No purely Conservative government has produced any results.
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You make wild statements, now prove it? Liberalism is about thinking only with your heart, judging everyone else by your own standards, and spending in the name of compassion just to make you feel good. Results never matter to a liberal just the thought of generating results. To a liberal it never is about equal opportunity but rather equal outcome and to generate that equal outcome you take from others to fuel your feelings.
 
Vern said:
oh Con, your BDS driven definition of budget doesn't make the fact you posted

Bush didn't have a 2009 supplemental budget for 2009
Bush didn't have a 2009 supplemental budget for 2009
Bush didn't have a 2009 supplemental budget for 2009
where did I say Bush didn't have a 2009 supplemental budget for 2009?







and don't forget you posted these BDS driven nuggets
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Continuing resolutions AREN'T Supplemental budgets, they are continuation of spending per previous agreed upon numbers. I am getting sick and tired of your bs.
 
Vern said:
You can tell when a conservative is on the run. He posts silly questions like Fenton. look at him, thanks to his BDS, he's actually proud of his post. Look, he still posting about afghan supplementals as if I didn't just prove his grasp on reality has been shattered by his BDS. amazeballs.

He has to try to torture the facts in a vague non-specific way because he knows the CBO revised Bush's last budget deficit to 1.2 trillion specifically because of TARP, auto loans, higher UE, higher welfare, higher SS, lower revenues. That's why we got these BDS driven funnies
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Do you know the difference between a loan and an expense? TARP Was a loan that was repaid with interest, where did that repayment go? An expense is never repaid. Where did you go to school or are you still in school?
 
Conservative said:
Continuing resolutions AREN'T Supplemental budgets, they are continuation of spending per previous agreed upon numbers. I am getting sick and tired of your bs.
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Oh Con, your BDS is getting worse. I wasn't discussing your hilarious yet sad delusion that Bush is magically not responsible for 2009. I was discussing these posts from you

Bush didn't have a 2009 supplemental budget for 2009
Bush didn't have a 2009 supplemental budget for 2009
Bush didn't have a 2009 supplemental budget for 2009
where did I say Bush didn't have a 2009 supplemental budget for 2009?

Conservative said:
Ask yourself where the Stimulus, GM/Chrysler takeover, Afghanistan supplemental was in that 2009 deficit that you change to Bush? Amazing isn't it how Obama allowed that dumb Texan to sneak back into the WH and implement economic policies? No, wait that would be dumb Obamabots buying the leftwing rhetoric.
……….There was no Bush Afghanistan Supplemental.
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Conservative said:
the Bush budget didn't have Afghanistan supplementals in it. Why did Obama sign the Bush Budget in March 2009? You want to blame Bush for the budget deficit but not Obama who signed the budget? Wow, amazing..
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Conservative said:
Then you shouldn't have any problem posting a quote from me where I said that Bush didn't have war supplementals. He had none in 2009 because he had the continuing resolutions. Where is that war supplemental for Bush in 2009?.
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mmm, UE is down to 5%, mmmmm. maybe this news deserves its own thread.
 
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