FACT CHECK: Obama in UN speech spins statistics.....

MMC · Sep 25, 2014

Say what.....BO wasn't telling the truth about some of that Climate Change. Now all the other World leaders are finding out. That's not good now is it?

President Barack Obama glossed over some inconvenient truths Tuesday in his climate-change speech to the United Nations. For one, as the U.S. cleans up emissions at home, it's sending dirty fuel abroad to pollute the same sky. As well, the U.S. is not cleaning up quite as aggressively as Obama implied in his remarks. A look at some of Obama's claims and how they compare with the facts:

OBAMA ADMINISTRATION: From a White House background document: "The Climate Action Plan is working. In 2012, U.S. greenhouse gas emissions fell to the lowest level in nearly two decades."

THE FACTS: That plan has nothing to do with reductions in emissions in 2012 because it was not announced until June 2013. Moreover, two of its cornerstone regulations — controls on new and existing coal-fired power plants — are at this point just proposals. The administration isn't expected to complete those rules until next year and some states may not submit plans until after Obama leaves office. The statement also leaves out the fact that in 2013, emissions in the U.S. rose for the first time since 2007. Obama did invest in renewable energy and boost fuel economy before announcing the climate plan. But the plan can't be credited with improving anything before it came into existence.....snip~

FACT CHECK: Obama in UN speech spins statistics

tres borrachos · Sep 25, 2014

MMC said:
Say what.....BO wasn't telling the truth about some of that Climate Change. Now all the other World leaders are finding out. That's not good now is it?

President Barack Obama glossed over some inconvenient truths Tuesday in his climate-change speech to the United Nations. For one, as the U.S. cleans up emissions at home, it's sending dirty fuel abroad to pollute the same sky. As well, the U.S. is not cleaning up quite as aggressively as Obama implied in his remarks. A look at some of Obama's claims and how they compare with the facts:

OBAMA ADMINISTRATION: From a White House background document: "The Climate Action Plan is working. In 2012, U.S. greenhouse gas emissions fell to the lowest level in nearly two decades."

THE FACTS: That plan has nothing to do with reductions in emissions in 2012 because it was not announced until June 2013. Moreover, two of its cornerstone regulations — controls on new and existing coal-fired power plants — are at this point just proposals. The administration isn't expected to complete those rules until next year and some states may not submit plans until after Obama leaves office. The statement also leaves out the fact that in 2013, emissions in the U.S. rose for the first time since 2007. Obama did invest in renewable energy and boost fuel economy before announcing the climate plan. But the plan can't be credited with improving anything before it came into existence.....snip~

FACT CHECK: Obama in UN speech spins statistics

Interesting. He took a whole lot of liberties there, didn't he?

MMC · Sep 25, 2014

tres borrachos said:
Interesting. He took a whole lot of liberties there, didn't he?

Heya TB.

He sure did. How did you like him taking credit for something that hasn't been put into action?

tres borrachos · Sep 25, 2014

MMC said:
Heya TB.

He sure did. How did you like him taking credit for something that hasn't been put into action?

I laughed. But the weird thing is, I can picture some of the bobbleheaders actually giving him credit for that.

MMC · Sep 25, 2014

tres borrachos said:
I laughed. But the weird thing is, I can picture some of the bobbleheaders actually giving him credit for that.

Don't you just luv when the left finds a word they can attach to this issue? Climate Resilience. :shock: BO is directing them to factor in some Climate Resilience with our investments. :roll: Does this mean my gold will be shinier? :lol:

OBAMA: "Today I'm directing our federal agencies to begin factoring climate resilience into our international development programs and investments."

THE FACTS: Not an entirely new effort. The U.S. Agency for International Development already factors climate-change impact in its assistance programs, says Oxfam America. Raymond C. Offenheiser, Oxfam America's president, welcomed news that more U.S. agencies will do the same while saying that amounts to "a drop in the bucket" without additional financial commitments.....snip~ <<<<< same link.

American · Sep 25, 2014

Our leftwing friends appear to agree with you. :mrgreen:

MMC · Sep 25, 2014

American said:
Our leftwing friends appear to agree with you. :mrgreen:

Heya American. :2wave: Yeah you know how that plays out. :lol: Where is Jack Hays.....I am sure he would like to note some of this.

American · Sep 25, 2014

Where are our leftwing friends.

*crickets*

:lamo

Meadowlark · Sep 25, 2014

It's getting tougher and tougher to believe anything BO says these days.

Fearandloathing · Sep 25, 2014

MMC said:
Say what.....BO wasn't telling the truth about some of that Climate Change. Now all the other World leaders are finding out. That's not good now is it?

President Barack Obama glossed over some inconvenient truths Tuesday in his climate-change speech to the United Nations. For one, as the U.S. cleans up emissions at home, it's sending dirty fuel abroad to pollute the same sky. As well, the U.S. is not cleaning up quite as aggressively as Obama implied in his remarks. A look at some of Obama's claims and how they compare with the facts:

OBAMA ADMINISTRATION: From a White House background document: "The Climate Action Plan is working. In 2012, U.S. greenhouse gas emissions fell to the lowest level in nearly two decades."

THE FACTS: That plan has nothing to do with reductions in emissions in 2012 because it was not announced until June 2013. Moreover, two of its cornerstone regulations — controls on new and existing coal-fired power plants — are at this point just proposals. The administration isn't expected to complete those rules until next year and some states may not submit plans until after Obama leaves office. The statement also leaves out the fact that in 2013, emissions in the U.S. rose for the first time since 2007. Obama did invest in renewable energy and boost fuel economy before announcing the climate plan. But the plan can't be credited with improving anything before it came into existence.....snip~

FACT CHECK: Obama in UN speech spins statistics

You're surprised?

This is the same guy who said with a straight face "I didn't say that, what I said was....."

This shouldn't be news....but what it really is is desperation. Claiming credit for a plan that hasn't been activated yet is the stuff of buffoons. The White House is obviously getting some really bad poling numbers or else he would not have shredded every last bit of respect he had with the international community; its no wonder he can't get help with Ira\q, he lies so much NO ONE will trust him, Especially when you say "we're going to eliminate ISIS, can someone lend us some battle ready troops?"

Fearandloathing · Sep 25, 2014

Meadowlark said:
It's getting tougher and tougher to believe anything BO says these days.

I can't recall a time when I did believe him.

Meadowlark · Sep 25, 2014

Fearandloathing said:
I can't recall a time when I did believe him.

I've admitted here prior, I was hopeful in the beginning giving him a fair chance but didn't take long for that hope to be washed away with his first scandal of F&F, then get total flushed by the time Obamacare arrived.

Fearandloathing · Sep 25, 2014

Meadowlark said:
I've admitted here prior, I was hopeful in the beginning giving him a fair chance but didn't take long for that hope to be washed away with his first scandal of F&F, then get total flushed by the time Obamacare arrived.

I would guess I have been around politicians too long, but the first time I saw a whole speech from this guy I knew he was full of ****. The "hope and change" thing didn't help, to me he seemed like Jimmy Carter, all vague and promising all things to all people. Listening from here one would have thought he was the coming of the Messiah, everything was going to change, Gitmo would close, gay marriage in the military, illegals would be welcomed and balance the budget. When you have heard too much too often you realize its like all things too good to be true....

Meadowlark · Sep 25, 2014

Fearandloathing said:
I would guess I have been around politicians too long, but the first time I saw a whole speech from this guy I knew he was full of ****. The "hope and change" thing didn't help, to me he seemed like Jimmy Carter, all vague and promising all things to all people. Listening from here one would have thought he was the coming of the Messiah, everything was going to change, Gitmo would close, gay marriage in the military, illegals would be welcomed and balance the budget. When you have heard too much too often you realize its like all things too good to be true....

You do have a vast background in politics and can read people much easier than most with your experience

I gave him a chance because what other choice did I have, he is our elected president. And no one wants a president to fail when he is running the county, stinks for everyone.

Candidates make far too many promises so my rule of thumb is take what they promise - pick a few items and maybe that much might get done in 8 years and that's a big might.

I've only been here a short time, listening to the defenders is illuminating. We have some very intelligent posters which I enjoy reading and some that make me laugh, which I also enjoy.

BO sounds like a coming Messiah because of the echo effect in the speakers, lol

Fearandloathing · Sep 25, 2014

Meadowlark said:
You do have a vast background in politics and can read people much easier than most with your experience

I gave him a chance because what other choice did I have, he is our elected president. And no one wants a president to fail when he is running the county, stinks for everyone.

Candidates make far too many promises so my rule of thumb is take what they promise - pick a few items and maybe that much might get done in 8 years and that's a big might.

I've only been here a short time, listening to the defenders is illuminating. We have some very intelligent posters which I enjoy reading and some that make me laugh, which I also enjoy.

BO sounds like a coming Messiah because of the echo effect in the speakers, lol

I never vote party lines. Municipally I have the habit of saying "you all deserve to go, if you want my vote, convince me not to fire you."

When you look at it as a guy applying for a job, it gets a lot easier as politicians try to sell you passion....it's not, it's a job and they have to qualify. Obama IMO never did. He's a community organizer with a gift of gab...period. And in my view voting for him only further endangered the company.

I voted Conservative federally from 1994 to 2012. But that's the last. They have outlived their best before date and it's time for a change. The advantage here is that with a three party system and a parliamentary democracy, the next government will like be a minority, either Conservative or Liberal, which is where we get the best government as whoever they are they have to steal their opponents idea to stay in office. More legislation gets passed and it is much more entertaining.

When you have seen billions virtually burned over ideology, you lose the passion and see the comedy. Politics is not about what is, but what you can make it appear to be. What is entertaining is how they dress up their own bull****

MMC · Sep 25, 2014

Fearandloathing said:
You're surprised?

This is the same guy who said with a straight face "I didn't say that, what I said was....."

This shouldn't be news....but what it really is is desperation. Claiming credit for a plan that hasn't been activated yet is the stuff of buffoons. The White House is obviously getting some really bad poling numbers or else he would not have shredded every last bit of respect he had with the international community; its no wonder he can't get help with Ira\q, he lies so much NO ONE will trust him, Especially when you say "we're going to eliminate ISIS, can someone lend us some battle ready troops?"

Well.....all thought he was such a great orator and that he gives good speeches. Seems his speaking ability is waning too.

Jack Hays · Sep 25, 2014

MMC said:
Say what.....BO wasn't telling the truth about some of that Climate Change. Now all the other World leaders are finding out. That's not good now is it?

President Barack Obama glossed over some inconvenient truths Tuesday in his climate-change speech to the United Nations. For one, as the U.S. cleans up emissions at home, it's sending dirty fuel abroad to pollute the same sky. As well, the U.S. is not cleaning up quite as aggressively as Obama implied in his remarks. A look at some of Obama's claims and how they compare with the facts:

OBAMA ADMINISTRATION: From a White House background document: "The Climate Action Plan is working. In 2012, U.S. greenhouse gas emissions fell to the lowest level in nearly two decades."

THE FACTS: That plan has nothing to do with reductions in emissions in 2012 because it was not announced until June 2013. Moreover, two of its cornerstone regulations — controls on new and existing coal-fired power plants — are at this point just proposals. The administration isn't expected to complete those rules until next year and some states may not submit plans until after Obama leaves office. The statement also leaves out the fact that in 2013, emissions in the U.S. rose for the first time since 2007. Obama did invest in renewable energy and boost fuel economy before announcing the climate plan. But the plan can't be credited with improving anything before it came into existence.....snip~

FACT CHECK: Obama in UN speech spins statistics

"You can't fool all the people all the time."

MMC · Sep 25, 2014

Jack Hays said:
"You can't fool all the people all the time."

Heya JH. :2wave: Looks like he has been caught up with what he talks about here. So another area wherein he just outright lies.

Meadowlark · Sep 26, 2014

Fearandloathing said:
I never vote party lines. Municipally I have the habit of saying "you all deserve to go, if you want my vote, convince me not to fire you."

When you look at it as a guy applying for a job, it gets a lot easier as politicians try to sell you passion....it's not, it's a job and they have to qualify. Obama IMO never did. He's a community organizer with a gift of gab...period. And in my view voting for him only further endangered the company.

I voted Conservative federally from 1994 to 2012. But that's the last. They have outlived their best before date and it's time for a change. The advantage here is that with a three party system and a parliamentary democracy, the next government will like be a minority, either Conservative or Liberal, which is where we get the best government as whoever they are they have to steal their opponents idea to stay in office. More legislation gets passed and it is much more entertaining.

When you have seen billions virtually burned over ideology, you lose the passion and see the comedy. Politics is not about what is, but what you can make it appear to be. What is entertaining is how they dress up their own bull****

We're on the same page, I vote for the best person for the job and have never voted a straight party ticket. I have often wondered about our system and get frustrated that nothing gets done, the parliamentary system is lovely for the fact the Prime Minister and Cabinet are held accountable. Imagine if BO and company were held accountable, or any other sitting president for that matter, the popcorn industry would explode as the hours of entertainment would be unending.

That's a great way to consider candidates, (people looking for jobs) looking at their 'resume' should give some hints of who they are and what should be vetted further. Appears in BO's case people accepted community organizer and moved on, BO merely saw being a CO as the need for more power, good for him but bad for 'the company', he quit. Anyone who can see a problem but not see the bigger picture surrounding the problem, will always be short sighted which I attribute BO's foreign policy thinking.

Love your last sentence, and it's spectacularly true.

Fearandloathing · Sep 27, 2014

Meadowlark said:
We're on the same page, I vote for the best person for the job and have never voted a straight party ticket. I have often wondered about our system and get frustrated that nothing gets done, the parliamentary system is lovely for the fact the Prime Minister and Cabinet are held accountable. Imagine if BO and company were held accountable, or any other sitting president for that matter, the popcorn industry would explode as the hours of entertainment would be unending.

That's a great way to consider candidates, (people looking for jobs) looking at their 'resume' should give some hints of who they are and what should be vetted further. Appears in BO's case people accepted community organizer and moved on, BO merely saw being a CO as the need for more power, good for him but bad for 'the company', he quit. Anyone who can see a problem but not see the bigger picture surrounding the problem, will always be short sighted which I attribute BO's foreign policy thinking.

Love your last sentence, and it's spectacularly true.

The days of Watergate hearings and bagging Nixon the hell out of there was the closest the US ever got. Having said that, with say, the Attorney General having to sit in Parliament, face the loss of his office AND [as well as pension] is he is caught "misleading the House", how long would Holder have kept his job?

I am not saying there is no corruption nor that sometimes they technically get away with it, the because its exposed, the political price is very high.

Nor am I saying that there are not mistakes and the wrong person chosen, the difference is we shoot bad dogs early in the game

Meadowlark · Sep 29, 2014

Fearandloathing said:
The days of Watergate hearings and bagging Nixon the hell out of there was the closest the US ever got. Having said that, with say, the Attorney General having to sit in Parliament, face the loss of his office AND [as well as pension] is he is caught "misleading the House", how long would Holder have kept his job?

I am not saying there is no corruption nor that sometimes they technically get away with it, the because its exposed, the political price is very high.

Nor am I saying that there are not mistakes and the wrong person chosen, the difference is we shoot bad dogs early in the game

Sure, when a politician has personal skin in the game and a group is holding their feet to the fire, the pressure has many layers. My guess is Holder may have had a shorter term as well as BO when he spin numbers and avoids truths.

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