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Well, goes to show some people never learn anything - Let's Reinvade Iraq!

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Whitt Flora: It's time to put U.S. boots on the ground in Iraq
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Now is the time for Obama to seriously ponder the advice of British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher who steeled President George H.W. Bush’s resolve to roll back Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Shortly after Hussein’s move, Bush reviewed the situation with the Iron Lady, and Thatcher urged swift and resolute action, cautioning him “don’t go wobbly on me now George.”
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Whitt Flora: It's time to put U.S. boots on the ground in Iraq | Deseret News

One would think after nearly a decade in Iraq we'd know that Bush Sr made the right choice. Whitt "I'm a World Class Idiot" Flora doesn't seem to get that.

Some people seemed doomed to repeat History.
 
Redress said:
Who is Whitt Flora and why would I care about his ignorant position?
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You shouldn't aside from the hideous truth that some people haven't learned anything from America's biggest mistake in 30 years.

What is MORE interesting is this article:

Don't send U.S. troops into Iraq - James Jay Carafano - Newsday

"A 25-year Army veteran, James Jay Carafano is vice president of Defense and Foreign Policy Studies for The Heritage Foundation."

A HERITAGE VP wrote an article basically in support of Obama. I fully expected Obama bashing from that guy and not a single word of it. When you have a VP from Heritage writing in support of not going back in, oh man, that's a tipsy topsy world.
 
Since you seem keen to reference history the United States could have left a few bases in Iraq since we conquered it, but we didn't learn from that after WWI and ended up in WWII thanks to it; the American left and libertarian isolationist didn't bother to study that history so some soldiers are likely to pay for their ignorance.


obvious Child said:
Whitt Flora: It's time to put U.S. boots on the ground in Iraq | Deseret News

One would think after nearly a decade in Iraq we'd know that Bush Sr made the right choice. Whitt "I'm a World Class Idiot" Flora doesn't seem to get that.

Some people seemed doomed to repeat History.
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obvious Child said:
Whitt Flora: It's time to put U.S. boots on the ground in Iraq | Deseret News

One would think after nearly a decade in Iraq we'd know that Bush Sr made the right choice. Whitt "I'm a World Class Idiot" Flora doesn't seem to get that.

Some people seemed doomed to repeat History.
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i think bush senior knew what would happen,being that without saddam and his iron fist,the country would descend into anarchy unless a constant military presence remained.


if we go back,its going to be the same issue for years to come,and the only way i could see peace staying would b to reinstall a totalitarian govt,then slowly scale it towards freedom over a long period.people who were never free and always oppressed,then suddenly becoming free,will always become erratic,as they dont know how to handle it.
 
beerftw said:
i think bush senior knew what would happen,being that without saddam and his iron fist,the country would descend into anarchy unless a constant military presence remained.


if we go back,its going to be the same issue for years to come,and the only way i could see peace staying would b to reinstall a totalitarian govt,then slowly scale it towards freedom over a long period.people who were never free and always oppressed,then suddenly becoming free,will always become erratic,as they dont know how to handle it.
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Yeah.

Screw democracy, let's get a puppet in there who will make sure our brand of democracy prevails.

And who gave the United States the power to determine who governs what again? Not to mention the place is a mess BECAUSE of the last boots on the ground, the ones George W. sent in to the roaring approval of 75% of the American public.

You ****ed it up, fired the army, killed people for six or seven years, withdrew arbitrarily and now figure re-invading and killing some more people will somehow undo that horror show.

Can anyone demonstrate to me how this provides world security? I figure another ten million terrorists will be made. Can anyone tell me from where comes the international authority for Amerika to do this? And how, exactly, is ISIS a threat to the United States or its territories?

And, pray, please explain how this new invasion furthers freedom and democracy? Isn't installing a dictator kind of what Amerika is supposed to be against?
 
Fearandloathing said:
Yeah.

Screw democracy, let's get a puppet in there who will make sure our brand of democracy prevails.

And who gave the United States the power to determine who governs what again? Not to mention the place is a mess BECAUSE of the last boots on the ground, the ones George W. sent in to the roaring approval of 75% of the American public.

You ****ed it up, fired the army, killed people for six or seven years, withdrew arbitrarily and now figure re-invading and killing some more people will somehow undo that horror show.

Can anyone demonstrate to me how this provides world security? I figure another ten million terrorists will be made. Can anyone tell me from where comes the international authority for Amerika to do this? And how, exactly, is ISIS a threat to the United States or its territories?

And, pray, please explain how this new invasion furthers freedom and democracy? Isn't installing a dictator kind of what Amerika is supposed to be against?
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im against invading again,my point more or less was that it would be an epic failure again unless some long term strategy prevailed.

the reason it didnt have such problems before was because a totalitarian govt,we knocked that out.with their new freedom,instead of living free of saddams executioners peacefully,they chose to kill eachother over racial and religious differences.

time is the only cure for iraqs problems,and we dont have decades of funds to support boots on ground to do it.their own country should handle,because if they cant,we will have the same issue again as soon as we withdraw.
 
beerftw said:
im against invading again,my point more or less was that it would be an epic failure again unless some long term strategy prevailed.

the reason it didnt have such problems before was because a totalitarian govt,we knocked that out.with their new freedom,instead of living free of saddams executioners peacefully,they chose to kill eachother over racial and religious differences.

time is the only cure for iraqs problems,and we dont have decades of funds to support boots on ground to do it.their own country should handle,because if they cant,we will have the same issue again as soon as we withdraw.
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And why is that cause for Iraq V3.O.

People have been killing each other across Africa for decades, the is the "forgotten" war and the children's war and on and on.

I am sorry, you will have to come up with some serious links to begin to convince me this has any humanitarian aspect whatsoever.

Clean up your streets, when it's safe to walk there, the world might start to think you have something tom offer, but right now,"freedom" ain't it. You have freaking tanks in your streets and rack up homicides faster than you can kill "terrorists".
 
Fearandloathing said:
And why is that cause for Iraq V3.O.

People have been killing each other across Africa for decades, the is the "forgotten" war and the children's war and on and on.

I am sorry, you will have to come up with some serious links to begin to convince me this has any humanitarian aspect whatsoever.

Clean up your streets, when it's safe to walk there, the world might start to think you have something tom offer, but right now,"freedom" ain't it. You have freaking tanks in your streets and rack up homicides faster than you can kill "terrorists".
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im convinced your not reading what i said,i said im against an iraq invasion,for the reason we adress violence with more violence,but have no plan to end it,leading to an endless cycle of wasted american dollars and lives.

from your quotes it almost seems as if you read 3 words and ignored everthing else said,then went on a rant based off a false perception concieved from selective reading.
 
CalGun said:
Since you seem keen to reference history the United States could have left a few bases in Iraq since we conquered it, but we didn't learn from that after WWI and ended up in WWII thanks to it; the American left and libertarian isolationist didn't bother to study that history so some soldiers are likely to pay for their ignorance.
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Oh cute someone who doesn't know what's going on. Do you know why Bush had a zero troop agreement with the Iraqis in 2008? Because his administration and the Iraqi government could not agree on judicial oversight. The Iraqis wanted to subject US military servicemen to it and the Bush administration was having none of it. And know what? Bush was right. As was Obama for refusing to place our servicemen at the wrath of a corrupt system.

Yes we tried to get basing rights and a SOFA, but there was no ZOPA because of that one issue. And do you really think it would be a good idea to agree to place our soldiers at the wrath of their judicial system?

Unless you think Bush was part of the American left and libertarian isolationists, please either educate yourself or shutup.

I'd love to see someone of the right cheer putting our soldiers at risk of being wrongfully imprisoned by a vengeful judicial system hellbent on making examples out of innocent American soldiers.

Know what, I'm being merciful, I'll let you flee from this thread. Leave and I won't bring this up to further destroy your reputation.
 
Since when did you start ignoring the will of a vast majority of American people ?
apdst said:
If we sent troops to Iraq, it wouldn't be an, "invasion".

And, since when is killing terrorists a bad thing? That's history that needs repeatin'.
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As President Eisenhower warned us of in his last and most bitter speech .
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A lot of elected officials do have their lips firmly wrapped M.I.C.'s(military industrial complex) ****.
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CalGun said:
Since you seem keen to reference history the United States could have left a few bases in Iraq since we conquered it, but we didn't learn from that after WWI and ended up in WWII thanks to it; the American left and libertarian isolationist didn't bother to study that history so some soldiers are likely to pay for their ignorance.
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And Rand Paul is playing to the American left and Libertarian isolationist in carving out his niche to the left of HRC.
He's playing the "ignore the rest of the GOP contenders" game which can be highly successful .
 
NIMBY said:
Since when did you start ignoring the will of a vast majority of American people ?
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A vast number of people sympathize with terrorists? Link?
 
No one said that people sympathize with terrorists but you knew that when you typed those words.
apdst said:
A vast number of people sympathize with terrorists? Link?
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Why are you dismissing the will of the American people, both GOPs and Dems, in wanting to put boots back on the ground .
 
apdst said:
A vast number of people sympathize with terrorists? Link?
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Only a tiny minority of Americans are eager to plunge teir country into aother adventure in the killing fields of the ME. They've not learned a thing.
 
jamesrage said:
A lot of elected officials do have their lips firmly wrapped M.I.C.'s(military industrial complex) ****.
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Everyone knows what MIC means. Are you new to the conspiracy theory? Perhaps a review of the Unabomber's manifesto would help bring you up to date.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Only a tiny minority of Americans are eager to plunge teir country into aother adventure in the killing fields of the ME. They've not learned a thing.
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The, "killing fields"? You are aware that US forces maintained and 8:1 kill ratio, right? i.e. 8 terrorists for one good guy.
 
NIMBY said:
No one said that people sympathize with terrorists but you knew that when you typed those words.

Why are you dismissing the will of the American people, both GOPs and Dems, in wanting to put boots back on the ground .
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I never suggested we send troops back to Iraq, neither...but you knew that before you typed those words.
 
Then why did you indirectly accuse me of sympathizing with terrorists?
apdst said:
I never suggested we send troops back to Iraq, neither...but you knew that before you typed those words.
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From what we both see daily, only your GOP gives "Southern Comfort" to Putin, ASSad and now ISIL .
 
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I see your PM finally got his head out of his ass today. :lamo
But he couldn't resist using the word "appease".
Hope that doesn't offend you.

Does this mean the UK is now in the game with Ukraine and Iraq/Syria,
or is Cameron still playing ball with the GOP as BiBi did with Romney ?
Manc Skipper said:
Only a tiny minority of Americans are eager to plunge teir country into aother adventure in the killing fields of the ME. They've not learned a thing.
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NIMBY said:
Then why did you indirectly accuse me of sympathizing with terrorists?


From what we both see daily, only your GOP gives "Southern Comfort" to Putin, ASSad and now ISIL .
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Is that a real post? :lamo
 
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