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Texas to deploy 1000 guardsmen to the Border

pbrauer said:
I think your obsession with President Obama is a "sickness." The law that President Bush signed was good thing and had bipartisan support. President Obama is asking for $3.7 billion supplemental to fix the problem
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My obsession as you call it is against incompetence. why would you believe anything Obama says? You buy the rhetoric and ignore the results. Obama blamed Bush claiming the law tied his hands so how is that a good thing in your world? Oh, wait, just spend another 3.7 trillion dollars and all will be well. Another broken Obama promise.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
This has been done before and really does much of nothing National Guard deployment on U.S.-Mexico border has mixed results - The Washington Post
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Bush sent a bunch more NG troops to the Border....Obama sent 1200, Bush sent 5 or 6 thousand.

the thing is , federalized troops are far more limited in what they can do.... in this particular case, the Texas guard is not being federalized.... they have a broader scope of operational avenues they can take( not sure what kind of latitude will be given, though)
 
PirateMk1 said:
I am of the opinion to wait and see if they actually DO anything. I am of the opinion this is just for show not actually enforcement.
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I wouldn't doubt that they would primarily serve as a deterrent

don't forget, Perry has already mobilized Texas Rangers and DPS officers, among others, to join in on the fun at the border.
Perry is a goofball, but i think he's seriously trying to get something done at the border.....illegal immigration is not very popular in Texas( especially among Hispanics), the people are growing weary of it being addressed inadequately.
 
Thrilla said:
Bush sent a bunch more NG troops to the Border....Obama sent 1200, Bush sent 5 or 6 thousand.

the thing is , federalized troops are far more limited in what they can do.... in this particular case, the Texas guard is not being federalized.... they have a broader scope of operational avenues they can take( not sure what kind of latitude will be given, though)
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When Bush sent those troops to the border over 170,000 illegals were apprehended and prosecuted
 
Conservative said:
Texas Gov. Rick Perry plans to deploy up to 1,000 guardsmen to border | Fox News

Seems that once again the state of Texas is forced to do what the Federal Govt. won't do, provide for the common defense and protect the border
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Yep, shoot the kids.... what a great idea. Nothing better like good 'ol simple(ton) Texas Republican thinking (and some guns) to solve complex problems.

(or, alternatively, nothing worse than a Presidential wannabe in campaign heat. That's alright, similar to self-deportation we have self-elimination...)
 
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upsideguy said:
Yep, shoot the kids.... what a great idea. Nothing better like good 'ol simple(ton) Texas Republican thinking (and some guns) to solve complex problems.

(or, alternatively, nothing worse than a Presidential wannabe in campaign heat. That's alright, similar to self-deportation we have self-elimination...)
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Aw, yes, project much? Show me the national guard shooting kids? Sit pretty in Colorado as the crime and drug trafficking continues on the border. Liberal progressives do live in a dream world far away from the real world.
 
Conservative said:
Couldn't agree more however this isn't what the Texas taxpayers should be funding as it is a national problem and the borders are Federal Responsibility as we have been constantly told.
Texas however is tired of being overrun and being given no federal support.
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Funding has to start somewhere. You could always make a donation.
 
upsideguy said:
Yep, shoot the kids.... what a great idea. Nothing better like good 'ol simple(ton) Texas Republican thinking (and some guns) to solve complex problems.

(or, alternatively, nothing worse than a Presidential wannabe in campaign heat. That's alright, similar to self-deportation we have self-elimination...)
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If our loser president will do nothing, then let the people handle it.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
Presidents don't pass laws, they just sign them. If you'll recall, the 110th Congress had a Democrat majority in the both the House and Senate. Regardless, this bill was unanimously passed in both chambers.Still Bush's fault?
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....and if a president does NOT sign it, it does not become a law. That's called a veto.
 
Good for Texas. If they ever secede, im moving there. Leaders lead by example. However, they may not be able to do much but refer to ICE, who will then let them go.

Texas Adjutant General John Nichols said his troops would simply be "referring and deterring" immigrants and not detaining people -- though Nichols said the National Guard could if asked.

"We think they'll come to us and say, `Please take us to a Border Patrol station," Nichols said.
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CRUE CAB said:
Clearly not enough. Write a check to Rick Perry, care of state of Texas.
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Guess that I didn't realize that protecting the borders was a state responsibility? Shame on me for believing that the Federal Constitution which requires the Federal Govt. to Provide for the common defense simply was a piece of paper not to be taken seriously. Why exactly should I write another check to the state of TX?
 
Conservative said:
Guess that I didn't realize that protecting the borders was a state responsibility? Shame on me for believing that the Federal Constitution which requires the Federal Govt. to Provide for the common defense simply was a piece of paper not to be taken seriously. Why exactly should I write another check to the state of TX?
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Either to pay the NG or feed the new kiddies. Up to you.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Either to pay the NG or feed the new kiddies. Up to you.
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Again, why is it the state responsibility to defend our borders? There are international organizations of which the Federal Taxpayers are part of that feed kids and others. Crossing the border into this country illegally is a violation of the laws of this country. Why should the states pay for the defense of our borders? You seem to lack the basic understanding of what our taxes fund and what is the role of the Federal Govt.
 
Conservative said:
Again, why is it the state responsibility to defend our borders? There are international organizations of which the Federal Taxpayers are part of that feed kids and others. Crossing the border into this country illegally is a violation of the laws of this country. Why should the states pay for the defense of our borders? You seem to lack the basic understanding of what our taxes fund and what is the role of the Federal Govt.
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It's the states responsibility when the Executive Branch of the Federal government fails to uphold the Constitution and United States law. It's therefore incumbent upon the state(s) to protect it's citizens without hope of compensation by the Fed.
 
Conservative said:
Again, why is it the state responsibility to defend our borders? There are international organizations of which the Federal Taxpayers are part of that feed kids and others. Crossing the border into this country illegally is a violation of the laws of this country. Why should the states pay for the defense of our borders? You seem to lack the basic understanding of what our taxes fund and what is the role of the Federal Govt.
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You seem to lack the basic understanding of sarcasm.
 
Ockham said:
It's the states responsibility when the Executive Branch of the Federal government fails to uphold the Constitution and United States law. It's therefore incumbent upon the state(s) to protect it's citizens without hope of compensation by the Fed.
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That is exactly what Perry is doing and then going after reimbursement for the Federal Govt.
 
Conservative said:
Again, why is it the state responsibility to defend our borders? There are international organizations of which the Federal Taxpayers are part of that feed kids and others. Crossing the border into this country illegally is a violation of the laws of this country. Why should the states pay for the defense of our borders? You seem to lack the basic understanding of what our taxes fund and what is the role of the Federal Govt.
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While in principle your argument is sound it does not alleviate the situation. Drastic events merit drastic and 'out of the box' actions. It more important to remedy the problem and argue later in nearly all circumstances.

Other countries failure to solve their internal problems cannot be allowed to become ours. If the Feds, for whatever reason, fail to act, the solution lies with the collective of individual States.

Is it Fed BS ? Of course; but the job must be undertaken by those willing to do so.

The States cannot wait and absorb the financial and social challenges so there is no choice but to act now and argue principle later.

My 2 cents

:peace

Thom Paine
 
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