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Republicans blast Obama over failed Iraq policy....

obvious Child said:
The Saudis have a bad habit of using people who later turn on them and America.

You want to go down that path again?



Qatar is worse than the Saudis. Qatar is funding groups that even the Saudis find reprehensible. Where the hell do you get your information?



Which requires an agreement with the host country. Which we do not have.



Really? What makes you think Maliki would have done any of that? Especially after the SOFA failure.

You realize your arguments are for working with potentially worse people than the ISIS, and on wishful thinking that a government that kicked us out would suddenly welcome us back in with an agreement we want.

Granted, that's better than the idiots who just complain and offer nothing, but your position is fanciful and borderline even more dangerous than the existing problem.
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Mornin OC. :2wave: Well actually it was just generally off the top and not detailed. Not at all.....oh and Maliki signed off with the War On Terror. Meaning Iraq joined the Rest of the World in going after Terrorists. Maliki has been asking for help since last year. BO Just wanted out. Doesn't like dealing with any type of War, Armed Conflict, and or violence. His whole life has been a testimony of being afraid of violence. Which he has learned.....since his Arrival on the Planet. That he can never get rid of it, no matter what he does. The only thing he managed to do.....is to make sure. He wont have to take any ass-whippins for his entire life nor deal with any violence. All due to his Hat. Not his character. Not him having some sort of backbone to stand up as a man. When confronted by other men.

He said the war is over.....but the real truth is. The War was over for the US and that we would not be participating anymore. The War continued on.

As to the Saud and Qatar.....while they can Never be trusted. They can be slapped around with some Real Diplomacy and end up losing all that Military tech they get from us. So pressure can be applied to force them to do the Right thing thing.....whether they want to or not. Not that they could be trusted.....but then knowing they will be watched Observed and Painted out on the World Stage. Then you can see why they would do what they can. Not that it would be any final solution.

Moreover.....I would make it known to the Sunni Arabs. To start making arrangements to remove all Sunni Arabs Out of Iraq. Whether they want to leave or not. Force the Sunni out of Iraq.....and that is whole bunch of less problems for many to deal with ever again. Now the Sunni won't like it. But then My answer would be.....I don't give a **** what you like. Just do it or suffer the consequences of failing to do so. Whatever they may be.
 
MMC said:
Mornin OC. :2wave: Well actually it was just generally off the top and not detailed. Not at all.....oh and Maliki signed off with the War On Terror. Meaning Iraq joined the Rest of the World in going after Terrorists. Maliki has been asking for help since last year. BO Just wanted out. Doesn't like dealing with any type of War, Armed Conflict, and or violence. His whole life has been a testimony of being afraid of violence. Which he has learned.....since his Arrival on the Planet.
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It's easy to be pro-war and pro-violence when you're not actually doing the fighting.
 
Moot said:
The insurgents have put out word they need pilots because don't have anyone that knows how to fly an airplane or helicopter. So until then, taking over the airport isn't doing them much good really.

All the private contractors have been told to evacuate Iraq immediately and who knows how many of them there are.
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Mornin' Moot.
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Yes the Terrorists have put out calls for pilots too. Besides any Sunni Insurgents. Also we have trained many to fly Helicopters and planes.

We also trained them how to deal with insurgency with Counter insurgency methods. Just like on the ground.....and we have been shown. All it takes is one to flip over and shoot us in the back.

Also lets not forget that whoever they pick as a Pilot. Must be willing to commit suicide.
 
Amadeus said:
It's easy to be pro-war and pro-violence when you're not actually doing the fighting.
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Mornin' Amedeus. :2wave: Its easier said from one that Never participated in a War or any Armed Conflicts where the end result is.....Death or worse. Easier said from one who had never killed others. But you would know about that Right? :lol:

Nice try.....but Big time fail. Using philosophy.....won't help you here. Just sayin! :mrgreen:
 
MMC said:
Mornin' Amedeus. :2wave: Its easier said from one that Never participated in a War or any Armed Conflicts where the end result is.....Death or worse. Easier said from one who had never killed others. But you would know about that Right? :lol:
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I can't make heads or tails of this comment.
 
MMC said:
Well, it is his mess now Jerry. There is no dipute to this. Despite Liberals and Progs so called assessments.
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Well, no, it's Iraq's mess, not Obama's. It's their country, let them sort it out.
 
Amadeus said:
I can't make heads or tails of this comment.
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What don't you understand about those English words you read and know the definitions to? Which part confuses your so called and alleged intelligence? That which you want to so aptly display?

Or is it that you don't want to Admit of Never having served in the Military in a War? Or is it due to you not knowing what it is like to kill others and or maim them?

See I think that's what it is.....since you were talking to a Vet that fought in NAM where the Demos caused 56k to die. Which leaves you response to me looking quite foolish.

Did you still want to play like you don't understand now....Amadeus. :lol:
 
Jerry said:
Well, no, it's Iraq's mess, not Obama's. It's their country, let them sort it out.
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Well for any Sunni insurgency you are Right.....then that is their Problem. Now the War against Terrorists.....that's everyones problem.
 
MMC said:
What don't you understand about those English words you read and know the definitions to? Which part confuses your so called and alleged intelligence?
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The part about Obama being a bad president because he doesn't like killing people.

Or is it that you don't want to Admit of Never having served in the Military in a War?
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Why would I care about admitting that?

Or is it due to you not knowing what it is like to kill others and or maim them?
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This is heading into disturbing territory.

 
Amadeus said:
The part about Obama being a bad president because he doesn't like killing people.



Why would I care about admitting that?



This is heading into disturbing territory.

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Well go read his book and the part on Violence. Then Look how he has lived his life. Especially when in Chicago. But I am glad you now ALL of sudden understand the rest to what you said. Here is your response again To a Veteran that served in War. That you identify with those who are responsible for 56k in deaths. While talkin such out of that mouth. Not knowing what you were saying and to whom.

Amadeus said:
It's easy to be pro-war and pro-violence when you're not actually doing the fighting.
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Note your foolishness here. ;)
 
MMC said:
Well go read his book and the part on Violence. Then Look how he has lived his life. Especially when in Chicago. But I am glad you now ALL of sudden understand the rest to what you said. Here is your response again To a Veteran that served in War. That you identify with those who are responsible for 56k in deaths. While talkin such out of that mouth. Not knowing what you were saying and to whom.
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What you did or didn't do has nothing to do with my statement or argument.
 
Hope that place just devolves back to the stone age. And we should let it.
 
Amadeus said:
What you did or didn't do has nothing to do with my statement or argument.
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Sure it does, Reading is fundamental. Which is why you can' say you are blind making such a Statement to a Vet that served in war. Especially when there is a little Icon under my Avatar that you really can't miss. If you are being aware and alive. This would be the same for any other Vets here that served in combat. DO you think that statement is an appropriate one to make to those in Combat or that have served? If you do.....now you have been shown why you shouldn't. Also especially if you.....Never Have!

So now back to your major fail over BO and his failed foreign policy. That which almost all who are anyone over that which would be indepth analysis which deals with BOS policy.....consider it to be a failure.

Just having an opinion to the matter doesn't change the facts. No matter how much you want to deny reality. Nor try to go off on any other tangent.
 
MMC said:
Sure it does, Reading is fundamental. Which is why you can' say you are blind making such a Statement to a Vet that served in war. Especially when there is a little Icon under my Avatar that you really can't miss. If you are being aware and alive. This would be the same for any other Vets here that served in combat. DO you think that statement is an appropriate on to make to those in Combat? If you do.....now you have been show why you shouldn't.
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Yes, reading is fundamental. Perhaps you should try re-reading what I said.

So now back to your major fail over BO and his failed foreign policy. That which almost all who are anyone over that which would be indepth analysis which deals with BOS policy.....consider it to be a failure.
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Maybe because he hasn't killed or maimed people. Which, after all, is the sign of a true leader.
 
Amadeus said:
Yes, reading is fundamental. Perhaps you should try re-reading what I said.



Maybe because he hasn't killed or maimed people. Which, after all, is the sign of a true leader.
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I did.....it only come out one way when you are trying to tell someone its easier to talk about it than actually doing so. Especially one that has done so and would do so at the drop of hat. Also since it was a direct response to me, that had nothing to do with BO. ;)


Nah......it has to do with his own words which they use against him. That BO himself.....used and stated at least 3 times. Over 3 different Theatres of US Operations.

Those words used.....Reset. Of course you must have missed that part when he said it and it was all put up into the News. Which is why you are in here trying to answer the call for him and defend his screw ups.
 
MMC said:
I did.....it only come out one way when you are trying to tell someone its easier to talk about it than actually doing so.
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I stand by my statement.
 
Amadeus said:
I stand by my statement.
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NP.....it didn't mean much of anything in the first place. So Stand Tall and Proud!

Just like you trying to defend BO's Foreign Policy. ;)
 
Amadeus said:
Yes, when I'm faced with a problem, I always think how great things would be if I had access to a time machine.



Maybe we should impeach Obama and repeal Obamacare?
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Thats a typical response of every one of you that is a deep knee bending disciple.
 
VanceMack said:
So...Obama accomplished what then? We both agree...the end of military actions and the troop withdrawals were orchestrated by Bush before he left office. Yet Biden claims Iraq stands as his greatest foreign policy success. Obama's claim to fame is that he has done...nothing.
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Biden said it once. Cool.
What was the Obama admin supposed to do? I thought the whole thing was turn it over to the Iraqis to let them run their own country without our interference? Wasnt that the whole purpose of US troop withdrawal?
 
MMC said:
NP.....it didn't mean much of anything in the first place. So Stand Tall and Proud!
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It you didn't understand my comment, why did you go into Vet Rage? It wasn't even directed at you.
 
Amadeus said:
It you didn't understand my comment, why did you go into Vet Rage? It wasn't even directed at you.
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Well you were the one that left it open ended. So that's your weight. Not that I didn't understand. Try using that philosophy on those open ended statements you like to run with.

Oh and enraged :roll: .....now that is funny. :lamo
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Biden said it once. Cool.
What was the Obama admin supposed to do? I thought the whole thing was turn it over to the Iraqis to let them run their own country without our interference? Wasnt that the whole purpose of US troop withdrawal?
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Did you read the post?

Obama has claimed victory in Iraq. Biden claims it is his greatest foreign policy gain. Carney spent all day yesterday explaining why YES...it was a great win. He ended the war and fighting in Iraq. Well...not the war and fighting...no..that is still ongoing but WE arent as involved and THAT is what he did that was so great. Well...sure...Bush negotiated the withdrawal but Obama ended the 'war'. Which war...the one with Ira (which ended in 2003) or the war against terrorism and Al Qaida (which is still going on)? And yes...yes Obama himself has completely dismantled AlQaida and has them on the run. Ture...not in Iraq. Yes...not in Pakistan. But in Afghanistan, the place where Bush drove out both the Taliban and AlQaida? Sure. Kinda. A bit. A bit.

So again...other than follow the policies put in place (the same policies Obama campaigned against) what exactly has he done?

No...I agree with you. He probably cant TODAY...right now...do much of anything. The problem isnt that he has done nothing today. The problem is his complete lack of leadership over the last 6 years. Everyone in the world sees it except those that never will.
 
VanceMack said:
Did you read the post?
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Yes and I touched on each of those points.

So again...other than follow the policies put in place (the same policies Obama campaigned against) what exactly has he done?
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What is he supposed to do? We followed through on our treaty obligations.
No...I agree with you. He probably cant TODAY...right now...do much of anything. The problem isnt that he has done nothing today. The problem is his complete lack of leadership over the last 6 years. Everyone in the world sees it except those that never will.
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What was he supposed to do?!?! We followed through with treaty obligations.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Yes and I touched on each of those points.


What is he supposed to do? We followed through on our treaty obligations.

What was he supposed to do?!?! We followed through with treaty obligations.
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Oh there are LOTS of things they could have done. Deliver intel, work more closely with their government, continue surveilance of terror groups as they do in Afghanistan and Pakistan, drone strikes to disrupt their force support and equipment, etc. Of course...all of things require being positively engaged with your allies. Obama has demonstrated to the ME he is weak and cant be trusted. Anyone that knows ANYTHUING about that region knows what that spells.

But at least you are being honest about Obamas role. His greatest foreign policy success was in doing...nothing. His claim of ending the war...all bull****. And everyone else knows it as well. The world see's him for what he is. Nothing.
 
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