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When Has Social Conservatism Been On The Right Side Of History?

Thanks for correcting that

" "If you don't want your tax dollars to help the poor, then STOP saying that you want a country based on Christian Values, because you don't..!"
John Fugelsang

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151542306916051&id=180058246050

A DAMN GOOD LIBERAL

Right Christ wouldn't want the poor to be fed by forcing people to pay taxes *shaking head*

Carter is bad huh? lol CHURCH? Better blow that pic up a little there

Pro-gun grandson follows in Jimmy Carter's footsteps, sort of | Reuters


BET THAT POPE GUY GOES TO THE BOTTOM OF YOUR LIST TOO RIGHT? lol


"The Jason Carter campaign will host a weekend in June in his grandfather's hometown of Plains, where donors can spend time with Jimmy Carter and his wife, Rosalynn, for $20,000 a couple."



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith

Is it not correct God could feed all the poor? He doesn't need the government to do so.

The Bible teaches for people to give of their own free will to the poor. It's all about the heart. The more liberals want to take from other people, the more of their own they should give away.

While I have nothing against a small local safety net, anti-poverty programs have proven to be an expensive failure in their own mission. Often counterproductive.

That picture should be big enough for you to read. If not, here is an article about Carter: Jimmy Carter Invites the Money Changers Back to the Temple | RedState

I'll counter Gailbraith with a quote in my signature:

"I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." -Thomas Sowell
 
Jimmy Carter Didn’t Say it But Many Liberals Think It




" First, all governments take and use people’s money for purposes everyone doesn’t necessarily support. Programs that help the disadvantaged are no more or less a product of compulsion than what we find when the government uses far more tax dollars to buy weapons systems, fund shadowy intelligence agencies and provide aid to unjust but strategically useful foreign governments. For Christians to suggest Jesus wouldn’t want taxes used to help those who are weak, sick and poor, while not more strenuously objecting to being compelled to pay for these other items, shows, I believe, a serious lack of Christ-shaped priorities."

Where did this quote come from? A quick Google search indicates it originates here.
 
Got it so you can't think of ONE policy CONservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history either!

You're making the mistake of believing that everything good is Liberal and everything bad is Conservative. That's apparent by your clear lack of understanding of Classic Liberalism.
 
You're making the mistake of believing that everything good is Liberal and everything bad is Conservative. That's apparent by your clear lack of understanding of Classic Liberalism.

That's funny from a guy who seems to believe everything bad is caused by liberals and all the good belongs to conservatives.
 
You're making the mistake of believing that everything good is Liberal and everything bad is Conservative. That's apparent by your clear lack of understanding of Classic Liberalism.

"Classic liberalism", Yes, we call that CONservative policy today.

Bet you buy into that the US was founded on that too right? lol

AGAIN, thanks for pointing out CONservative/Libertarian policy NEVER works!
 
That's funny from a guy who seems to believe everything bad is caused by liberals and all the good belongs to conservatives.

I've never said EVERYTHING bad has been caused by Liberals.

What I DO believe, is that every single bad government policy, came from the government.
 
Where did this quote come from? A quick Google search indicates it originates here.

Note the parentheses?

Today's GOP is the inevitable consequence of their 35 years embracing anti-intellectualism as patriotic and willful ignorance as a virtue.
 
I've never said EVERYTHING bad has been caused by Liberals.




What I DO believe, is that every single bad government policy, came from the government.


Yep, and 90%+ from CONservatives within the Gov't...
 
Throughout history, it was social conservatives who opposed free speech, racial integration, women's vote, child labor laws, alcohol, etc.

Now this is interesting. Because the campaigns against free speech, racial integration, and alcohol were led by Progressives.
 
Is it not correct God could feed all the poor? He doesn't need the government to do so.

The Bible teaches for people to give of their own free will to the poor. It's all about the heart. The more liberals want to take from other people, the more of their own they should give away.

While I have nothing against a small local safety net, anti-poverty programs have proven to be an expensive failure in their own mission. Often counterproductive.

That picture should be big enough for you to read. If not, here is an article about Carter: Jimmy Carter Invites the Money Changers Back to the Temple | RedState

I'll counter Gailbraith with a quote in my signature:

"I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." -Thomas Sowell


Redstate, how'd I know

NO, WHAT THE MONEY BUYS IS 2 DAYS WITH THE CARTERS, IN PLAINES, WHERE THEY WILL ALSO ATTEND SERVICES. Horrible, I know

"Is it not correct God could feed all the poor"

HE/SHE DOES A HORRIBLE JOB RIGHT?

The right wing arguments against the War on Poverty always boil down to: See, these programs that we have underfunded or cut back or otherwise hobbled don't work now that we have broken them. So give more money to rich people!


Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."



Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html

Thomas Paine and Ben Franklin: You Didn't Build That

"All the Property that is necessary to a man, for the conservation of the individual and the propagation of the species, is his natural right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all property superfluous to such purposes is the property of the publick, who, by their laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the welfare of the publick shall demand such disposition. He that does not like civil society on these terms, let him retire and live among savages." BEN

Thomas Paine and Ben Franklin: You Didn't Build That - US News
 
"Classic liberalism", Yes, we call that CONservative policy today.

Bet you buy into that the US was founded on that too right? lol

AGAIN, thanks for pointing out CONservative/Libertarian policy NEVER works!

You prove my point by illustrating that you have no clue that The Founders were Classic Liberals.
 
Like the Fairness Doctrine?

The one Reagan ignored and the GOP is gotten rid of? MUCH better to actually go to court, as Faux did, and claim it's your first amend right to lie right?

It was HORRIBLE to have balance on PUBLIC airwaves right? Instead we get right wing funded hate talk radio, right wing 'think tanks' that push propaganda!
 
You prove my point by illustrating that you have no clue that The Founders were Classic Liberals.

Sure, YOU keep believing that


(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics

When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.

Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders


Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)

government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)

a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation

American School of Economics

American School (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is a capitalist economic school based on the Hamiltonian economic program. The American School of capitalism was intended to allow the United States to become economically independent and nationally self-sufficient
 
Now this is interesting. Because the campaigns against free speech, racial integration, and alcohol were led by Progressives.


SURE they were (alc excepted, BOTH sides) , AND CONservatives fought for those things right *shaking head*
 
Sure, YOU keep believing that


(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics

When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.

Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders


Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)

government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)

a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation

American School of Economics

American School (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is a capitalist economic school based on the Hamiltonian economic program. The American School of capitalism was intended to allow the United States to become economically independent and nationally self-sufficient

Oh, so the Libbos gave us Capitalism? :lamo
 
SURE they were (alc excepted, BOTH sides)

Yes, they were. It is a fond myth of many on the left that there are two kinds of crime in American history: those committed by "conservatives" and those committed by "America", which is who they blame when their own intellectual ancestors were actually at fault. Feel free to read up on the Progressives if you like, bunch of eugenicists who thought that individual liberty was destructive and detrimental to the greater good, and who also were at the forefront of the Prohibition movement.

, AND CONservatives fought for those things right *shaking head*

Well, for example, Woodrow Wilson re-segregated the military after Republicans had desegregated it, and Barry Goldwater re-de-segregated the Arizona national guard before the nation followed his excellent example.
 
SURE they were (alc excepted, BOTH sides) , AND CONservatives fought for those things right *shaking head*

Margaret Sanger was a Liberal. She created The Negro Project. Jim Jones was a Liberal, too.
 
Oh, so the Libbos gave us Capitalism? :lamo


So you CAN'T critically think?

THEY SURE DIDN'T AGREE WITH THE 'FREE MARKETS' CRAP RIGHT WINGERS SELL TO US!
 
Margaret Sanger was a Liberal. She created The Negro Project. Jim Jones was a Liberal, too.

Gaaawd seriously? That's the best you have? lol
 
Yes, they were. It is a fond myth of many on the left that there are two kinds of crime in American history: those committed by "conservatives" and those committed by "America", which is who they blame when their own intellectual ancestors were actually at fault. Feel free to read up on the Progressives if you like, bunch of eugenicists who thought that individual liberty was destructive and detrimental to the greater good, and who also were at the forefront of the Prohibition movement.



Well, for example, Woodrow Wilson re-segregated the military after Republicans had desegregated it, and Barry Goldwater re-de-segregated the Arizona national guard before the nation followed his excellent example.

Yes, let's conflate GOP for CONservatives and argue from there *shaking head*


Weird, Wilson could be both progressive AND racist right? Must mean ALL Dems were right? Especially if they were 'Liberal or Progressive' right?

I mean it's those guys from the Southern states who taught US about judging a man by his character, not his race right? THEY didn't REALLY want to own slaves right? They don't want to have the CONfederate flags hanging today right?
 
So you CAN'T critically think?

THEY SURE DIDN'T AGREE WITH THE 'FREE MARKETS' CRAP RIGHT WINGERS SELL TO US!

You said earlier that The Founders were Liberals.
 
Yes, let's conflate GOP for CONservatives and argue from there *shaking head*


Weird, Wilson could be both progressive AND racist right? Must mean ALL Dems were right? Especially if they were 'Liberal or Progressive' right?

I mean it's those guys from the Southern states who taught US about judging a man by his character, not his race right? THEY didn't REALLY want to own slaves right? They don't want to have the CONfederate flags hanging today right?

Most Southerners didn't own slaves. 5 Myths about why the South seceded
 
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