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The 'Wary of Hillary' Democrats

Navy Pride said:
Don't believe I said that but if I did maybe I was wishing that......You see how ****ed the country is with your guy.
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LOL......NP....you were so snowed over by FauxNews and your right-wing pundits...you were on this site telling people its wasn't even going to be close ....Romney was going to win in a landslide....
 
Navy Pride said:
Hillary has screwed up so many times and the GOP has so many good candidates in2016...The woman is not fit to be Commander in Chief. I agree though she will probably get the nomination.....They have no one else.
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I do agree that the GOP has a few promising candidates.....however there is still the fear that the GOP hierchey (Rove), will steer the nomination to another old geriatric "it's my turn" candidate....similar to McCain and Romney. if they do...all bets are off.
 
Perotista said:
I'm not Bubba, but I think what you describe is shown in the huge increase in the independent voters ranks. More and more people feel exactly how your workers feel. In the last 10 years independents has risen from 30% of the electorate to 45%. Most Americans fall into the middle of the left/right spectrum. The two major parties have moves so far to the left and to the right, that they just do not represent your average American anymore.
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Sorry........but I have to correct you on that last sentence. The GOP has not moved to the right. It is still dashing to the center, hoping that if they act like democrats the media and the moderates will like them. The only thing that is holding them back from the brink is the Tea Party movement. And the Tea Party is not a far right movement, it is merely a movement aimed at the nation getting it's financial house in order. The republicans do keep renewing a conservative platform at every nominating convention, however they have not been sticking to it.
 
ObamacareFail said:
While I agree that the wench will be the odds on favorite to win the dem nomination....I do not put much stock in opinion polls against likely candidates at this point over two years prior to the election. At this point such polls mean little more then name recognition. I doubt that two year prior to the 2008 race Obama was outpolling Hillary.
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Yeah, polls are a useful tool, a tool is all they are and it is way too far out to really take all this stuff seriously. But it they do let you know where things stand today, but not necessarily in the future.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Sorry........but I have to correct you on that last sentence. The GOP has not moved to the right. It is still dashing to the center, hoping that if they act like democrats the media and the moderates will like them. The only thing that is holding them back from the brink is the Tea Party movement. And the Tea Party is not a far right movement, it is merely a movement aimed at the nation getting it's financial house in order. The republicans do keep renewing a conservative platform at every nominating convention, however they have not been sticking to it.
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When it comes to fiscal issues, the economy, jobs the Republicans seems to be on the side of most Americans. But when it comes to social issues the Republicans lose a lot of people who would have voted for their candidates, look back to 2012 with Aiken and Mourdock. Most Americans still trust the Republicans more on foreign policy. So in a lot of ways the winner of an election at times is decided on which issues are hot and which issues voters care most about at the time of the election.

I do not think anyone wants the Republicans to be the same as the Democrats. But there are issues that both sides should agree on and there are some they need to disagree.
 
polgara said:
Good morning, bubba. :2wave:

I honestly think that the majority of the people in this country have just tuned out to what is happening. We may be unusual because we do follow what is happening. I had workers at my house yesterday that just shrugged when they were discussing what's going on. One guy told the others "look, I don't know what the Hell they're doing in Washington, or why. All I know is that I get up every morning and go to work, and they don't care what I think, and I have no say in what they do." Then the rest agreed, and started discussing sports. Bubba, it's scary to think they may have found the best way to keep their blood pressure normal - just ignore what's going on, since they can't do much about it. Is that what we did before, and that's why things are the way they are today? :eek:
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But do they vote?
 
bubbabgone said:
But do they vote?
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I didn't ask, so I don't know - but I doubt it. I was just listening in, but I got the impression that they don't think it matters much how they feel about things, since they've seen fewer and fewer good jobs available for them. They did comment that Bill Clinton handled economic and foreign affairs better than Obama is doing, so they seemed to lean Democratic in their thinking. Will they vote this November? Probably not, and I'm not sure about 2016 - I guess it depends upon what happens in the next few years.
 
polgara said:
I didn't ask, so I don't know - but I doubt it. I was just listening in, but I got the impression that they don't think it matters much how they feel about things, since they've seen fewer and fewer good jobs available for them.
They did comment that Bill Clinton handled economic and foreign affairs better than Obama
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is doing, so they seemed to lean Democratic in their thinking. Will they vote this November? Probably not, and I'm not sure about 2016 - I guess it depends upon what happens in the next few years.
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You speak Spanish?
 
bubbabgone said:
You speak Spanish?
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No, but when you're dealing with beer-drinking "redneck" hillbillies who know what they're doing, it doesn't matter. I do speak Russian, but that could have probably scared them into shooting me! They consider themselves Patriots! :lamo:
 
Perotista said:
When it comes to fiscal issues, the economy, jobs the Republicans seems to be on the side of most Americans. But when it comes to social issues the Republicans lose a lot of people who would have voted for their candidates, look back to 2012 with Aiken and Mourdock. Most Americans still trust the Republicans more on foreign policy. So in a lot of ways the winner of an election at times is decided on which issues are hot and which issues voters care most about at the time of the election.

I do not think anyone wants the Republicans to be the same as the Democrats. But there are issues that both sides should agree on and there are some they need to disagree.
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The republican leadership is certainly not in tune with mainstream conservatives. If they were, they would not give in so easily on fiscal issues.
 
ObamacareFail said:
The republican leadership is certainly not in tune with mainstream conservatives. If they were, they would not give in so easily on fiscal issues.
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I think it depends on what battlefield and how the battle is framed.
 
ObamacareFail said:
The republican leadership is certainly not in tune with mainstream conservatives. If they were, they would not give in so easily on fiscal issues.
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Mainstream and conservative are a contradiction.
 
disneydude said:
If Hilary wants the Presidency.....its hers.
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If that were the case, she would have been elected in 2008. Hillary is a carpetbagging wench who owes her entire political life to being Slick Willy's bride.
 
ObamacareFail said:
If that were the case, she would have been elected in 2008. Hillary is a carpetbagging wench who owes her entire political life to being Slick Willy's bride.
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She would have....except for Obama. Hilary would have beaten any of the poor Republican choices. The same scenario is rising for 2016....except this time, Obama isn't in the picture. The nomination and Presidency are Hilary's if she wants it. There isn't one Republican in the current field that would even mount a serious challenge. Sorry...that's just the facts.
 
Its going to be Hilary and Julian Castro. Which....doesn't speak well for the Republicans gaining the whitehouse anytime in the next 12-16 years.
 
disneydude said:
She would have....except for Obama. Hilary would have beaten any of the poor Republican choices.
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I don't see you as an objective judge of viable candidates in the republican part. The truth is that if Hillary had been nominated in 2008, the democrats would have had the same problem that the republicans had. an old face and no charisma. I suspect that it would have been a repeat of the 2000 race.

The same scenario is rising for 2016....except this time, Obama isn't in the picture. The nomination and Presidency are Hilary's if she wants it. There isn't one Republican in the current field that would even mount a serious challenge. Sorry...that's just the facts.
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That's silly...you don't even know the current field in the democrat party much less the republican party. It will not be hard for the republicans to do better then Hillary. The conservative base will come out of the woodwork just to vote against Hillary.
 
If Republicans can do better than Hillary, why was the last line-up of GOP candidates so embarrassing? Obama is hated by the GOP more than Hillary.
 
Amadeus said:
If Republicans can do better than Hillary, why was the last line-up of GOP candidates so embarrassing? Obama is hated by the GOP more than Hillary.
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Actually they did do better then Hillary.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Actually they did do better then Hillary.
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Which candidate, specifically, was better than Hillary? The contenders after Romney were Bachmann, Cain, and Gingrich.
 
Amadeus said:
Which candidate, specifically, was better than Hillary? The contenders after Romney were Bachmann, Cain, and Gingrich.
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My dog would be better then Hillary
 
ObamacareFail said:
I don't see you as an objective judge of viable candidates in the republican part. The truth is that if Hillary had been nominated in 2008, the democrats would have had the same problem that the republicans had. an old face and no charisma. I suspect that it would have been a repeat of the 2000 race.



That's silly...you don't even know the current field in the democrat party much less the republican party. It will not be hard for the republicans to do better then Hillary. The conservative base will come out of the woodwork just to vote against Hillary.
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The conservative base isn't large enough to win the election. That has been the problem with the latest Republican efforts. The candidates have to skew so far to the right to appease the base that they alienate the moderates/independents that usually determines who wins. The current lot of poor candidates that the GOP has is making this same mistake. Do you really think that Ted Cruz or Rubio stands a chance in hell? Jeb Bush? Sorry but GWB kinda F'd up any chance Jeb had. The only one with any shot at all is Christie and I'm not sure that the "base" is willing to give him the nomination....and CHristie is tenacious enough that he probably won't sell out his integrity like Romney and McCain to appease the rabid crowd.

You are fooling yourself....if you actually believe what you claim.
 
Amadeus said:
Which candidate, specifically, was better than Hillary? The contenders after Romney were Bachmann, Cain, and Gingrich.
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"After Romney"?

Do you know what Republicans tossed their hats in the race for Republican nominee in 2012?
 
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