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Palin mocked in 2008 for warning putin may invade ukraine if obama elected[W:213]

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Deuce said:
I note that neither of you can actually name any specific policy difference that would affect the outcome of this situation. You really do think this is about some "appearances" bull****.
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What I note is your inability to be honest about the lack of credibility and weakness of this President as well as a lack of acknowledgement. Another hypocrisy and more demagoguery partisan defense. Obama's weakness is obvious to most with exception of paid partisan defense groups and Putin is taking advantage. Of course a county's leadership affects their foreign policy as does their credibility on the world stage. To think otherwise is hopelessly naive at best.
 
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Ockham said:
What I note is your inability to be honest about the lack of credibility and weakness of this President as well as a lack of acknowledgement. Another hypocrisy and more demagoguery partisan defense. Obama's weakness is obvious to most with exception of paid partisan defense groups and Putin is taking advantage. Of course a county's leadership affects their foreign policy as does their credibility on the world stage. To think otherwise is hopelessly naive at best.
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What change would you make that would alter the situation? Because if no particular policy or set of policies or changes in behavior would alter the situation, it doesn't matter who got elected.
 
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And if Palin/McCain were elected things would be a lot better right? And we'd be fighting wars on three fronts, that'd be ****ing awesome. The stuff that has been brewing in Ukraine has been a long time coming and has more to do with what is happening in those countries than what is happening here. To suggest that Obama is a causal factor is plain idiotic. Only possible way any President can affect what happens is if he is a firebreathing warhawk who threatens military action at every turn.
 
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See the problem with what Palin said, is if it really had to do with Obama, Russia probably would have felt okay with invading Ukraine before 2014 and you know the political unrest that is in the Ukraine now. What is happening in the Ukraine is not because of Obama and Russia's response isn't necessarily because of Obama. Russia's response is because that is what Russia does.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
And if Palin/McCain were elected things would be a lot better right? And we'd be fighting wars on three fronts, that'd be ****ing awesome. The stuff that has been brewing in Ukraine has been a long time coming and has more to do with what is happening in those countries than what is happening here. To suggest that Obama is a causal factor is plain idiotic. Only possible way any President can affect what happens is if he is a firebreathing warhawk who threatens military action at every turn.
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No one can say if things would be better or worse, nor could you speculate about wars on three fronts but I see you did. No one is saying Obama is a causal factor - his weakness however emboldens Putin. That said, there is no situation in which the US should get involved - Obama is not equipped to negotiate with Putin. He should continue to do what he is doing, making 3 minute comments with no questions and helping Democrats fund raise for mid term elections.
 
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shrubnose said:
If Mitt Romney was in the White House what do you think that he would be doing right now?
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In the days of yore, I had a reluctancy to vote for Reagan until he picked GHWB as a running mate. It showed me he would seek experience qualified individuals for consult; for the most part he did just that. While not knowing it as fact, one might want to believe Romney would have done the same.

Have a great day shrub

Thom Paine
 
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Jetboogieman said:
But note they'd never say Russia invaded Georgia because Bush was weak.
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I actually said it was a possibility.
 
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X Factor said:
I actually said it was a possibility.
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I also stated it was arguable in post #17 given how Bush was viewed outside of the U.S.
 
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Ockham said:
What I note is your inability to be honest about the lack of credibility and weakness of this President as well as a lack of acknowledgement. Another hypocrisy and more demagoguery partisan defense. Obama's weakness is obvious to most with exception of paid partisan defense groups and Putin is taking advantage. Of course a county's leadership affects their foreign policy as does their credibility on the world stage. To think otherwise is hopelessly naive at best.
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Appearance is backed up action. So please, enlighten us with the necessary actions that would make obama look suitably strong enough in Putin's eyes that he would never invade Ukraine.

I see how you've continued to sidestep identical versions of this question, so let's try a different one: Our president isn't Obama (wait, don't celebrate yet), but Biff McDo-right, a square jawed conservative who does everything right and has approval of 98% of American voters. Biff MdDo-right kicks ass. So, with that stage set, what does President McDo-right do so that Putin isn't emboldened to invade Ukraine?
 
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X Factor said:
I actually said it was a possibility.
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Good for you.

Even that is bull****.

It's like saying Saddam invaded Kuwait because he though Bush Senior was weak.

These things are done for alot more reasons than who the US president is.

To say otherwise ignores the complexity of Geo-politics and makes people look like ignorant foolish hacks.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Good for you.

Even that is bull****.

It's like saying Saddam invaded Kuwait because he though Bush Senior was weak.

These things are done for alot more reasons than who the US president is.

To say otherwise ignores the complexity of Geo-politics and makes people look like ignorant foolish hacks.
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I don't think it should be ignored though that when making those decisions they likely weigh in what kind of resistance they may face. If Putin knew that if he tried to invade Ukraine that a stronger US force would step in to defeat and stop him he may be dissuaded from making that decision.

We can't make claims either way, but given Obama and his politics I'd say Putin probably doesn't see Obama as much of a threat to his plans on invading another country and imposing a Russian friendly government in another nation using military force.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Good for you.

Even that is bull****.

It's like saying Saddam invaded Kuwait because he though Bush Senior was weak.

These things are done for alot more reasons than who the US president is.

To say otherwise ignores the complexity of Geo-politics and makes people look like ignorant foolish hacks.
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What I find incredibly funny is people who claimed that Bush was to blame for everything, including 9/11 (if for no other reason than that he made people dislike us :roll:) but then claim that Obama has zero impact on what occurs globally.
 
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digsbe said:
I don't think it should be ignored though that when making those decisions they likely weigh in what kind of resistance they may face.
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What resistance would you offer?

If Putin knew that if he tried to invade Ukraine that a stronger US force would step in to defeat and stop him he may be dissuaded from making that decision
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Digsbe.

I'm seriously disappointed in you.

Russian and American forces have never directly engaged eachother ever and if they ever did what do you think would happen?

but given Obama and his politics I'd say Putin probably doesn't see Obama as much of a threat to his plans on invading another country and imposing a Russian friendly government in another nation using military force.
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What would you do to stop Russia Digsbe?

Without triggering a nuclear war what would you do?
 
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digsbe said:
I don't think it should be ignored though that when making those decisions they likely weigh in what kind of resistance they may face. If Putin knew that if he tried to invade Ukraine that a stronger US force would step in to defeat and stop him he may be dissuaded from making that decision.

We can't make claims either way, but given Obama and his politics I'd say Putin probably doesn't see Obama as much of a threat to his plans on invading another country and imposing a Russian friendly government in another nation using military force.
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Naw, Digs, it's only Republican presidents that impact global events (and then only if they're bad). :lol:
 
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Cardinal said:
Appearance is backed up action. So please, enlighten us with the necessary actions that would make obama look suitably strong enough in Putin's eyes that he would never invade Ukraine.

I see how you've continued to sidestep identical versions of this question, so let's try a different one: Our president isn't Obama (wait, don't celebrate yet), but Biff McDo-right, a square jawed conservative who does everything right and has approval of 98% of American voters. Biff MdDo-right kicks ass. So, with that stage set, what does President McDo-right do so that Putin isn't emboldened to invade Ukraine?
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Isn't it obvious? He simply states in his harsh big voice, "Don't make me angry....you wouldn't like me when I'm angry". Then he would commit several hundred thousand peoples children to warfare, shortly after nuking Moscow into ash.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Burning $100 bills to stay warm in the oval.
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It's ****ing COLD
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I'm going to guess that he's mighty glad that he's not living in Washington, D.C. right now.
 
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X Factor said:
What I find incredibly funny is people who claimed that Bush was to blame for everything, including 9/11 (if for no other reason than that he made people dislike us :roll:) but then claim that Obama has zero impact on what occurs globally.
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And those people were nuts.

You really wanna be in the same crowd?
 
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Thom Paine said:
In the days of yore, I had a reluctancy to vote for Reagan until he picked GHWB as a running mate. It showed me he would seek experience qualified individuals for consult; for the most part he did just that. While not knowing it as fact, one might want to believe Romney would have done the same.

Have a great day shrub
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Thom Paine
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And you do the same.

I predict that the kerfuffle in the Ukraine will get sorted out without WWIII.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
What resistance would you offer?
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A military presence that would solely exist to keep others from interfering in the Ukrainian situation. If not that, very very harsh sanctions against Russia if they decide to invade Ukraine to force an outcome that favors them.
Digsbe.

I'm seriously disappointed in you.

Russian and American forces have never directly engaged eachother ever and if they ever did what do you think would happen?
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I think if they ever did you would find other nations joining in that also have issues with Russia. Iran and Russia may band together but overall I think they would lose and taking them out would benefit the world as a whole. If Russia is going to be an imperialist power that invades their ex-soviet neighbors and users their military to keep them semi-dependent and trapped upon Russia then they need to be stopped.
What would you do to stop Russia Digsbe?

Without triggering a nuclear war what would you do?
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First I would rally the world to impose harsh sanctions on Russia, if that doesn't deter or stop them I would send in military troops around Russia and in nations on Russia's radar (like Ukraine) to be invaded by Russia in a take-over type fashion. If Russia engages, then war would break out. Just because both nations have nuclear weapons does not mean that they would be used, but then again this would be one of those nice times where that nuclear shield protecting Western Europe from Russia would have been nice. I wouldn't support firing the first nuke, but in the event that one was fired by Russia then we need to have a shield in place to stop that and then retaliate hard with the goal being to totally obliterate their government.
 
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tecoyah said:
Isn't it obvious? He simply states in his harsh big voice, "Don't make me angry....you wouldn't like me when I'm angry". Then he would commit several hundred thousand peoples children to warfare, shortly after nuking Moscow into ash.
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Really? So far as I've managed to gather, his solution would be "be strong."
 
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digsbe said:
A military presence that would solely exist to keep others from interfering in the Ukrainian situation. If not that, very very harsh sanctions against Russia if they decide to invade Ukraine to force an outcome that favors them.
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Your understanding of geo-politics is very basic and based on a lack of understanding how the game of dominos work.

Placing US troops in a border country of Russia is extremely provocative.

The US would not allow Russian troops based in Mexico or Cuba, why would Russia allow it in Ukraine?


Just because both nations have nuclear weapons does not mean that they would be used,
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If Russia ever entered a conventional war the US is most certain to win but not before the casulties become unbereable and what do you think a losing side would do when faced with defeat, they would use nukes.

but then again this would be one of those nice times where that nuclear shield protecting Western Europe from Russia would have been nice.
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Any of the US missile shields will never defend against the amount of warheads the Russians have.

You do not appear to have the knowledge necessary to participate in this debate.

I know you don't like Obama but your arguments against him often result of emotionality rather than what's actually happening.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Your understanding of geo-politics is very basic and based on a lack of understanding how the game of dominos work.

Placing US troops in a border country of Russia is extremely provocative.

The US would not allow Russian troops based in Mexico or Cuba, why would Russia allow it in Ukraine?




If Russia ever entered a conventional war the US is most certain to win but not before the casulties become unbereable and what do you think a losing side would do when faced with defeat, they would use nukes.



Any of the US missile shields will never defend against the amount of warheads the Russians have.

You do not appear to have the knowledge necessary to participate in this debate.

I know you don't like Obama but your arguments against him often result of emotionality rather than what's actually happening.
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Your lectures just drive me up the wall sometimes, especially since they're often quite one sided. You asked him a direct question, he answered without flames. Why the need to flame him just because you disagree with him?
 
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X Factor said:
Your lectures just drive me up the wall sometimes, especially since they're often quite one sided. You asked him a direct question, he answered without flames. Why the need to flame him just because you disagree with him?
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Oh are we a poor victim again X-Factor?

It's more out of frustration.

Digsbe is a very smart guy, far smarter than me.

but I have a sincere belief he is not capable of discussing anything Obama in a rational way.

I did not flame him, I asserted he did not have the proper contextual knowledge to participate in the debate, just like I wouldn't try to participate in a discussion with him about pharmaceuticals.
 
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I hope this is seen as a great feather in her cap come election season. I hope that Mrs Palin can parlay this great Foreign policy asessment into a positive run for President in 2016.

This has the earmarkings of one of the greatest political comebacks ever. Kudos Mrs. P.
 
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Re the Russia/Georgia five-day war, that was very different from the Ukraine situation. That was more of a civil war with Georgia the aggressor. Russia warned that if Georgia attacked, Russia would defend Russians in South Ossetia. And when George did, Russia did. And that was in August 2008 when President Bush had only five months left in office and President Bush's administration did help negotiate a peace accord that six years later, Russia has not fully lived up to. In the Ukraine it does appear to be Russians or Russian sympathizers who are the aggressors.

We'll see what 'costs' Obama is willing to apply in the Ukraine skirmish if that gets out of hand. Frankly, its too early to say whether Obama will respond appropriately, and we can't say that Putin would mess with Ukraine because he sees Obama as weak, which I'm pretty sure he does. Would we still be seeing this scenario if Bush 43 was still in office? Who knows?
 
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