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Why do conservatives want to make it harder to vote?

James D Hill said:
The fact is the less people show up to vote the better for the GOP. I think that alone is the reason and some honest conservatives have even admitted it.
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That is the obvious conclusion. How does stopping the vote on Sundays stop voter fraud? Sundays before elections are traditionaly a time when African-American church goers would go to vote. Not to generalize here but I don't think the GOP is getting a strong majority of those votes. So lets make it harder for that group of citzens to vote.
 
ludin said:
Not really but when you hear reports of people winning elections in places where more people voted than lived in the area there seems to be issues.
when you have reports of precinct workers filling out incomplete ballots and submitting them is illegal. these are the things that need to stop.

these get out the vote organizations need to be looked at in how they sign people up and how they take people to the voting place. telling people to vote a certain way in picking them up is illegal. voter tampering is a felony unless you are the black panthers and can intimidate people at the polls and get away with it.
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You know the facts. In person voter fraud was 0.00000001% of the total votes in the last election. Not exactly a rampant issue.

And I'm convinced the Republican Gov. Scott tilted Florida into an Obama win. The minorities were so pissed off at the Republicans making it more difficult for them to vote that they went out of their way to vote.
 
BigRedChief said:
You know the facts. In person voter fraud was 0.00000001% of the total votes in the last election. Not exactly a rampant issue.

And I'm convinced the Republican Gov. Scott tilted Florida into an Obama win. The minorities were so pissed off at the Republicans making it more difficult for them to vote that they went out of their way to vote.
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how are people working mail in ballots and filling in the blanks including votes not voter fraud bit it happened?
this still doesn't take way from that fact there were area's in which more people voted than lived in the area? why was that not looked into.

ACORN the biggest corrupted organization of all was hammered on multiple levels for committing fraud.
 
James D Hill said:
The fact is the less people show up to vote the better for the GOP. I think that alone is the reason and some honest conservatives have even admitted it.
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Even United Nations monitors were surprised that the United States allowed dead people to vote. This isn't a common practice in the rest of the world.
 
James D Hill said:
What could be the conservative motivation for making it harder to vote. They want to get rid of Sunday voting. They want to limit absentee voting. They want to close voting at 5 PM. They act like voter fraud is everywhere when it is not to justify voter ID laws. So why would conservatives do this. Could it be they win when voter turnout is low and they know it. It is not a law and order issue at all but plain voter suppression. They would not be so low down now would they? Of course the would. At the drop of the hat because they know they are on the wrong side of many issues and are too stubborn to change.
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I think it is clear enough.

There is nobody who is trying to suppress legitimate voters, here.

As much as those of you on the wrong try to deny it, it is a fact that our electoral system is vulnerable to fraudulent voting. There is at least one known instance in which the outcome of an election was almost certainly changed, as a result of one candidate openly courting and receiving the votes of illegal aliens. (California 46th Congressional District, 1996, Loretta Sanchez very narrowly defeated the incumbent Bob Dornan, by less than a thousand votes. Sanchez openly encouraged illegal aliens to vote for her, and although the matter was never fully or properly investigated, a preliminary investigation proved that at least 748 votes were fraudulently cast. There are credible estimates that the actual number of fraudulent votes in that election may be on the order of several thousand—overwhelming in favor of Ms. Sanchez.)

Anyway, it is quite clear that voter fraud benefits one side of this nation's political divide, to the detriment of the other side. There is one side that openly caters and panders to illegal aliens, and to all other manner of criminals, and it stands to reason that that is the side that will get the lion's share of the votes illegally cast thereby.


The argument really isn't about suppressing votes, or whether or to what extent voter fraud is a problem. It's about which side benefits from it, and wishes it to continue; and which side does not benefit from it, and wishes it to be reduced.

The side that benefits from voter fraud is opposed to efforts to reduce it, and the side to which voter fraud is a detriment is the side that wants to reduce it.

If it was the Republican party that pandered to illegal aliens and other criminals, and expected to benefit from illegitimate votes cast thereby, then it would be the Democrats that were in favor of measures to reduce voter fraud, and the Republicans that would oppose such measures.
 
James D Hill said:
What could be the conservative motivation for making it harder to vote. They want to get rid of Sunday voting. They want to limit absentee voting. They want to close voting at 5 PM. They act like voter fraud is everywhere when it is not to justify voter ID laws. So why would conservatives do this. Could it be they win when voter turnout is low and they know it. It is not a law and order issue at all but plain voter suppression. They would not be so low down now would they? Of course the would. At the drop of the hat because they know they are on the wrong side of many issues and are too stubborn to change.
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Maybe you should ask why democrats think so little of citizens that they are unwilling to assure the validity of the voters and therefore the vote? Is it because democrats are not likely to win without voter fraud?
 
James D Hill said:
What could be the conservative motivation for making it harder to vote.
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Why are liberals so opposed to helping conservatives believe in the integrity of the vote? I really don't get it. If I'm in a business transaction with someone, especially on a regular basis, I'd want to allay their concerns that I'm cheating them.

I believe that Democrats are dishonest during polling and regularly stuff the ballot box. I don't trust Democrats. Why do you purposely try to make it difficult for me to trust you guys?
 
James D Hill said:
The fact is the less people show up to vote the better for the GOP. I think that alone is the reason and some honest conservatives have even admitted it.
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How does it benefit the nation when the drugged, the drunks, the idiots and the sponges wake up around 11 am roll out of bed and go vote for more of the same?

Maybe we need a rule changed. If you want to vote in some level of government you must be able to prove you are a net tax payer for that level?

That eliminates the enormous number of parasites.
 
Paschendale said:
Only a single election has ever been identified as being affected by an illegal in-person vote. And it was in a primary election, which is a vote within a private organization that can make whatever rules it wants. Literally no actual public elections have ever been determined to have been swayed by fake votes. Voter fraud is a non-issue, no matter how much conservatives want to pretend that non citizens (though they usually focus exclusively on Mexican immigrants without green cards or visas) are voting in elections.

The recent moves towards voter ID are nothing but a calculated move to prevent demographics that lean substantially Democrat from voting. It's just a partisan power grab, and they're willing to strip people of their rights in order to do it.
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Do you mean that as a group Democrats are just to darned stupid and lazy to get a voter ID? If they are that stupid I can understand why you would want them to vote. And why I would prefer they remain in bed that day.
 
BigRedChief said:
You know the facts. In person voter fraud was 0.00000001% of the total votes in the last election.
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How can that possibly be known? Without checking the IDs of voters, without verifying who is and is not actually entitled to cast the vote that he is casting, I do not think it is possible to know at what rate illegitimate votes are being cast.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
How can that possibly be known? Without checking the IDs of voters, without verifying who is and is not actually entitled to cast the vote that he is casting, I do not think it is possible to know at what rate illegitimate votes are being cast.
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Maybe we should just take blood samples at the voting booth and match it to the DNA database. That will stop the cheats.
 
BigRedChief said:
Maybe we should just take blood samples at the voting booth and match it to the DNA database. That will stop the cheats.
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A photo ID is less expensive, responsible and most of all it is not idiotic. Why would anyone want even greater government intrusion?
 
BigRedChief said:
You realize that ACORN hasn't existed for years, correct?
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What is it that liberals say, oh yeah, "corporations are not people." ACORN, the legal documents which constitute the existence of ACORN as a not-for-profit society, certainly didn't commit any crimes. It's quite easy to give a death sentence to a non-profit society - it's assets are sold, it's debts are paid, and that's it, it's dead.

The criminal masterminds behind the ACORN organized crime scheme move onto new scams to help the Democrats steal elections.
 
Misterveritis said:
A photo ID is less expensive, responsible and most of all it is not idiotic.
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Lighten up Francis.......GEEZZZZ....I'll get you a new sarcasm meter for Christmas.
Misterveritis said:
Why would anyone want even greater government intrusion?
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I don't know? Makes me wonder when some of your brethren would advocate for the government to force a victim of rape to carry her rapists kid for 9 months? The government deciding what a individual does with their body. Seems to me that qualifies as a "government intrusion".
 
BigRedChief said:
Who says corporations are people?
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The constitution says corporations have some of the same rights as "persons". They get to share the benefits and none of the responsibilty.
 
BigRedChief said:
Lighten up Francis.......GEEZZZZ....I'll get you a new sarcasm meter for Christmas.
I don't know? Makes me wonder when some of your brethren would advocate for the government to force a victim of rape to carry her rapists kid for 9 months? The government deciding what a individual does with their body. Seems to me that qualifies as a "government intrusion".
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I would word it differently. That is an issue for the states and the people to resolve. It is not an issue for the federal government.

I see nothing wrong with some of my brethren (although I have yet to meet one) with advocating that a rape victim bear her criminal's child. If they are trying to change the public's opinion and even encourage local, state politicians, to make such changes that is fine. But judge buying is tyrannical. And very often it is a tool the Left uses. It will lead to a rebellion.
 
Moot said:
The constitution says corporations have some of the same rights as "persons".
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Please provide a link or quote where the constitution says corporations are people with the same rights as individual?
 
Misterveritis said:
I see nothing wrong with some of my brethren (although I have yet to meet one) with advocating that a rape victim bear her criminal's child. If they are trying to change the public's opinion and even encourage local, state politicians, to make such changes that is fine. But judge buying is tyrannical. And very often it is a tool the Left ues. It will lead to a rebellion.
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So you realize the hypocritical views that you are spouting don't you?

No government intrusion in peoples life's unless its something I want to dictate to others.
 
James D Hill said:
What could be the conservative motivation for making it harder to vote. They want to get rid of Sunday voting. They want to limit absentee voting. They want to close voting at 5 PM. They act like voter fraud is everywhere when it is not to justify voter ID laws. So why would conservatives do this. Could it be they win when voter turnout is low and they know it. It is not a law and order issue at all but plain voter suppression. They would not be so low down now would they? Of course the would. At the drop of the hat because they know they are on the wrong side of many issues and are too stubborn to change.
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The better question would be why do liberals worry so much about disallowing fraudulent votes?
 
James D Hill said:
What could be the conservative motivation for making it harder to vote. They want to get rid of Sunday voting. They want to limit absentee voting. They want to close voting at 5 PM. They act like voter fraud is everywhere when it is not to justify voter ID laws. So why would conservatives do this. Could it be they win when voter turnout is low and they know it. It is not a law and order issue at all but plain voter suppression. They would not be so low down now would they? Of course the would. At the drop of the hat because they know they are on the wrong side of many issues and are too stubborn to change.
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To prevent fraud.
 
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