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GOP freaking out over executive orders.

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So the GOP is having another dead-end freak out. This time over executive orders even though this president have way less than previous presidents. Now do you still wonder why we thing the GOP is being ran by a bunch of nimrods? Give me a freaking break. They say no to everything and then bitch when the president uses his right to executive orders. I think he should have used it more. Reagan forced fascist drug testing on us that way in 1986.
 
GOP is always freaking out. No biggie. Drug testing started in 80 by the way.
 
mak2 said:
GOP is always freaking out. No biggie. Drug testing started in 80 by the way.
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In 1986 Reagan issues an executive order that said anyone who does business with the feds and the feds themselves must be drug tested. That is where the fascism started. You are right about the GOP always freaking out about something. That is why they are the party of witch hunts.
 
I was in the USMC, they started testing us in 80 or 81. Funny thing, all the military lawyers told all the Marines busted on piss tests alone they would someday have them overturned because it was clearly self incrimination. Guess not...
James D Hill said:
In 1986 Reagan issues an executive order that said anyone who does business with the feds and the feds themselves must be drug tested. That is where the fascism started. You are right about the GOP always freaking out about something. That is why they are the party of witch hunts.
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James D Hill said:
So the GOP is having another dead-end freak out. This time over executive orders even though this president have way less than previous presidents. Now do you still wonder why we thing the GOP is being ran by a bunch of nimrods? Give me a freaking break. They say no to everything and then bitch when the president uses his right to executive orders. I think he should have used it more. Reagan forced fascist drug testing on us that way in 1986.
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Would you swoon if Obama was your king?
 
James D Hill said:
So the GOP is having another dead-end freak out. This time over executive orders even though this president have way less than previous presidents. Now do you still wonder why we thing the GOP is being ran by a bunch of nimrods? Give me a freaking break. They say no to everything and then bitch when the president uses his right to executive orders. I think he should have used it more. Reagan forced fascist drug testing on us that way in 1986.
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Executive orders aren't to be used to circumvent Congress. Why would anyone cheer on a prez that flatout says he's going to pass his own laws?
 
apdst said:
Executive orders aren't to be used to circumvent Congress. Why would anyone cheer on a prez that flatout says he's going to pass his own laws?
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Because the GOp says no to everything.
 
Ray410 said:
Would you swoon if Obama was your king?
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Are you kidding? Damn right the Libbos would swoon over King Obama! They have wet dreams about that!
 
apdst said:
That's how the system works.
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Our founding Fathers did not create a system that wasn't supposed to work.
The president can't just bypass Congress, because he's not getting his way.
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President Obama will be careful to sign executive orders as his 43 predecessors .
 
from Wikipedia:

Executive orders have the full force of law[1] when they take authority from a power granted directly to the Executive by the Constitution, or are made in pursuance of certain Acts of Congress which explicitly delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation). Like statutes or regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review, and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution

I thought this was interesting:
Executive Order 13233, issued by President George W. Bush in 2001, which restricted public access to the papers of former presidents, was criticized by the Society of American Archivists and other groups, stating that it "violates both the spirit and letter of existing U.S. law on access to presidential papers as clearly laid down in 44 USC. 2201–07," and adding that the order "potentially threatens to undermine one of the very foundations of our nation". President Obama revoked Executive Order 13233 in January 2009.[11]

If they are subject to judicial review and if every President in office used them (Obama using them less then Clinton, Reagan or Bush or even Nixon) why is the rigt loosing their ****?

Seriously, someone help me get this.
 
apdst said:
That's how the system works. The president can't just bypass Congress, because he's not getting his way.
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Why, then, does he believe he can? I believe he has already stated that he intends to do so.

Greetings, apdst. :2wave:
 
NIMBY said:
Our founding Fathers did not create a system that wasn't supposed to work.
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They didn't create a system that doesn't work. It's working fine. I'm glad that the GOP isn't letting Marse Barack have his way. Too bad for the country that there weren't enough Republicans to stop Obamafail from becoming law.

President Obama will be careful to sign executive orders as his 43 predecessors .
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How many of those predecessors used EO's to by-pass Congress?
 
polgara said:
Why, then, does he believe he can? I believe he has already stated that he intends to do so.

Greetings, apdst. :2wave:
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He's just that arrogant. I don't think he'll try to become a dictator, because he knows he'll never get away with it, but he sure as hell would like to...lol!!

Good evening, darlin'!
 
apdst said:
They didn't create a system that doesn't work. It's working fine.
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Even Right-minded conservative Republican Politicians admit it is broken.
Too bad for the country that there weren't enough Republicans to stop Obamafail from becoming law.
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Yes, too bad the American people were allowed to vote for Democrats who voted for Obama Cares.



How many of those predecessors used EO's to by-pass Congress?
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all of them .
 
polgara said:
Why, then, does he believe he can? I believe he has already stated that he intends to do so.

Greetings, apdst. :2wave:
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He stated he would use whatever power was available to him to make sure we finally make some progress on issues that need change. (not a quote obviously)
 
NIMBY said:
Even Right-minded conservative Republican Politicians admit it is broken.
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Breaking it more--by circumventing the system--isn't the way to fix it.

Yes, too bad the American people were allowed to vote for Democrats who voted for Obama Cares.
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Too bad too few of them realized their mistake, too late.



all of them .
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Links? Prolly not, huh?
 
apdst said:
Breaking it more--by circumventing the system--isn't the way to fix it.
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Congress is broken.
Even right-minded conservative republican elected politicians are on record as admitting it is broken.
Time to side-step Republican saboteurs who were accusing "lawlessness" before the SOTU was delivered .
 
opendebate said:
He stated he would use whatever power was available to him to make sure we finally make some progress on issues that need change. (not a quote obviously)
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Since that's not a quote, allow me to help you out: "I won't wait for Congress". Obviously, he acknowledges that it's Congress' to pass laws and he's not going to wait for them; he's going to do it himself.
 
NIMBY said:
Congress is broken.
Even right-minded conservative republican elected politicians are on record as admitting it is broken.
Time to side-step Republican saboteurs who were accusing "lawlessness" before the SOTU was delivered .
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I agree, to an extent, and it became broken when they started thinking that the government can't create economic prosperity. It broke down, when they started passing every nanny-state law they could think of, to justify their existence.
 
To be like you, I would say it occurred during the "nanny" President, when Reagan started the deficits, as told to us by Cheney .
apdst said:
I agree, to an extent, and it became broken when they started thinking that the government can't create economic prosperity. It broke down, when they started passing every nanny-state law they could think of, to justify their existence.
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My question is not whether or not he can run things by EO. My question is why did he feel it necessary or desirable to include it in the SOTU. It seemed like a childish threat and gave no value. He could just use his EO powers if and when necessary or desirable without making a pronouncement.

If anything, he has deliberately put the RW on the defensive. Why? How did this help anything? Has any other President announced this? I think not. They just did it and dealt with the consequences, good or bad. But to wave it around.....no useful purpose. He really needs to STFU and just do his job.
 
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