Why are cons so mad at one of if not the greatest bull market?

Vern · Jan 7, 2014

I haven't seen cons this angry since President Obama got OBL. Its just a shame that cons would rather the market go to zero, the dollar collapse and we get hyperinflation just so they can say "Ha! we were right". Why why why do they put their ideology over what best for America?

Ockham · Jan 7, 2014

Vern said:
I haven't seen cons this angry since President Obama got OBL. Its just a shame that cons would rather the market go to zero, the dollar collapse and we get hyperinflation just so they can say "Ha! we were right". Why why why do they put their ideology over what best for America?

It was as fake with Bush 43 as it is with Obama now. QE1 and QE2 created government money printing instead of actually addressing the issues that face our economy. I consider QE1 and QE2 akin to a heroin addiction and everyone's partying while the fix is in. One day the fix will be over and withdraw sets in. It's not partisan - it's just stupid. :shrug:

Velvet Elvis · Jan 7, 2014

Here is a bag.

It contains all the factual sense that the OP makes.

The stock market is a shallow indicator of the overall economy, and there is plenty wrong with your God-President than just the economy. I would think that this would make sense, but then again...

...the bag already contains all the sense that the OP makes.

The German · Jan 7, 2014

Vern said:
I haven't seen cons this angry since President Obama got OBL. Its just a shame that cons would rather the market go to zero, the dollar collapse and we get hyperinflation just so they can say "Ha! we were right". Why why why do they put their ideology over what best for America?

I was under the impression that the American left was constantly complaining about the American right making claims that are not backed up by any facts and sources.

Yet here you are, doing......

Vern · Jan 7, 2014

The German said:
I was under the impression that the American left was constantly complaining about the American right making claims that are not backed up by any facts and sources.

Yet here you are, doing......

am I asking too much if I ask you to clarify exactly you contest?

azgreg · Jan 7, 2014

The German said:
I was under the impression that the American left was constantly complaining about the American right making claims that are not backed up by any facts and sources.

Yet here you are, doing......

It's all he's got. He's a one trick pony.

The German · Jan 7, 2014

Vern said:
am I asking too much if I ask you to clarify exactly you contest?

Ok.

Your high Lordship, would yee kindly present to the pesants the documents and research that lead you to formulate your initial statement?

KevinKohler · Jan 7, 2014

The German said:
Ok.

Your high Lordship, would yee kindly present to the pesants the documents and research that lead you to formulate your initial statement?

You're gonna get along just fine round here.

Vern · Jan 7, 2014

Velvet Elvis said:
The stock market is a shallow indicator of the overall economy, .

you could make an argument its a shallow indicator. We do know that a crashing stock market hurts the economy. Bush letting lehman fail kinda proved that. But I don't recall stating it was proof that the economy was fine. I'm simply pointing out that cons seem to be upset with one of if not the greatest bull market. You only confirm my suspicions.

Hey look, your bag also contains all the intelligent and thread related points you posted

apdst · Jan 7, 2014

Vern said:
I haven't seen cons this angry since President Obama got OBL. Its just a shame that cons would rather the market go to zero, the dollar collapse and we get hyperinflation just so they can say "Ha! we were right". Why why why do they put their ideology over what best for America?

It's a bull with no horns. The only reason the market is doing well, is because of cash infusion by the government.

Velvet Elvis · Jan 7, 2014

Vern said:
I'm simply pointing out that cons seem to be upset with one of if not the greatest bull market.

Put your money where your mouth is. Let's see some examples of this.

Please leave out anywhere where "cons" (in your words):

...are upset about 0bamaCare.
...are upset about drone strikes in countries we are not at war with.
...are upset about his blatant lying.
...are upset about his tightly-closed door policy of "ruling."
...are upset about how he undermines the Constitution.
...are upset about his cozying up with US enemies.
...are upset about Benghazi.
...are upset about stagnant unemployment.

Please....be specific. Otherwise, this is just another of your patented troll threads.

specklebang · Jan 7, 2014

apdst said:
It's a bull with no horns. The only reason the market is doing well, is because of cash infusion by the government.

Yes. All it has done was made the rich even richer.

Record profits and lower salaries have also been a prime factor.

apdst · Jan 7, 2014

specklebang said:
Yes. All it has done was made the rich even richer.

Record profits and lower salaries have also been a prime factor.

You're confusing the stock market with the real world.

specklebang · Jan 7, 2014

apdst said:
You're confusing the stock market with the real world.

Not at all. In the "real world" the USG has been printing up tons of money and handing it over to the banks so big Corps can borrow cheap and make big profits. Also, they have increased profits by eliminating raises and doubling workloads on their staff. Record profits are the basis of record stock prices.

But if I'm wrong, please correct me.

Velvet Elvis · Jan 7, 2014

specklebang said:
Not at all. In the "real world" the USG has been printing up tons of money and handing it over to the banks so big Corps can borrow cheap and make big profits. Also, they have increased profits by eliminating raises and doubling workloads on their staff. Record profits are the basis of record stock prices.

But if I'm wrong, please correct me.

Not to "correct," but to "explain:"

It's not "record profits" is what the indicator is...it's profit margin. I know this from personal experience. For decades, banks (like the government) had enjoyed a bit of bloat. Now that the "salad days" are over, these financial institutions are having to pare back. Unlike the government, financial institutions can't just extort more money from people. What used to be mid-30% profit margin, has been reduced down to mid-20% margins, and banks have been forced to make changes to maintain those margins.

Actually....it would be nice if the government would take a clue from these financial institutions, and learn how to pare back as well. NOTHING is as bloated as our government.

iguanaman · Jan 7, 2014

specklebang said:
Not at all. In the "real world" the USG has been printing up tons of money and handing it over to the banks so big Corps can borrow cheap and make big profits. Also, they have increased profits by eliminating raises and doubling workloads on their staff. Record profits are the basis of record stock prices.

But if I'm wrong, please correct me.

The Fed is infusing money into the system to head off deflation and the ensuing Depression that always follows it. There are unintended consequences like boosting Bank profits but the alternative is much, much worse.

specklebang · Jan 8, 2014

Velvet Elvis said:
Not to "correct," but to "explain:"

It's not "record profits" is what the indicator is...it's profit margin. I know this from personal experience. For decades, banks (like the government) had enjoyed a bit of bloat. Now that the "salad days" are over, these financial institutions are having to pare back. Unlike the government, financial institutions can't just extort more money from people. What used to be mid-30% profit margin, has been reduced down to mid-20% margins, and banks have been forced to make changes to maintain those margins.

Actually....it would be nice if the government would take a clue from these financial institutions, and learn how to pare back as well. NOTHING is as bloated as our government.

Thank you. I'm also referring to corporations in general. They are doing well and have trillions stashed (legally, ethically and tax paid). They are making money. Some of them (and I have friends that work for large corporations) have increasingly not rehired lost workers increasing workloads to the point where nobody will ever see the bottom of their in-basket again. They cut holidays. They give minuscule raises. They sell your job to India.

They have every right to do this. With high unemployment comes lower wages. That is the contract between employer and employee. IMHO we overall would be better off if they were more generous. But who wants to go first on a challenge like that? These are businessmen, not philosophers or futurists. They are in business to make as much money as possible as quickly as possible.

So their stocks increase in value.

I hope that made sense.

specklebang · Jan 8, 2014

iguanaman said:
The Fed is infusing money into the system to head off deflation and the ensuing Depression that always follows it. There are unintended consequences like boosting Bank profits but the alternative is much, much worse.

Well, I haven't seen a whole lot of deflation at the store but yes, I've heard this. Nobody wants a depression. I wish I could get some of that diffusion. In fact, I wish I knew anyone who did.

iguanaman · Jan 8, 2014

specklebang said:
Well, I haven't seen a whole lot of deflation at the store but yes, I've heard this. Nobody wants a depression. I wish I could get some of that diffusion. In fact, I wish I knew anyone who did.

Currently, the Euro zone is at most risk for deflation now because of their earlier "austerity" screw-up and their "Fed" is scrambling. Deflation is the most damaging economic condition there is, ask the Japanese.
Bankers have us by the balls and that is just the way it is. They take us all down with them and we can't have that can we?

Surprise drop in euro zone inflation shows deflation risk | Reuters

specklebang · Jan 8, 2014

iguanaman said:
Currently, the Euro zone is at most risk for deflation now because of their earlier "austerity" screw-up and their "Fed" is scrambling. Deflation is the most damaging economic condition there is, ask the Japanese.
Bankers have us by the balls and that is just the way it is. They take us all down with them and we can't have that can we?

Surprise drop in euro zone inflation shows deflation risk | Reuters

Why don't they send every tax payer a $10K VISA card with a 6 month expiry. Not usable for houses or cars but anything else goes. That's my plan and if I am elected....a chicken in every pot. Or is it better to move money back and forth clipping commissions along the way? In other words, how do WE get in on this? Are we waiting for a banker to trickle on us?

Vern · Jan 8, 2014

The German said:
Ok.

Your high Lordship, would yee kindly present to the pesants the documents and research that lead you to formulate your initial statement?

I have to admit I'm really suprised you need me to back this up

"Hours after receiving the go-ahead from President Barack Obama to perform a "surgical strike" on an expansive compound thought to house Osama bin Laden, helicopters descended out of the darkness into an affluent Pakistani neighborhood a few hours from Islamabad by car. "

Minute-by-minute: The operation to get bin Laden - CBS News

Vern · Jan 8, 2014

Velvet Elvis said:
Put your money where your mouth is. Let's see some examples of this.

Please leave out anywhere where "cons" (in your words):

...are upset about 0bamaCare.
...are upset about drone strikes in countries we are not at war with.
...are upset about his blatant lying.
...are upset about his tightly-closed door policy of "ruling."
...are upset about how he undermines the Constitution.
...are upset about his cozying up with US enemies.
...are upset about Benghazi.
...are upset about stagnant unemployment.

Please....be specific. Otherwise, this is just another of your patented troll threads.

I'm not sure I understand but are you saying people are responding to a thread about the incredible stock market gains (this one and another one I started) because they are mad about the list you posted? each one of those things in the list really deserve a thread of their own mostly because they are just part of the non stop campaign to lie about President Obama. Maybe you should add "...are upset he was born in Kenya" to the list " or ".... are upset he tried to kill old people".

CanadaJohn · Jan 8, 2014

Vern said:
I haven't seen cons this angry since President Obama got OBL. Its just a shame that cons would rather the market go to zero, the dollar collapse and we get hyperinflation just so they can say "Ha! we were right". Why why why do they put their ideology over what best for America?

That's just nonsense - I've personally benefitted from the artificial increase in market value. Just hope I'm able to properly time the crash and get out just before.

BTW, what do you believe Obama has done to cause the market to rise? Anything?

Helix · Jan 8, 2014

in an alternate universe, Romney is president, and the responses to this thread are exactly the opposite, lol.

in this one, the wealth isn't trickling down very well.

Vern · Jan 8, 2014

CanadaJohn said:
That's just nonsense - I've personally benefitted from the artificial increase in market value. Just hope I'm able to properly time the crash and get out just before.

BTW, what do you believe Obama has done to cause the market to rise? Anything?

By maintaing positive GDP while reducing the deficit.

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