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    IRS Going After two who Publicly Embarrassed Obamacare

    Again - as we saw with the abuses of the tea-party associated groups, this stuff doesn't even have to be directed from the center (though it can be).

    In fact, given the almost insane amount of blowback that could come from such a thing, I would tend to doubt it. Even the architects of Obamacare aren't that stupid.

    All it requires, in fact, is a government employee willing to use the powers entrusted to him by the people of this nation to pursue personal vendetta's or abuse those with whom he disagrees.


    One afternoon a few weeks ago, Chicago insurance broker and ObamaCare critic C. Steven Tucker happened to see a cancer patient tell Fox News' Megyn Kelly about losing his health care insurance policy.

    Tucker looked up the South Carolina resident on Facebook and offered help him find health care coverage immediately so his badly-needed cancer treatments could continue. Tucker and cancer patient Bill Elliott connected and Tucker was able to find Elliott the help he needed. Elliott publicly thanked Tucker for his life-saving assistance, but little did either know they would soon be fighting another battle - this one with the Internal Revenue Service.

    Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving, both Tucker and Elliott received official notifications that they were being audited by the Internal Revenue Service.
    Elliott, who is a retired government worker, was told he would be facing audit in 2014. Tucker says the IRS letter to him demands $4000 from 2003 and $2000 from 2010 be paid before December 26, 2013....

    Tucker says he has obtained legal counsel and plans to fight the IRS' demands.

    Meanwhile, IRS Chief Counsel William Wilkins responds with I don't recall more than 80 times during questioning on the original tea-party-targeting scandal.

    I wonder how well his co-workers would take it if Mr Tucker and Mr Elliot were to provide similar levels of response during their audit?
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    Re: IRS Going After two who Publicly Embarrassed Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Again - as we saw with the abuses of the tea-party associated groups, this stuff doesn't even have to be directed from the center (though it can be). In fact, given the almost insane amount of blowback that could come from such a thing, I would tend to doubt it. Even the architects of Obamacare aren't that stupid. All it requires, in fact, is a government employee willing to use the powers entrusted to him by the people of this nation to pursue personal vendetta's or abuse those with whom he disagrees. Meanwhile, IRS Chief Counsel William Wilkins responds with I don't recall more than 80 times during questioning on the original tea-party-targeting scandal. I wonder how well his co-workers would take it if Mr Tucker and Mr Elliot were to provide similar levels of response during their audit?
    If neither of them have done anything wrong what do they have to worry about. It's just an audit, there'll only be a penalty if they are somehow defrauding the gov't, and it kind of sounds like they are.
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    Re: IRS Going After two who Publicly Embarrassed Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    If neither of them have done anything wrong what do they have to worry about. It's just an audit, there'll only be a penalty if they are somehow defrauding the gov't, and it kind of sounds like they are.
    how?
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    Re: IRS Going After two who Publicly Embarrassed Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Again - as we saw with the abuses of the tea-party associated groups, this stuff doesn't even have to be directed from the center (though it can be).

    In fact, given the almost insane amount of blowback that could come from such a thing, I would tend to doubt it. Even the architects of Obamacare aren't that stupid.

    All it requires, in fact, is a government employee willing to use the powers entrusted to him by the people of this nation to pursue personal vendetta's or abuse those with whom he disagrees.





    Meanwhile, IRS Chief Counsel William Wilkins responds with I don't recall more than 80 times during questioning on the original tea-party-targeting scandal.

    I wonder how well his co-workers would take it if Mr Tucker and Mr Elliot were to provide similar levels of response during their audit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    If neither of them have done anything wrong what do they have to worry about. It's just an audit, there'll only be a penalty if they are somehow defrauding the gov't, and it kind of sounds like they are.
    I can only hope so, but somehow don't trust the government on his count. Far too easy to abuse the power entrusted to them, the bureaucrats.

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    Re: IRS Going After two who Publicly Embarrassed Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    how?
    Because the guy on Megan Kelley's show was proven to be either entirely ignorant or lying, iirc, and then someone gives him a bundle of money? Hmmm. sounds suspicious to me. Something is going on there.
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    Re: IRS Going After two who Publicly Embarrassed Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Because the guy on Megan Kelley's show was proven to be either entirely ignorant or lying, iirc, and then someone gives him a bundle of money? Hmmm. sounds suspicious to me. Something is going on there.
    1. He was not lying - he did not realize that the company could have broken the HIPPA law.
    2. The second guy did not give him any money - what he did was lend him his assistance as an insurance broker in informing the company that they had likely broken the law, and would be vulnerable to suit if they did not immediately begin to cover all of his treatments (which were then restarted and have since sent the cancer into remission).

    What appears to be going on here is that two guy's whose main connection were that together they cast Obamacare in a negative light on public television are now suddenly getting audited for their trouble. Something does seem to be going on there.
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    Re: IRS Going After two who Publicly Embarrassed Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. He was not lying - he did not realize that the company could have broken the HIPPA law. 2. The second guy did not give him any money - what he did was lend him his assistance as an insurance broker in informing the company that they had likely broken the law, and would be vulnerable to suit if they did not immediately begin to cover all of his treatments (which were then restarted and have since sent the cancer into remission). What appears to be going on here is that two guy's whose main connection were that together they cast Obamacare in a negative light on public television are now suddenly getting audited for their trouble. Something does seem to be going on there.
    I gave room for him to be ignorant. Which company broke HIPPA rules? And a broker from another state claims some authority regarding another state's insurance laws? I guess he could know HIPPA but that's a legal issue not an insurance broker's issue. Like I said something's fishy.
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    Re: IRS Going After two who Publicly Embarrassed Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I gave room for him to be ignorant. Which company broke HIPPA rules?
    Elliots. One of the things that many who argued the "horrors of the current system" to justify passing Obamacare often forgot was that it was, in fact, already illegal for an insurance company to cancel a policy when the purchaser of the policy was sick.

    And a broker from another state claims some authority regarding another state's insurance laws? I guess he could know HIPPA but that's a legal issue not an insurance broker's issue. Like I said something's fishy.
    HIPPA is a national law. You are right that something does indeed smell fishy, and that is the willingness of a bureaucracy to think that it is above the American populace, and the willingness of some members of that supposedly-freedom-loving populace to enable it.
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    Re: IRS Going After two who Publicly Embarrassed Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Elliots. One of the things that many who argued the "horrors of the current system" to justify passing Obamacare often forgot was that it was, in fact, already illegal for an insurance company to cancel a policy when the purchaser of the policy was sick. HIPPA is a national law. You are right that something does indeed smell fishy, and that is the willingness of a bureaucracy to think that it is above the American populace, and the willingness of some members of that supposedly-freedom-loving populace to enable it.
    Not matter the situation, if they've nothing to hide, they've got nothing to worry about. An audit is not an indictment.
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    Re: IRS Going After two who Publicly Embarrassed Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Not matter the situation, if they've nothing to hide, they've got nothing to worry about. An audit is not an indictment.
    I take it, then, that you'd have no objection of the police want to make a detailed search of your home, to see if they can find any evidence of illegal activity on your part. If you've done nothing wrong, if you have nothing to hide, then you should have nothing to worry about, right?
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