Thread: It is time to look at changing gun laws.

Originally Posted by allsogreat

Just copy and paste the first sentence down to and including the name of the fellow who did the research into your search engine..and your there....I'm still not going to do your research for you////

your claim, your burden.

post your evidence or it doesn't exist.

This topic has been debated here 1001 times. Let it pass, another tragedy occurs and it comes up for mention again.

Here you go Thunder....Texas Concealed Handgun Carriers:Law-abiding Public Benefactors | Publications | National Center for Policy Analysis | NCPA do you need me to operate your keyboard...

I have one last thing to say, then I'm pretty sure I'm done talking about this crap.


In response to the OP, no now is most emphatically NOT the time to talk about changing gun laws. Laws should not be made in a time when the nation is in an uproar, when emotion is running high and reason is drowned in grief, panic and fear. That is the worst possible time to make new law, because it tends to lead to knee-jerk reaction law, emotionally driven law, law that is not based on reason and logic.

Now is the time to grieve and mourn, not the time to legislate.

Originally Posted by Goshin

I have one last thing to say, then I'm pretty sure I'm done talking about this crap.


In response to the OP, no now is most emphatically NOT the time to talk about changing gun laws. Laws should not be made in a time when the nation is in an uproar, when emotion is running high and reason is drowned in grief, panic and fear. That is the worst possible time to make new law, because it tends to lead to knee-jerk reaction law, emotionally driven law, law that is not based on reason and logic.

Now is the time to grieve and mourn, not the time to legislate.

Goshin why in the hell would you pollute this thread and the OP's point with such common sense, civility and logic? The nerve of you to think rationally like this and to suggest using common sense and reality to look at this situation. How dare you oppose emotionally inspired biased hyperbole for the motivation of laws.

You're so silly

Originally Posted by mike2810

I have a clean record. I most likely would pass any requirments to purchase/own a firearm. How is more stringent laws going to stop me if I go bonkers after I purchase a weapon?

I also think banning private sells may violate some other laws/rights. Now if you want to say it has to go through a licensed gun dealer, that may be ok. Especially if there is limits the dealer can charge.

That's no different than forcing citizens to buy insurance from a private company. It was wrong once but ruled ok so I can see that happening.

Originally Posted by Goshin

I have one last thing to say, then I'm pretty sure I'm done talking about this crap.


In response to the OP, no now is most emphatically NOT the time to talk about changing gun laws. Laws should not be made in a time when the nation is in an uproar, when emotion is running high and reason is drowned in grief, panic and fear. That is the worst possible time to make new law, because it tends to lead to knee-jerk reaction law, emotionally driven law, law that is not based on reason and logic.

Now is the time to grieve and mourn, not the time to legislate.

This post has caused me to reconsider my support of those who are discussing the relevant laws so soon after the tragedy.

Thanks Goshin.

The only people who would be hindered by more oppressive gun legislation are the people who care about the law... ie, the law abiding citizens.

Lawbreakers will not be hindered or affected by new laws. They will do as they always do: Break the law.

I wonder how many fewer people would have been killed in aurora if three or four of the movie watchers were carrying legal concealed weapons. Perhaps there would have been some defense among the innocent against this monster.

Originally Posted by Goshin

I have one last thing to say, then I'm pretty sure I'm done talking about this crap.


In response to the OP, no now is most emphatically NOT the time to talk about changing gun laws. Laws should not be made in a time when the nation is in an uproar, when emotion is running high and reason is drowned in grief, panic and fear. That is the worst possible time to make new law, because it tends to lead to knee-jerk reaction law, emotionally driven law, law that is not based on reason and logic.

Now is the time to grieve and mourn, not the time to legislate.

I was born in 1949 so I have been through many many many of these national tragedies going back to JFK. It used to be that when these things happened there was a simultaneous conversation conducted along with the grieving and outpourings of sympathy. The political types would discuss if we needed new laws and there was a national debate about such things. This happened after JFK and MLK and RFK and the Wallace shooting. It happened after the Reagan and Ford attempts. It happened after incidents involving average people who were victims in mass slayings. These discussions occurred as a matter of course - as a matter of national discourse.

And sometimes we got legislation and sometimes we did not get legislation.

But we always had the national discussion. It was considered as what we in education call "a teachable moment". In other words, the events of the day bring the issue before us, interest is high, and it is he perfect time to build on that interest which already exists.

However, over the last twenty years, the right has taken over the issue of guns and gun rights and laws having to do with those things. And with each passing year, their control of that issue only increases. One of the things the gun lobby and the right intentionally and purposely did was to attempt to take OFF THE TABLE any discussion of gun legislation at the very time the public concern was at its highest- in other words, during and right after these sort of tragic events involving guns.

They made a tactical political decision that their opponents would have less chance in a less favorable environment when the issue had died down and was no longer on the front page. So instead of the nation discourse being what it had been for at least three decades, the national discourse changed and we were not suppose to "not talk about it until the proper time". And the proper time was always when the issue had died down and fewer cared about it.

This is the perfect time to discuss these matters. There is no better time to discuss how you got the venereal disease than when you get the medical test back and they give you the bad news. It is the perfect time.

Unless of course you are the whore on the corner who wants the customers to keep coming back so you discourage any change in sexual habits and behaviors out of your own self interest.

Now is the time. I would like to say there will be be no other time. But we all know that is wrong. There will be plenty of opportunities down the road.

Yes, there will be no other time until the next national tragedy when we again express our revulsion, go through the nation store of kleenex and pretend we grieve for somebody we never knew a thousand miles away because we dare not do anything else.

Originally Posted by kamikaze483

The only people who would be hindered by more oppressive gun legislation are the people who care about the law... ie, the law abiding citizens.

Lawbreakers will not be hindered or affected by new laws. They will do as they always do: Break the law.

I wonder how many fewer people would have been killed in aurora if three or four of the movie watchers were carrying legal concealed weapons. Perhaps there would have been some defense among the innocent against this monster.

Could have been. I wouldn't necessarily bet on it but there is a much better chance than if nobody had a weapon