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    Re: If you do not believe in taxes......

    Quote Originally Posted by bonfire View Post
    its also possible without the government.
    Possible yes....Likely No.
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    Re: If you do not believe in taxes......

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Drive to work, buy a burger, go to the hospital, go to church, take your kids to the park, kick back on the beach, go for a walk, drink a couple beers, know your wife is safe, watch the news, go to the ballgame....etc...

    Every single one of these things is possible because of the United States Federal Government at some level.
    And it is also possible from the hard work and ingenuity of our citizens. It is not ONLY the government. The amount the government is involved and what they determine is needed is the question. Very few people would argue that NO government involvement in anything is needed. We have 47% of our citizens are paying no income taxes which creates a huge voting block to effect government involvement in our lives. The two parties don't use simply reason and necessity to determine what they should for us. They do what will buy them the most votes.
    It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

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    Re: If you do not believe in taxes......

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Drive to work, buy a burger, go to the hospital, go to church, take your kids to the park, kick back on the beach, go for a walk, drink a couple beers, know your wife is safe, watch the news, go to the ballgame....etc...

    Every single one of these things is possible because of the United States Federal Government at some level.
    No. Just because the federal government may subsidize those things on some level, it doesn't mean, by any stretch of the imagination, that they would be impossible without it.

    'coz hey, most, if not all, of them existed before the federal government did anything toward them.
    "It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." - D. Webster

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    Re: If you do not believe in taxes......

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Possible yes....Likely No.
    why do you think that?

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    Re: If you do not believe in taxes......

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    And it is also possible from the hard work and ingenuity of our citizens.
    What's the difference? Is our government not made up of hard working citizens with ingenuity? Is an architect or a scientist less skillful because his salary is paid by the government and not by a profit seeking company?

    Government is nothing more than a massive coordination machine, synchronizing our efforts so that we produce a greater result.
    The word "militant" is applied to religious people when they bomb buildings full of innocent people and to atheists when they speak with a non-deferential tone.

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    Re: If you do not believe in taxes......

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    1. Do not use Medicare.
    2. Do not use Social Security
    3. Do not become a member of the US military, who are paid with tax dollars.
    4. Do not ask the National Guard to help you after a disaster.
    5. Do not call 911 when you get hurt.
    6. Do not call the police to stop intruders in your home.
    7. Do not summon the fire department to save your burning home.
    8. Do not drive on any paved road, highway, and interstate or drive on any bridge.
    9. Do not use public restrooms.
    10. Do not send your kids to public schools.
    11. Do not put your trash out for city garbage collectors.
    12. Do not live in areas with clean air.
    13. Do not drink clean water.
    14. Do not visit National Parks.
    15. Do not visit public museums, zoos, and monuments.
    16. Do not eat or use FDA inspected food and medicines.
    17. Do not bring your kids to public playgrounds.
    18. Do not walk or run on sidewalks.
    19. Do not use public recreational facilities such as basketball and tennis courts.
    20. Do not seek shelter facilities or food in soup kitchens when you are homeless and hungry.
    21. Do not apply for educational or job training assistance when you lose your job.
    22. Do not apply for food stamps when you can’t feed your children.
    23. Do not use the judiciary system for any reason.
    24. Do not ask for an attorney when you are arrested and do not ask for one to be assigned to you by the court.
    25. Do not apply for any Pell Grants.
    26. Do not use cures that were discovered by labs using federal dollars.
    27. Do not fly on federally regulated airplanes.
    28. Do not use any product that can trace its development back to NASA.
    29. Do not watch the weather provided by the National Weather Service.
    30. Do not listen to severe weather warnings from the National Weather Service.
    31. Do not listen to tsunami, hurricane, or earthquake alert systems.
    32. Do not apply for federal housing.
    33. Do not use the internet, which was developed by the military.
    34. Do not swim in clean rivers.
    35. Do not allow your child to eat school lunches or breakfasts.
    36. Do not ask for FEMA assistance when everything you own gets wiped out by disaster.
    37. Do not ask the military to defend your life and home in the event of a foreign invasion.
    38. Do not use your cell phone or home telephone.
    39. Do not buy firearms that wouldn’t have been developed without the support of the US Government and military. That includes most of them.
    40. Do not eat USDA inspected produce and meat.
    41. Do not apply for government grants to start your own business.
    42. Do not apply to win a government contract.
    43. Do not buy any vehicle that has been inspected by government safety agencies.
    44. Do not buy any product that is protected from poisons, toxins, etc…by the Consumer Protection Agency.
    45. Do not save your money in a bank that is FDIC insured.
    46. Do not use Veterans benefits or military health care.
    47. Do not use the G.I. Bill to go to college.
    48. Do not apply for unemployment benefits.
    49. Do not use any electricity from companies regulated by the Department of Energy.
    50. Do not live in homes that are built to code.
    51. Do not run for public office. Politicians are paid with taxpayer dollars.
    52. Do not ask for help from the FBI, S.W.A.T, the bomb squad, Homeland Security, State troopers, etc…
    53. Do not apply for any government job whatsoever as all state and federal employees are paid with tax dollars.
    54. Do not use public libraries.
    55. Do not use the US Postal Service.
    56. Do not visit the National Archives.
    57. Do not visit Presidential Libraries.
    58. Do not use airports that are secured by the federal government.
    59. Do not apply for loans from any bank that is FDIC insured.
    60. Do not ask the government to help you clean up after a tornado.
    61. Do not ask the Department of Agriculture to provide a subsidy to help you run your farm.
    62. Do not take walks in National Forests.
    63. Do not ask for taxpayer dollars for your oil company.
    64. Do not ask the federal government to bail your company out during recessions.
    65. Do not seek medical care from places that use federal dollars.
    66. Do not use Medicaid.
    67. Do not use WIC.
    68. Do not use electricity generated by Hoover Dam.
    69. Do not use electricity or any service provided by the Tennessee Valley Authority.
    70. Do not ask the Army Corps of Engineers to rebuild levees when they break.
    71. Do not let the Coast Guard save you from drowning when your boat capsizes at sea.
    72. Do not ask the government to help evacuate you when all hell breaks loose in the country you are in.
    73. Do not visit historic landmarks.
    74. Do not visit fisheries.
    75. Do not expect to see animals that are federally protected because of the Endangered Species List.
    76. Do not expect plows to clear roads of snow and ice so your kids can go to school and so you can get to work.
    77. Do not hunt or camp on federal land.
    78. Do not work anywhere that has a safe workplace because of government regulations.
    79. Do not use public transportation.
    80. Do not drink water from public water fountains.
    81. Do not whine when someone copies your work and sells it as their own. Government enforces copyright laws.
    82. Do not expect to own your home, car, or boat. Government organizes and keeps all titles.
    83. Do not expect convicted felons to remain off the streets.
    84. Do not eat in restaurants that are regulated by food quality and safety standards.
    85. Do not seek help from the US Embassy if you need assistance in a foreign nation.
    86. Do not apply for a passport to travel outside of the United States.
    87. Do not apply for a patent when you invent something.
    88. Do not adopt a child through your local, state, or federal governments. 89.Do not use elevators that have been inspected by federal or state safety regulators.
    89. Do not use any resource that was discovered by the USGS.
    90. Do not ask for energy assistance from the government.
    91. Do not move to any other developed nation, because the taxes are much higher.
    92. Do not go to a beach that is kept clean by the state.
    93. Do not use money printed by the US Treasury.
    94. Do not complain when millions more illegal immigrants cross the border because there are no more border patrol agents.
    95. Do not attend a state university.
    96. Do not see any doctor that is licensed through the state.
    97. Do not use any water from municipal water systems.
    98. Do not complain when diseases and viruses, that were once fought around the globe by the US government and CDC, reach your house.
    99. Do not work for any company that is required to pay its workers a livable wage, provide them sick days, vacation days, and benefits.
    100. Do not expect to be able to vote on election days. Government provides voting booths, election day officials, and voting machines which are paid for with taxes.
    101. Do not ride trains. The railroad was built with government financial assistance.

    The old Dan is back!!!

    Great post, dude!

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    Re: If you do not believe in taxes......

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    What's the difference? Is our government not made up of hard working citizens with ingenuity? Is an architect or a scientist less skillful because his salary is paid by the government and not by a profit seeking company?
    Because they require taking things by force in order to operate.


    Government is nothing more than a massive coordination machine, synchronizing our efforts so that we produce a greater result.
    No, it's a coercive force which can take your freedom, your property, and your life, legally, if you don't comply with it.

    Or, say, you don't want to be "synchronized."

    "It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." - D. Webster

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    Re: If you do not believe in taxes......

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    What's the difference? Is our government not made up of hard working citizens with ingenuity? Is an architect or a scientist less skillful because his salary is paid by the government and not by a profit seeking company?
    Excellent point.

    Fox News and RW attack machines created this hatred of anyone who receives a paycheck from the government. Or belongs to a union.

    As if private corporations don't waste millions on executive Vegas parties -- millions that could go to their stock holders or employees.

    As if corporate American is ideal model for efficiency and capitalism perfected.... (GM, Chrysler, AIG)



    Government is nothing more than a massive coordination machine, synchronizing our efforts so that we produce a greater result.
    Well said.

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    Re: If you do not believe in taxes......

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Because they require taking things by force in order to operate.

    Yes, those tax forms you fill out are so forceful.

    No one is "forcing" you to live here and comply with the rules we all agreed to.

    No one is "forcing" you to live here and contribute to a general public fund that provides for....

    Medicare.
    Social Security
    US military, who are paid with tax dollars.
    National Guard to help you after a disaster.
    911 when you get hurt.
    call the police to stop intruders in your home.
    summon the fire department to save your burning home.
    drive on any paved road, highway, and interstate or drive on any bridge.
    public restrooms.
    public schools.
    garbage collectors.
    clean air.
    clean water.
    National Parks.
    public museums, zoos, and monuments.
    FDA inspected food and medicines.
    public playgrounds.
    sidewalks.
    public recreational facilities such as basketball and tennis courts.
    shelter facilities or food in soup kitchens when you are homeless and hungry.
    educational or job training assistance when you lose your job.
    food stamps when you can’t feed your children.
    judiciary system for any reason.
    attorney when you are arrested and do not ask for one to be assigned to you by the court.
    Pell Grants.
    cures that were discovered by labs using federal dollars.
    fly on federally regulated airplanes.
    any product that can trace its development back to NASA.
    weather provided by the National Weather Service.
    severe weather warnings from the National Weather Service.
    tsunami, hurricane, or earthquake alert systems.
    federal housing.
    internet, which was developed by the military.
    clean rivers.
    school lunches or breakfasts.
    FEMA assistance when everything you own gets wiped out by disaster.
    military to defend your life and home in the event of a foreign invasion.
    your cell phone or home telephone.
    buy firearms that wouldn’t have been developed without the support of the US Government and military. That includes most of them.
    USDA inspected produce and meat.
    government grants to start your own business.
    a government contract.
    any vehicle that has been inspected by government safety agencies.
    buy any product that is protected from poisons, toxins, etc…by the Consumer Protection Agency.
    save your money in a bank that is FDIC insured.
    Veterans benefits or military health care.
    G.I. Bill to go to college.
    apply for unemployment benefits.
    electricity from companies regulated by the Department of Energy.
    live in homes that are built to code.
    run for public office. Politicians are paid with taxpayer dollars.
    the FBI, S.W.A.T, the bomb squad, Homeland Security, State troopers, etc…
    apply for any government job whatsoever as all state and federal employees are paid with tax dollars.
    public libraries.
    US Postal Service.
    National Archives.
    Presidential Libraries.
    airports that are secured by the federal government.
    loans from any bank that is FDIC insured.
    ask the government to help you clean up after a tornado.
    Department of Agriculture to provide a subsidy to help you run your farm.
    take walks in National Forests.
    taxpayer dollars for your oil company.
    federal government to bail your company out during recessions.
    medical care from places that use federal dollars.
    Medicaid.
    WIC.
    electricity generated by Hoover Dam.
    electricity or any service provided by the Tennessee Valley Authority.
    Army Corps of Engineers to rebuild levees when they break.
    Coast Guard save you from drowning when your boat capsizes at sea.
    government to help evacuate you when all hell breaks loose in the country you are in.
    historic landmarks.
    fisheries.
    see animals that are federally protected because of the Endangered Species List.
    plows to clear roads of snow and ice so your kids can go to school and so you can get to work.
    hunt or camp on federal land.
    work anywhere that has a safe workplace because of government regulations.
    public transportation.
    drink water from public water fountains.
    Do not whine when someone copies your work and sells it as their own. Government enforces copyright laws.
    Do not expect to own your home, car, or boat. Government organizes and keeps all titles.
    Do not expect convicted felons to remain off the streets.
    Do not eat in restaurants that are regulated by food quality and safety standards.
    Do not seek help from the US Embassy if you need assistance in a foreign nation.
    Do not apply for a passport to travel outside of the United States.
    Do not apply for a patent when you invent something.
    Do not adopt a child through your local, state, or federal governments. 89.Do not use elevators that have been inspected by federal or state safety regulators.
    Do not use any resource that was discovered by the USGS.
    Do not ask for energy assistance from the government.
    Do not move to any other developed nation, because the taxes are much higher.
    Do not go to a beach that is kept clean by the state.
    Do not use money printed by the US Treasury.
    Do not complain when millions more illegal immigrants cross the border because there are no more border patrol agents.
    Do not attend a state university.
    Do not see any doctor that is licensed through the state.
    Do not use any water from municipal water systems.
    Do not complain when diseases and viruses, that were once fought around the globe by the US government and CDC, reach your house.
    Do not work for any company that is required to pay its workers a livable wage, provide them sick days, vacation days, and benefits.
    Do not expect to be able to vote on election days. Government provides voting booths, election day officials, and voting machines which are paid for with taxes.
    Do not ride trains. The railroad was built with government financial assistance.


    If you don't ever, ever, ever use any of these things, and can prove it... then, fine, you don't have to pay taxes.


    But if you don't like the rules we've all agreed to .... Then GET OFF THE FIELD... (move to Bolivia)

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    Re: If you do not believe in taxes......

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Because they require taking things by force in order to operate.

    No, it's a coercive force which can take your freedom, your property, and your life, legally, if you don't comply with it.

    Or, say, you don't want to be "synchronized."
    It's only force if you jam your head into the dirt and stubbornly refuse to work together with the rest of your country. Or are we somehow supposed to be so selfish as to harm ourselves, our culture, our country, and our way of life? Is it so terrible to stop at the big red octagon? Or not to engage in insider trading? Or to have to accurately label a food product? Or not to be able to just snatch up someone else's dog and take it away? Yeah, that government coercion is seriously wrecking your life.
    The word "militant" is applied to religious people when they bomb buildings full of innocent people and to atheists when they speak with a non-deferential tone.

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