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Written by a 21 year old female from texas !!

MaggieD said:
Well, this oughta' be causin' some apoplectic seizures in the forum.

I agree 100%. It'll never happen...but one can dream.
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sorry navy, taking away the right to vote is a definite deal breaker
 
Navy Pride said:
we take away the vote from felons who are incarcerated
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Doesn't make it right. Felons have done their time and paid their debt to society. Why shouldn't they be able to regain their rights once they get back out?
 
Neomalthusian said:
Because it's not a cost control. When you expand access (let alone mandate it), costs rise. In addition to expanding access you must also seriously restrict the amount of health care that is consumed, in some way or another.
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Hmmm, then why do countries with universal health care coverage pay so much less for health care and yet have very high standards of care? Must be the liberal media's fault...somehow.

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X Factor said:
Honestly, this looks like one of those emails that get bounced around. Karl Rove probably actually wrote it, lol.
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and you as a so called Conservative have a problem with what she said?
 
X Factor said:
Yes, especially if the burger flipper job payed better than not working did.
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Actually you'd prolly make slightly more on Unemployment.
 
Navy Pride said:
we take away the vote from felons who are incarcerated
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They broke the law. These other folks are innocent. Now, if you believe that those who are innocent of committing a crime should be treated equally to those who are guilty of committing a crime, then I'm SURE since you are for the Death Penalty (killing the guilty), that you are also PRO-ABORTION (killing the innocent).

I like you NP, but sometimes the level of your hypocrisy is outrageous.
 
Navy Pride said:
I agree with this young lady 100%







This was written by a 21 yr old female who gets it. It's her future
she's worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare big
government state that she's being forced to live in! These solutions are
just common sense in her opinion.

This was in the Waco Tribune Herald, Waco , TX , Nov 18, 2011

PUT ME IN CHARGE . . .

Put me in charge of food stamps. I'd get rid of Lone Star cards; no cash
for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho's, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans,
blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want
steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.

Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I'd do is to get women
Norplant birth control implants or tubal legations. Then, we'll test
recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine. If you want to reproduce or use
drugs, alcohol, or smoke, then get a job.

Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks?

You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair.
Your home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be
inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your
own place.

In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week
or you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways
of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We
will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo
and speakers and put that money toward the "common good.."

Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all of
the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules. Before you
say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self esteem," consider
that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing
absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.

If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at
least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system
rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.

AND While you are on Gov't subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes,
that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will
voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov't
welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.​






























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Oh, where to begin...

1) The reason why people can use food stamps to get Ding Dongs is because industrial food companies lobby Democrats and Republicans both, mostly on the platform that the government shouldn't tell people what to eat - even when the government is paying for it.

2) Most food stamp programs aren't for unemployed adults - they're for children. And children need a variety of foodstuffs in order to grow up healthy.

3) A lot of people who are on food stamps aren't unemployed - they're the working poor. And they use food stamps to supplement their food budget, especially if they have children. Because not every job pays a high enough wage to ensure that a worker can pay for the food s/he and his/her family needs.

4) The reason why many people use drugs in the first place is because they need mental health care, which is woefully lacking in this country. The mentally ill use illegal drugs because they cannot get the medication and counseling they need to live more fulfilling lives. So if you're against the mentally ill who use illegal drugs and so are on government assistance, perhaps a more efficient means of dealing with this is to instead develop a universal mental health care system.

5) Most drug users would love to be able to get and keep a job while also being able to do drugs. So legalize recreational drugs, prevent companies from being able to fire people solely because of drug use, and they'll be able to.

6) Government officials using illegal drugs are much more dangerous and costly to society than average people using illegal drugs. So let's start making drug tests for government officials first.

7) I'm sure that the break up of children from their families just so they can have shelter in a military-style barracks won't be traumatic at all to their kids, especially when their parents are foreclosed on because of the actions of banks rather than any wrongdoing they themselves did.

8) So a video game console and plasma screen tv will be inventoried. Doesn't mean you get to take that away. Especially since the Constitution says that citizens are free from unreasonable search and seizure.

9) Just because I can afford a video game console or a plasma screen tv does not mean I can afford a lengthy mortgage on a house, especially when the real estate developers will only build houses that the working poor are required to take out predatory loans to get.

10) Why would I need to paycheck stub to report to government housing? These working poor wouldn't need government housing at all if businesses would pay them greater wages rather than focus that company's pay budget on CEOs and other executives.

11) The reason why the wealthy pay a larger amount in dollars to the "common good" is because they can afford it. And the reason why they can is because the businesses they own or invest in pay lobbyists to write legislation to benefit them and so they can get government contracts. So if the reason why a CEO can afford a luxury car is because he gave a bunch of Congressmen and Senators kickbacks for a no-bid contract, I don't see how it helps to requisition the few entertainments that poor people save and scrimp for. Especially when big businesses are the ones who want them to buy their stuff in our consumer-driven economy.

12) "If you want our money, then obey our rules." This is funny when the rules are being written by mega-billion business interests giving campaign contributions to politicians so they can raid the American economy for their own use. Plenty of people are willing to work hard for a good wage. The only problem is that none of the big businesses want to pay that good wage. So why should I follow rules designed to keep those who are wealthy and those who are poor in those positions instead of in a regulated economy that ensures free markets by allowing new competition to emerge?

13) "If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system rewards them for continuing to make bad choices." Might want to tell that to the Wall Street banks and financial institutions who spent millions so Congress could write the current system for that. Which actually rewards the bad choices of those huge financial firms, not the poor. Since the poor have been foreclosed upon but those corporate executives haven't been put on trial for ruining the economy.

14) If anyone who is on the government dole is ineligible to vote, then so should the executives of companies that make bids for government contracts. And the managers of those businesses. And the employees. And the stockholders. Because taking government money is just as much of a conflict of interest to them.

15) There's a ton of people who would have jobs if less money went to Congressional kickbacks and CEOs bonuses for industries that ruin the economy and went more to hiring workers for a wage they can live on.

And considering that the writer is 21-years-old she doesn't have the experience needed for the job market nowadays, and even if she got one she's a female and so would get paid less. And Texas isn't known for doing things for that.
 
Navy Pride said:
and you as a so called Conservative have a problem with what she said?
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NP... your position on this is anti-American. You are trying to take away the voting rights of US citizens. You need to give it up on this position. You're going to get massacred.
 
See, this is why I don't really favor drastic solutions that come from either the far-right or far-left. They are often unworkable, frequently harsh, politically unfeasible, often Constitutionally questionable, and typically would run roughshod over lots of real people, many of whom are trying hard to do better and don't deserve to be steamroller'd by some drastic "solution".

Also, as I mentioned, the kind of welfare she's talking about is only a portion of our overspending problem... even if you eliminated welfare-as-shes-talking-about-it entirely, the budget would still be in the red by over half a trillion dollars annually.
 
Navy Pride said:
Can you imagine the money saved in this country if our fearless leaders listened to this young lady and implemented these policies?
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Exactly. We should take away those bums right to vote.
 
I still say there are plenty of jobs out there. I look at the want ads in the paper and they are there........The problem is a lot of people looking for a position not a job.
 
kenvin said:
Are conservatives schizophrenic? One day you guys think government giving women birth control free is evil communism and will destroy the country the next day its mandatory. WTF?
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It would only be mandatory for those he chose to not to be able to breed.
 
Navy Pride said:
I still say there are plenty of jobs out there. I look at the want ads in the paper and they are there........The problem is a lot of people looking for a position not a job.
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No, I was looking for a job. Temp agencies, working third shifts, etc. The problem is I am overqualified for jobs to make money and under qualified for jobs that I want.
 
johnny_rebson said:
Exactly. We should take away those bums right to vote.
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when I hear that my left wing friend I have a good laugh. Do you even have any idea in presidential elections the percentage of people that vote?
 
Navy Pride said:
I still say there are plenty of jobs out there. I look at the want ads in the paper and they are there........The problem is a lot of people looking for a position not a job.
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Yes, because the economy in Washington state = the economy EVERYWHERE IN AMERICAAAR!
 
Navy Pride said:
We do that already with a lot of people my left wing friend.
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Please demonstrate that OTHER THAN DISAGREEING WITH YOU, how johnny is a left winger.
 
soccerboy22 said:
No, I was looking for a job. Temp agencies, working third shifts, etc. The problem is I am overqualified for jobs to make money and under qualified for jobs that I want.
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I guess that is where you and I differ I would take almost any job to support my family.
 
Thunder said:
its disgusting how folks are trying to make it acceptable in our society to take away the right to vote from more citizens of our country.
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I'm not taking something away from you if I simply ask you to relinquish it in exchange for something I'm offering. In other words, no one is required to accept public funds, but once they opt to become a dependent of the taxpayer, they should lose the things that other dependents also don't have.

RadicalModerate said:
Hmmm, then why do countries with universal health care coverage pay so much less for health care and yet have very high standards of care? Must be the liberal media's fault...somehow.

Comparison of International Health Care Systems
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This derails the thread. Let's talk about it in the Health Care section of the forum.

samsmart said:
4) The reason why many people use drugs in the first place is because they need mental health care, which is woefully lacking in this country. The mentally ill use illegal drugs because they cannot get the medication and counseling they need to live more fulfilling lives.
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Citation needed.

So if you're against the mentally ill who use illegal drugs and so are on government assistance, perhaps a more efficient means of dealing with this is to instead develop a universal mental health care system.
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Community Mental Health already provides for virtually every level of mental health care a person could need. Your statements on this topic appear unfounded. Your generalizations that most drug users are just mentally ill is ludicrous. Most drug users end up developing symptoms that appear to be mental illness but which resolve with sobriety. Some people experience both mental illness and addiction, but you suggesting that it's mostly just mental illness and that drug abuse is just a manifestation of it is just silly.

5) Most drug users would love to be able to get and keep a job while also being able to do drugs. So legalize recreational drugs, prevent companies from being able to fire people solely because of drug use, and they'll be able to.
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Holy **** are you joking? Jeeeeezus Christ.
 
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samsmart said:
Oh, where to begin...

1) The reason why people can use food stamps to get Ding Dongs is because industrial food companies lobby Democrats and Republicans both, mostly on the platform that the government shouldn't tell people what to eat - even when the government is paying for it.

2) Most food stamp programs aren't for unemployed adults - they're for children. And children need a variety of foodstuffs in order to grow up healthy.

3) A lot of people who are on food stamps aren't unemployed - they're the working poor. And they use food stamps to supplement their food budget, especially if they have children. Because not every job pays a high enough wage to ensure that a worker can pay for the food s/he and his/her family needs.

4) The reason why many people use drugs in the first place is because they need mental health care, which is woefully lacking in this country. The mentally ill use illegal drugs because they cannot get the medication and counseling they need to live more fulfilling lives. So if you're against the mentally ill who use illegal drugs and so are on government assistance, perhaps a more efficient means of dealing with this is to instead develop a universal mental health care system.

5) Most drug users would love to be able to get and keep a job while also being able to do drugs. So legalize recreational drugs, prevent companies from being able to fire people solely because of drug use, and they'll be able to.

6) Government officials using illegal drugs are much more dangerous and costly to society than average people using illegal drugs. So let's start making drug tests for government officials first.

7) I'm sure that the break up of children from their families just so they can have shelter in a military-style barracks won't be traumatic at all to their kids, especially when their parents are foreclosed on because of the actions of banks rather than any wrongdoing they themselves did.

8) So a video game console and plasma screen tv will be inventoried. Doesn't mean you get to take that away. Especially since the Constitution says that citizens are free from unreasonable search and seizure.

9) Just because I can afford a video game console or a plasma screen tv does not mean I can afford a lengthy mortgage on a house, especially when the real estate developers will only build houses that the working poor are required to take out predatory loans to get.

10) Why would I need to paycheck stub to report to government housing? These working poor wouldn't need government housing at all if businesses would pay them greater wages rather than focus that company's pay budget on CEOs and other executives.

11) The reason why the wealthy pay a larger amount in dollars to the "common good" is because they can afford it. And the reason why they can is because the businesses they own or invest in pay lobbyists to write legislation to benefit them and so they can get government contracts. So if the reason why a CEO can afford a luxury car is because he gave a bunch of Congressmen and Senators kickbacks for a no-bid contract, I don't see how it helps to requisition the few entertainments that poor people save and scrimp for. Especially when big businesses are the ones who want them to buy their stuff in our consumer-driven economy.

12) "If you want our money, then obey our rules." This is funny when the rules are being written by mega-billion business interests giving campaign contributions to politicians so they can raid the American economy for their own use. Plenty of people are willing to work hard for a good wage. The only problem is that none of the big businesses want to pay that good wage. So why should I follow rules designed to keep those who are wealthy and those who are poor in those positions instead of in a regulated economy that ensures free markets by allowing new competition to emerge?

13) "If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system rewards them for continuing to make bad choices." Might want to tell that to the Wall Street banks and financial institutions who spent millions so Congress could write the current system for that. Which actually rewards the bad choices of those huge financial firms, not the poor. Since the poor have been foreclosed upon but those corporate executives haven't been put on trial for ruining the economy.

14) If anyone who is on the government dole is ineligible to vote, then so should the executives of companies that make bids for government contracts. And the managers of those businesses. And the employees. And the stockholders. Because taking government money is just as much of a conflict of interest to them.

15) There's a ton of people who would have jobs if less money went to Congressional kickbacks and CEOs bonuses for industries that ruin the economy and went more to hiring workers for a wage they can live on.

And considering that the writer is 21-years-old she doesn't have the experience needed for the job market nowadays, and even if she got one she's a female and so would get paid less. And Texas isn't known for doing things for that.
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Why isn't there a "I agree 100% with this NP"? Is it because he made a logical argument?
 
Navy Pride said:
I guess that is where you and I differ I would take almost any job to support my family.
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Problem is, not every job WILL support one's family. THAT'S the point.
 
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