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Are republican moderates becoming an endangered species?

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A moderate politician I always thought was a politician that more or less could agree with some left veiws while remaining loyal to the right wing party.

However I don't see too much of that today.
Republican, Libertarian , Tea party are drifting futher and further to the right

Now some may think well, what about left wing or Democratic party moderates.

That's easy, the Democratic party did vote to extend tax cuts for the rich a right wing proposal,
Also more than a few Democratics voted with Republicans for the bailout of certain corporations.
Then there's the Iraq invasion .
A lot of Democrats went with Republicans on more than one issue.

However, Democrats ask for alternitive fuel; Republicans say not pausible
Democrats say how about global warming; Republicans say you mean CLIMATE CHANGE
Democrats ask for a job plan; Republicans say it's not to our standards.:peace

Ladies and Gentlemen I await your comments and veiws on this subject
 
presluc said:
A moderate politician I always thought was a politician that more or less could agree with some left veiws while remaining loyal to the right wing party.

However I don't see too much of that today.
Republican, Libertarian , Tea party are drifting futher and further to the right

Now some may think well, what about left wing or Democratic party moderates.

That's easy, the Democratic party did vote to extend tax cuts for the rich a right wing proposal,
Also more than a few Democratics voted with Republicans for the bailout of certain corporations.
Then there's the Iraq invasion .
A lot of Democrats went with Republicans on more than one issue.

However, Democrats ask for alternitive fuel; Republicans say not pausible
Democrats say how about global warming; Republicans say you mean CLIMATE CHANGE
Democrats ask for a job plan; Republicans say it's not to our standards.:peace

Ladies and Gentlemen I await your comments and veiws on this subject
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The bailouts occurred when both the House and Senate were held in majority by Democrats. There were moderate Republicans who spoke up for doing the bailouts as well (McCain, Bush). But the bailouts were not a particularly Republican issue.

I would say that until the last election, most of the Republicans in the House and Senate were moderate. Now, a lesser percentage of the Republicans in the House are moderate.

If the primaries have taught us anything, it's that while the extreme's may be more extreme, the Republican party contains plenty of moderates. Afterall, Romney's still the front runner. I also think it's interesting that the media tried to say that the "evangelical" South Carolina vote went to Newt, when if the "evangelical" part had been the biggest factor, it would clearly have gone to Santorum. So, the religious right is less of a factor in this election than previously.
 
If you could take a few steps back and see the reactions between the various segments of the Republican party, and the constant reorganization of what it means to be apart of "the establishment GOP" it would be easy to understand that the moderate is still alive and well. Distinct partisanship is on the rise, but both the left and the right continue to have them and their influence is acknowledged by each party. It was not long ago we held the discussion over the so-called Blue Dog Democrats and their influence over the Healthcare bill, and not long after, the impact of many Romney supporters.
 
Republicans and Democrats are almost identical.
 
mpg said:
Republicans and Democrats are almost identical.
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some of the republicans seem to be more opposed to the democrats on the death tax than a libertarian such as you
 
I believe conservative to be limited government, reduction in spending, adherence to the constitution and less taxation. That said the current GOP in my opinion does not really represent what I believe to be conservative except in campaign rhetoric and I feel it actually has been moving to the left.

Both Parties

Grow the government
Spend a lot
Reduce our liberties
Ignore the constitution
Lie to the public
 
TurtleDude said:
some of the republicans seem to be more opposed to the democrats on the death tax than a libertarian such as you
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A fanatic is someone who can't change their mind and won't change the subject.
 
presluc said:
A moderate politician I always thought was a politician that more or less could agree with some left veiws while remaining loyal to the right wing party.

However I don't see too much of that today.
Republican, Libertarian , Tea party are drifting futher and further to the right

Now some may think well, what about left wing or Democratic party moderates.

That's easy, the Democratic party did vote to extend tax cuts for the rich a right wing proposal,
Also more than a few Democratics voted with Republicans for the bailout of certain corporations.
Then there's the Iraq invasion .
A lot of Democrats went with Republicans on more than one issue.

However, Democrats ask for alternitive fuel; Republicans say not pausible
Democrats say how about global warming; Republicans say you mean CLIMATE CHANGE
Democrats ask for a job plan; Republicans say it's not to our standards.:peace

Ladies and Gentlemen I await your comments and veiws on this subject
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Honestly, moderation is exactly what caused the entire problem we're facing right now. It was because of Republicans compromising their principals, which led to the push by government for sub-prime loans. This is what led to our current economic stagnation.

If moderate Republicans are dying out, this can only be good. Some claim this means the Democrats will win, this can only be good too. One of the reason I did not vote for John McCain is because he was so moderate, he would have done nearly the same thing that Obama has done.

The differences is, the Republicans would have been blamed for our current situation, instead of Obama. I would much rather have a Democrap than a RINO, making bad policy. Can you imagine the roar from the left right now, if McCain was in office? They would be SCREAMING about how McCainCare was ruining the industry, businesses were getting waivers from it, the unemployment didn't drop like expected, and the market hasn't recovered.

But because Obama is in office, we can put the blame for bad policy right where it belongs.

No, I would much prefer that we have zero moderate Republicans. Perhaps then, they would actually be worth voting for.
 
GreenvilleGrows said:
The bailouts occurred when both the House and Senate were held in majority by Democrats. There were moderate Republicans who spoke up for doing the bailouts as well (McCain, Bush). But the bailouts were not a particularly Republican issue.

I would say that until the last election, most of the Republicans in the House and Senate were moderate. Now, a lesser percentage of the Republicans in the House are moderate.

If the primaries have taught us anything, it's that while the extreme's may be more extreme, the Republican party contains plenty of moderates. Afterall, Romney's still the front runner. I also think it's interesting that the media tried to say that the "evangelical" South Carolina vote went to Newt, when if the "evangelical" part had been the biggest factor, it would clearly have gone to Santorum. So, the religious right is less of a factor in this election than previously.
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It is as you say a lesser % of Republican moderates are in the House.
That would tell me a lesser amount of Republican moderates were nominated by the Republican party.:peace
 
Fiddytree said:
If you could take a few steps back and see the reactions between the various segments of the Republican party, and the constant reorganization of what it means to be apart of "the establishment GOP" it would be easy to understand that the moderate is still alive and well. Distinct partisanship is on the rise, but both the left and the right continue to have them and their influence is acknowledged by each party. It was not long ago we held the discussion over the so-called Blue Dog Democrats and their influence over the Healthcare bill, and not long after, the impact of many Romney supporters.
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Well, one thing "at least I think" we can agree on is the fact that there is more bipartisinship in D.C. today.
In short, neither party wants to negoiate, so if there were more moderates wouldn't we see more things agreed on and less fighting among the two parties.

Also there is the fact that when good things happen each party wants to take credit, when bad things happen neither party wants to take the responsibilty.:peace
 
mpg said:
Republicans and Democrats are almost identical.
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Agreed, both play "the blame game" shuufle and both dance the "not my fault" dance.
Both think only their party makes good decisions:peace
 
marbro said:
I believe conservative to be limited government, reduction in spending, adherence to the constitution and less taxation. That said the current GOP in my opinion does not really represent what I believe to be conservative except in campaign rhetoric and I feel it actually has been moving to the left.

Both Parties

Grow the government
Spend a lot
Reduce our liberties
Ignore the constitution
Lie to the public
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I agree with your post except a small addition.

All hard line political parties are guilty of your statements.:peace
 
presluc said:
Well my friend, that kinda says it all don't it.:peace
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Yeah it does. That was an example of exactly the kind of moderation I'm against. Being moderate, is crap.
 
There are no Republican moderates any more. The battle for the soul of the Party was lost by the moderates in 1980. The Republican Party of today has far more in common with the John Birch Society than with Dwight Eisenhower or any of the party leaders of the 60's and 70's.
 
the current republican party is neoconservatives that ride on reagans reputation,in which reagan was the first of his kind and also the last.reagan was moderate and comprimising and though many people disagree he accomplished alot during his time by being bipartisan.and to be truthfull yes republicans politicians arent moderate,they are more liberal than ever,and democrats are becoming more conservative and both moving towards neoconservatism only differing on key wedge issues like abortion and gay marriage.


conservatives are as strong now as they've ever been,though if history shows us anything its that if the party that represents them stops representing them,they will move on.if republicans continue their trend most of the south and heavy republican states will abandon them and move their support to a party that supports their cause.an example of this is when bush first got into office the libertarian party was almost unheard of except to people who actually followed independant party.now ive seen quite a few conservatives switch libartarian because they were fed up with the republican party under bush.
 
Wiggen said:
There are no Republican moderates any more. The battle for the soul of the Party was lost by the moderates in 1980. The Republican Party of today has far more in common with the John Birch Society than with Dwight Eisenhower or any of the party leaders of the 60's and 70's.
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See, now this is why I join these forums. Before you mentioned it, I had never heard of the John Birch Society. Now that I've looked them up, I may actually have found a group I completely agree with! I'm ecstatic! I greatly appreciate this information. I'll have to look into more detail about what all they believe, but it looks good so far. Best to you sir!

beerftw said:
the current republican party is neoconservatives that ride on reagans reputation,in which reagan was the first of his kind and also the last.reagan was moderate and comprimising and though many people disagree he accomplished alot during his time by being bipartisan.and to be truthfull yes republicans politicians arent moderate,they are more liberal than ever,and democrats are becoming more conservative and both moving towards neoconservatism only differing on key wedge issues like abortion and gay marriage.

conservatives are as strong now as they've ever been,though if history shows us anything its that if the party that represents them stops representing them,they will move on.if republicans continue their trend most of the south and heavy republican states will abandon them and move their support to a party that supports their cause.an example of this is when bush first got into office the libertarian party was almost unheard of except to people who actually followed independant party.now ive seen quite a few conservatives switch libartarian because they were fed up with the republican party under bush.
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Yup, I would have to agree with most of what is said here. For me, the end came with Bob Dole. He was about has left wing as Obama is today. Then they were shocked he failed horribly against Clinton. Well... duh.... The point of having an alternative is to have..... an alternative? Instead they gave me a bad photo copy, and said vote for him!

Worse, when a compromised non-conservative Republican is elected, then what happens is, that compromised non-conservative Republican passes bad leftist socialist policies.

Then those policies fail, what does the public, and specifically the left, do? Well you hear leftist on here screaming about how such and such a policies failed under Bush. Do they say "oh maybe our ideology is a failure? Maybe our policies are bad?" No they never do that. They simply blame Bush because he's a 'Republican'.

Doesn't matter that Bush passed the exact policies they would have supported if anyone else had proposed them. No no no, the reason it didn't work is because of Bush. Take No Child Left Behind. Who wrote that? Ted Kennedy. A huge leftist. Did anyone scream maybe government run schools doesn't work? No. It wasn't that... is was Bush. If Kennedy had been president and pushed that law, the leftists would have been worshiping the ground he walked on no matter what effect the policy had.

Medicare Part D. Government funded pills. In any other situation, the left would have been clamoring for that. But BUSH!!! Bush did it, so it was horrible. But it was over spending! Really? And Medicare hasn't had $60 Billion a year in fraud for over a decade? Well.... yeah but.... BUSH! BUSH BAD!!! BUSH HORRIBLE!

Again, if anyone else had done it, the left would have been slobbering all over themselves to kiss his feet. But because it was Bush, an evil Republican... they screamed.

So yes... Most of the right-wing is pretty fed up with the pathetic wannabe Democrat RINOs that walk around trying to say they are different while supporting the same exact bad policies the left does.
 
Sparkles said:
Yeah it does. That was an example of exactly the kind of moderation I'm against. Being moderate, is crap.
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If we as a nation pull together we move forward, if we pull seperately we don't move.

United we stand divided.... WELL LOOK AROUND.:peace
 
Wiggen said:
There are no Republican moderates any more. The battle for the soul of the Party was lost by the moderates in 1980. The Republican Party of today has far more in common with the John Birch Society than with Dwight Eisenhower or any of the party leaders of the 60's and 70's.
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John Birch Society,= the Tea Party/ Libertarian/Republican party, umm could be, could be.:peace
 
beerftw said:
the current republican party is neoconservatives that ride on reagans reputation,in which reagan was the first of his kind and also the last.reagan was moderate and comprimising and though many people disagree he accomplished alot during his time by being bipartisan.and to be truthfull yes republicans politicians arent moderate,they are more liberal than ever,and democrats are becoming more conservative and both moving towards neoconservatism only differing on key wedge issues like abortion and gay marriage.


conservatives are as strong now as they've ever been,though if history shows us anything its that if the party that represents them stops representing them,they will move on.if republicans continue their trend most of the south and heavy republican states will abandon them and move their support to a party that supports their cause.an example of this is when bush first got into office the libertarian party was almost unheard of except to people who actually followed independant party.now ive seen quite a few conservatives switch libartarian because they were fed up with the republican party under bush.
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Reagan, yeah I remember him and his accomplishments , let's see there was the tricle down theory, his pal Oliver North, and oh yeah he learned how to debate and critisize useing the word "WELL?" a lot, then there's the all to popular Reganomics which is like saying if you got power and money you are important if not come back when you have some if not don't waste my time.:peace
 
Sparkles said:
See, now this is why I join these forums. Before you mentioned it, I had never heard of the John Birch Society. Now that I've looked them up, I may actually have found a group I completely agree with! I'm ecstatic! I greatly appreciate this information. I'll have to look into more detail about what all they believe, but it looks good so far. Best to you sir!



Yup, I would have to agree with most of what is said here. For me, the end came with Bob Dole. He was about has left wing as Obama is today. Then they were shocked he failed horribly against Clinton. Well... duh.... The point of having an alternative is to have..... an alternative? Instead they gave me a bad photo copy, and said vote for him!

Worse, when a compromised non-conservative Republican is elected, then what happens is, that compromised non-conservative Republican passes bad leftist socialist policies.

Then those policies fail, what does the public, and specifically the left, do? Well you hear leftist on here screaming about how such and such a policies failed under Bush. Do they say "oh maybe our ideology is a failure? Maybe our policies are bad?" No they never do that. They simply blame Bush because he's a 'Republican'.

Doesn't matter that Bush passed the exact policies they would have supported if anyone else had proposed them. No no no, the reason it didn't work is because of Bush. Take No Child Left Behind. Who wrote that? Ted Kennedy. A huge leftist. Did anyone scream maybe government run schools doesn't work? No. It wasn't that... is was Bush. If Kennedy had been president and pushed that law, the leftists would have been worshiping the ground he walked on no matter what effect the policy had.

Medicare Part D. Government funded pills. In any other situation, the left would have been clamoring for that. But BUSH!!! Bush did it, so it was horrible. But it was over spending! Really? And Medicare hasn't had $60 Billion a year in fraud for over a decade? Well.... yeah but.... BUSH! BUSH BAD!!! BUSH HORRIBLE!

Again, if anyone else had done it, the left would have been slobbering all over themselves to kiss his feet. But because it was Bush, an evil Republican... they screamed.

So yes... Most of the right-wing is pretty fed up with the pathetic wannabe Democrat RINOs that walk around trying to say they are different while supporting the same exact bad policies the left does.
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Hope you don't mind me responding to this post.

Just one second there rightwinger,in answer to your post being a typical Republican and stateing that you agree with the John Birch society and what they stand for is disagreeing with the majority of the American people that's fact.

Second of all Clinton left office Surplus, Bush left office DEBT.

As for "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND" it was introduced by Bush.
Perhaps if Kennedy had been president it would have worked Bush was president it didn't.

So far I've heard the right wing call Bush a leftist, a neocon and back to Republican.
Just out of curiosity how does Bush a Republican get to be a neocon?
What he ducks in a men's room to change, maybe a telephone booth?
As far as being a leftist, LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL!!!

I can not speak for others but I question any bad policy or mistake a president makes.
Carter I questioned his weakness not only during the Iran Chrises but the price of gas
Clinton NAFTA??? FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS these were bad ideas I questioned them and others right and left.

Bottom line in 2000 America had a surplus Bush took office 8 yrs later America is 3 trillion in debt, we had iou's to a dozen differant countries including a leftist country named China, we were at war with two nations and the corporations had their hand out 3 months before he leaves.
Leaving America broke with nothing to look foward to but budget cuts, less exports, less tax revenue, and printing more money.
Bush bad, DAMN RIGHT,if it would have been Clinton or Kennedy you would have the same response.in fact if Obama doesn't do something possitive soon it's gonna be OBAMA BAD.

As for the Democtratic Rhinos???

I'd hardly call this Democratic administration RHINOS, maybe lame ass spineless chicken, maybe not that cause some chickens fight.
The Republican. the Libertarian and the Tea Party has been using the Democrats including Obama has a punching bag with no response.

However I belong to neither right or left I am an Independent so my responses to the right wing may have more of a kick than old Obama's administration saying lets try to be nice. Which is ok but after awhile you gotta stop trying to be nice and get mean.
One can only turn two cheaks after that?:peace
 
presluc said:
then there's the all to popular Reganomics which is like saying if you got power and money you are important if not come back when you have some if not don't waste my time.:peace
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Yeah, only people like Monty Burns benefit when the inflation rate goes from double digits down to almost nothin, and unemployment drops to 5%, GDP takes off like a rocket, and median household income goes up. You have to be a robber baron to want those things.
 
presluc said:
Reagan, yeah I remember him and his accomplishments , let's see there was the tricle down theory, his pal Oliver North, and oh yeah he learned how to debate and critisize useing the word "WELL?" a lot, then there's the all to popular Reganomics which is like saying if you got power and money you are important if not come back when you have some if not don't waste my time.:peace
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i think all you effectively did was bash reagonomics,though flawed please show me where job growth and inflation % are better today than they were under reaganomics.
 
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