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How Republicans Screwed the Pooch

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Kinda looks like the republican talaban has taken over the grand old party and were headin for banana republic status at warp speed.:(

<There it sits, lonely and forlorn on my shelf. A leather-bound copy of the 1999 Budget of the United States of America. >

<The surpluses were so strong that deep into the future—in 2009—the entire national debt was going to be zero >

Then along came George the second.

<In full possession of the federal government for the first time since Eisenhower, the GOP—with, to be fair, some help from some very foolish Democrats—systematically dismantled the economic and fiscal policies that produced the strongest economy and largest budget surplus in our history. >

<cut taxes (with a heavy tilt toward the rich), waged two wars on the national credit card (one of which was against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and posed no serious threat to America), passed a prescription drug benefit with no pay-for (the first entitlement in American history without a revenue source), and deregulated Wall Street >

in conclusion

<As the economy teeters on the precipice of a double-dip recession, as millions of Americans search in vain for a job, as tens of millions of homeowners are underwater, as poverty soars and the middle class is hammered, the Speaker of the House is pushing a proposal that—let me repeat Greenstein's analysis—“could well produce the greatest increase in poverty and hardship in modern U.S. history.” >

Read more here.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/29/republicans-on-the-debt-ceiling-screwing-over-america.html?om_rid=NXa0v$&om_mid=_BONAKsB8chDdsU
 
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Unfortunately this new breed of young greedsters are apart of the republican party....the two need to be separated. Theres the Republican Party and theres the new Teaparty scum...The republican party is letting a handful run roughshod over them out of fear...fear of not knowing were the chips will fall.

Personally I hope theres no agreement on the debt ceiling and Social Security checks dont go out...and dont go out for a month or more...then when utili bills dont get paid...when credit cards stop getting paid...when the reality of what the Teaparty Stands for and wants to do sinks in...it will be the beginning of a fast descent for the teaparty brats...
 
Personally I hope theres no agreement on the debt ceiling and Social Security checks dont go out...and dont go out for a month or more...then when utili bills dont get paid...when credit cards stop getting paid...when the reality of what the Teaparty Stands for and wants to do sinks in...it will be the beginning of a fast descent for the teaparty brats...

I agree that I hope there's no agreement. The SS checks will still go out. The Medicare payments will go out. In reality, very little of consequence will change. My hope is that what WILL happen is that when everyone suddenly realizes that nothing has changed, the real Conservatives will bring forth a repeat of April 19, 1775 or April 12, 1861. THAT is what's going to be necessary to make any meaningful change in this country.... blood, bullets, blades, and bombs.
 
I feel sorry for the Libbos, right now. Liberalism fell on it's face, was totally rejected by the American people and now they're working sooooo hard to blame it all on the Republicans.
 
I feel sorry for the Libbos, right now. Liberalism fell on it's face, was totally rejected by the American people and now they're working sooooo hard to blame it all on the Republicans.

Dude?? You really think you won anything last election?? Why did boner have such a hard time getting his budget passed?? Why did so many republicans votes against it?? You all didn't win anything.. You lost to the tea party..

I wouldn't worry about liberals.. I would worry about the tea party.. They are the ones driving your party off a cliff right now..
 
I feel sorry for the Libbos, right now. Liberalism fell on it's face, was totally rejected by the American people and now they're working sooooo hard to blame it all on the Republicans.

This mess we are in was a bi-partisan effort that took many years. Though it is unsettling that the republicans seem to be willing to drive the country off a cliff rather then compromise on anything. The democrats have given them nearly everything they want, and they still say no.
 
Dude?? You really think you won anything last election?? Why did boner have such a hard time getting his budget passed?? Why did so many republicans votes against it?? You all didn't win anything.. You lost to the tea party..

I wouldn't worry about liberals.. I would worry about the tea party.. They are the ones driving your party off a cliff right now..

You are absolutely correct that the Republican Party lost the 2010 election as much as the Democrats did. That's because both parties are essentially the same party. They're both full of Liberal-Socialist hacks who are interested in nothing more than maintaining their power instead of doing what is in the best interest of this nation and its citizenry. The Tea Party movement is hopefully only the first step in the Right-thinking, Right Wing American Citizenry taking this country back after a century and a half of constant abuse of this nation by members of both political parties, starting with Abraham Lincoln (R) and continuing unbroken right through to the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, who is a Democrat.
 
I feel sorry for the Libbos, right now. Liberalism fell on it's face, was totally rejected by the American people and now they're working sooooo hard to blame it all on the Republicans.
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Not sure if it's liberalism but it sure is the Obama Administrations economic plan... total face plant failure. Not sure how he can, with a straight face, run on any economic success. His Health Care bill is a failure with exceptions handed out, the CBO claiming the costs are higher than anyone thought, his stimulus he borrowed from Bush was a failure, TALF, and the rest. His plan to help foreclosures for people was a debacle, cash for clunkers clunked... the economy in 1Q 2011? Under 1% growth (re-adjusted), and he has no plan and provided no plan to the Democrats of what he stands for to avoid a default on our debts. Nada... zip. He's like the ghost President. You don't know what he's for from one speech to another. First he says he's for it, then he's against it but when he's asked about a clarification he gives a 20 minute dissertation on something else, and plays like he answered.

He's really good a "rope a dope" and the media and Democrats and Progressives are the biggest dopes of all for continuing to support this sham artist.
 
This mess we are in was a bi-partisan effort that took many years. Though it is unsettling that the republicans seem to be willing to drive the country off a cliff rather then compromise on anything. The democrats have given them nearly everything they want, and they still say no.
they say no because they know that Democrats will never commit to the spending cuts.
 
I feel sorry for the Libbos, right now. Liberalism fell on it's face, was totally rejected by the American people and now they're working sooooo hard to blame it all on the Republicans.

my favorite is when they try desperately to link Obamacare to Mitt Romney and the Heritage Foundation. It's not our fault! Romney Made Us Do It! :lol:
 
You read some of the last few posts and I thought I was in the thread about the Dems..... back to the topic...

What we are witnessing is the complete abrogation of any responsibility to honestly participate in the act of governing in favor of a complete and total commitment to advance ones political objectives in the person of the Republican party. They pretty much announced this from Day One and that has been their MO ever since. I cannot imagine any Congressional leader announcing to the world that they intended to see the new President fail back in the Fifties or Sixties or Seventies or Eighties when presidents from either party were sworn in. It simply would not have been done since the people expected them to do the right thing for the nation which mean putting aside your most partisan of objectives - at least publicly.

We are in a new and terrible political age where right wing ideology and the legions who subscribe to it have fouled the waters and the rest of us cannot drink.
 
We are in a new and terrible political age where right wing ideology and the legions who subscribe to it have fouled the waters and the rest of us cannot drink.

It's a Scorched Earth policy, haymarket. You folks on the left have spent 150 years burning down every institution in this country that those of us who are Conservatives have believed in, now it's your turn to reap what you've sown. The difference is that the institution you folks are seeing burned down is the Federal Government.
 
It's a Scorched Earth policy, haymarket. You folks on the left have spent 150 years burning down every institution in this country that those of us who are Conservatives have believed in, now it's your turn to reap what you've sown. The difference is that the institution you folks are seeing burned down is the Federal Government.

And which institutions have we spent 150 years burning down? Slavery? White power? Women as little better than farm animals? The ability to exploit child labor?
 
And which institutions have we spent 150 years burning down? Slavery? White power? Women as little better than farm animals? The ability to exploit child labor?

How about these.... Relgion, Traditional Family Values, Gender Roles, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, American Exceptionalism, Morality, Personal Responsibility, American Independence, and Justice; just to name a few things we do not have as fully now as we did in 1860.
 
the list of things progressives have burnt to the ground over the last 150 years

Relgion - the last time I looked, religion and faith were going strong

Traditional Family Values - be specific - I have done my best to keep them and pass them onto my children so I do not know what you are talking about

Gender Roles - men are men and women are women and people have the right to define their own roles for themselves..... and you find that wrong because?????

The Right to Keep and Bear Arms - seems strong to me

American Exceptionalism - which means what to you?

Morality - to the contrary - people today are questioning immoral things like war and violence and injustice

Personal Responsibility - hey, I am all for it

American Independence - if by independence you mean America standing and doing what it thinks is right it is the left that speaks out most loudly against international corporatism

Justice; - you dare to say that jusice was better years ago when lynchings were fairly commonplace and people were denied attorneys when accused of crimes!??!?!?!


Sorry, but reality says otherwise and you failed to explain some of what you list.
 
Relgion - the last time I looked, religion and faith were going strong

Within very specific and defined limitations which have become more and more ridiculously codified over the last century.

Traditional Family Values - be specific - I have done my best to keep them and pass them onto my children so I do not know what you are talking about

Discipline, the Rights of Parents to choose what their children should be taught, the very idea of the Nuclear Family as the proper environment for raising children, etc... You may have done your best to instill them in your kids, but society and the government continue doing everything possible to destroy them.

Gender Roles - men are men and women are women and people have the right to define their own roles for themselves..... and you find that wrong because?????

I find that wrong because we do not have the right to define what Men and women are for ourselves. Those things were defined for us when we were created as two different genders. If we were meant to be the same we would have been created as a single gender species that reproduces by some other means.

The Right to Keep and Bear Arms - seems strong to me

Come up here to Massachusetts or out to California and try to purchase any of a number of common firearms. Go to Illinois or Wisconsin and try to get a permit to carry a concealed weapon. The RTKBA is under attack on a daily basis across this country.

American Exceptionalism - which means what to you?

Which means AMERICA FIRST, AMERICA ONLY. It's the ideal that we are (or should be) doing things the right way here, and anyone who doesn't like that can go piss up a rope because we don't give a care what Europe, Africa, Asia, or even Canada think about how we do things.

Morality - to the contrary - people today are questioning immoral things like war and violence and injustice

Yep, they're questioning our right to defend ourselves on every level while attempting to force the immoral ideals of feminism, gay rights, international citizenship over American Exceptionalism and a ton of other garbage on us.

Personal Responsibility - hey, I am all for it

Are you sure you could sit there and watch people dying on the streets because the Government no longer rewards them for making the wrong choice in their lives?

American Independence - if by independence you mean America standing and doing what it thinks is right it is the left that speaks out most loudly against international corporatism

By Independence I mean ISOLATIONISM. Nothing in. Nothing out. If you want to leave the US, fine.... it's a one-way ticket. If you want IN, you need to prove you have something to offer this country and realize that there is no going back or having any contact with anyone or anything outside of this country.

Justice; - you dare to say that jusice was better years ago when lynchings were fairly commonplace and people were denied attorneys when accused of crimes!??!?!?!

I said JUSTICE, not legality. Justice will be when someone finds Casey Anthony's body wrapped up in a bag after it's been laying in the woods for months; not her walking around free while her daughter's soul still cries out to punish those who did her wrong. Justice is when we start treating these criminals in our prisons just like what they are.... animals. When you have a mad or rabid animal you PUT IT DOWN.
 
from Tigger on the lefts destruction of 150 years of America

RELIGION: Within very specific and defined limitations which have become more and more ridiculously codified over the last century.

You have shown or demonstrated no erosion of religious rights or freedoms.


Traditional Family Values -
Discipline, the Rights of Parents to choose what their children should be taught,

can you quote me the part of the Consitution with that right in it please?

the very idea of the Nuclear Family as the proper environment for raising children, etc... You may have done your best to instill them in your kids, but society and the government continue doing everything possible to destroy them.

Social pressures are not only from progressives. Conservatives in government have done nothing to help the situation you seem to be decrying but not documenting.

Originally Posted by haymarket
Gender Roles - men are men and women are women and people have the right to define their own roles for themselves..... and you find that wrong because?????

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find that wrong because we do not have the right to define what Men and women are for ourselves. Those things were defined for us when we were created as two different genders. If we were meant to be the same we would have been created as a single gender species that reproduces by some other means.

And who exactly was the one with the power to do that defining for us?

Originally Posted by haymarket
The Right to Keep and Bear Arms - seems strong to me

Come up here to Massachusetts or out to California and try to purchase any of a number of common firearms. Go to Illinois or Wisconsin and try to get a permit to carry a concealed weapon. The RTKBA is under attack on a daily basis across this country.

Can you document this with evidence please? I see no real problem here and you have not shown one beyond these vague pronouncements.


American Exceptionalism -
Which means AMERICA FIRST, AMERICA ONLY. It's the ideal that we are (or should be) doing things the right way here, and anyone who doesn't like that can go piss up a rope because we don't give a care what Europe, Africa, Asia, or even Canada think about how we do things.

And as I told you - it is the forces of the right who seem to embrace international corporatism over America First economics and protecting American jobs, businesses and workers. Your enemies are from within your own philosophy.

Originally Posted by haymarket
Morality - to the contrary - people today are questioning immoral things like war and violence and injustice


Yep, they're questioning our right to defend ourselves on every level while attempting to force the immoral ideals of feminism, gay rights, international citizenship over American Exceptionalism and a ton of other garbage on us.

Again - evidence and proof please. I see nothing of the kind.
Originally Posted by haymarket
Personal Responsibility - hey, I am all for it

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Are you sure you could sit there and watch people dying on the streets because the Government no longer rewards them for making the wrong choice in their lives?

So you have an issue with basic Christian-Judeo values towards our fellows who are not as fortunate? That too is a value America was founded upon. You have hit upon a basic clash in two different values which has nothing at all to do with your charge of liberals destroying America and its values.

Originally Posted by haymarket
American Independence - if by independence you mean America standing and doing what it thinks is right it is the left that speaks out most loudly against international corporatism

the reply
By Independence I mean ISOLATIONISM. Nothing in. Nothing out. If you want to leave the US, fine.... it's a one-way ticket. If you want IN, you need to prove you have something to offer this country and realize that there is no going back or having any contact with anyone or anything outside of this country.

If you meant isolationism then you should have said isolationism instead of Independence. America NEVER operated on the basis you are advocating and we would not be the nation we are today if your way had been in place for the last three centuries. You are proposing a radical and extreme departure from basic American values.

You are not defending American values, rather you are trying to substitute your own for those which have worked for America for our history.

Originally Posted by haymarket
Justice; - you dare to say that jusice was better years ago when lynchings were fairly commonplace and people were denied attorneys when accused of crimes!??!?!?!
I said JUSTICE, not legality. Justice will be when someone finds Casey Anthony's body wrapped up in a bag after it's been laying in the woods for months; not her walking around free while her daughter's soul still cries out to punish those who did her wrong. Justice is when we start treating these criminals in our prisons just like what they are.... animals. When you have a mad or rabid animal you PUT IT DOWN.
 
You are not defending American values, rather you are trying to substitute your own for those which have worked for America for our history.

These are American values as I was taught them by my family. If they are truly not the values this country was founded upon, then this nation has no better a place in society than any foreign nation, and the last hope for humanity to extract itself from the cesspool of history is gone. Assuming you're correct then humanity has no more value on this planet than the cockroach or the virus which caused the Black Plague.
 
These are American values as I was taught them by my family. If they are truly not the values this country was founded upon, then this nation has no better a place in society than any foreign nation, and the last hope for humanity to extract itself from the cesspool of history is gone. Assuming you're correct then humanity has no more value on this planet than the cockroach or the virus which caused the Black Plague.

So what if you were taught what you believe by your family? That and two bucks will get you a cup of coffee.That does not mean that what they taught you were American values.... as we have discovered by examining your musings.

Oh - and I made a mistake in not commenting on your JUSTICE comments

Justice will be when someone finds Casey Anthony's body wrapped up in a bag after it's been laying in the woods for months; not her walking around free while her daughter's soul still cries out to punish those who did her wrong. Justice is when we start treating these criminals in our prisons just like what they are.... animals. When you have a mad or rabid animal you PUT IT DOWN.

No system of justice is or has ever been perfect. If you know of one, I will be happy to look at your evidence of it. Simply because you or even lots of people believe a mistake was made in a case does not negate JUSTICE in other cases. But I suspect you know that on a rational level but are not responding as such.
 
So what if you were taught what you believe by your family? That and two bucks will get you a cup of coffee.That does not mean that what they taught you were American values.... as we have discovered by examining your musings.

Then this country has no value whatsoever and deserves nothing more than to be nuked back into the stone age like every other nation on this planet.


No system of justice is or has ever been perfect. If you know of one, I will be happy to look at your evidence of it. Simply because you or even lots of people believe a mistake was made in a case does not negate JUSTICE in other cases. But I suspect you know that on a rational level but are not responding as such.

None are perfect. Many were much closer than what we have now. It's not just one case. It's the entire way the system operates these days. We're more interested in whether someone got read their Miranda Rights (strike one - if you don't know them, screw you) in the proper dialect of Spanish (strike two - This is AMERICA, speak ENGLISH or GTFO) rather than concerning ourselves with whether or not they actually committed the crime of which they have been accused. We're more concerned in making sure some clerk didn't mis-spell the suspect's name or reverse the numbers on an address than in whether the scumbag gets his/her just reward for their actions.
 
How about these.... Relgion, Traditional Family Values, Gender Roles, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, American Exceptionalism, Morality, Personal Responsibility, American Independence, and Justice; just to name a few things we do not have as fully now as we did in 1860.

We have not outlawed religion, and it is still a powerful force in this country, forced gender roles were bull****, you can still buy weapons, America is still the best country out there, we are still an independent nation, our justice system is very strong, we are a hell of a let better off as a country then we where in 1860. In 1860 we were nothing more then a divided country that was rebuilding itself. Today we are the most powerful country in the world, and will still be the most powerful country in the world for some time. Your theory is bunk.
 
We have not outlawed religion, and it is still a powerful force in this country, forced gender roles were bull****, you can still buy weapons, America is still the best country out there, we are still an independent nation, our justice system is very strong, we are a hell of a let better off as a country then we where in 1860. In 1860 we were nothing more then a divided country that was rebuilding itself. Today we are the most powerful country in the world, and will still be the most powerful country in the world for some time. Your theory is bunk.

If that's the way you feel then there really is no point in discussing this with you because we do not have the first bit of common ground on which to have a discussion. Have a nice day.
 
As of this morning, looks like the pooch is screwing the Democrats now. I've taken two sources one left and one right - both agree it seems. Democrats lose, the President loses or at best is neutral. Tea Party hobbits win... just like in the book and movie. It's a good day to be a hobbit.



Tea Party Debt Deal Win Due to Left Wing Void, End of War on Terror - The Daily Beast

FREEDOM EDEN: Krauthammer: Tea Party Wins on Debt Deal
(Excerpt from Fox News - video by Breitbart)

Krauthammer said:
The winner is the Tea Party. They have changed the debate in the country. I think they ought to do what George Aiken advocated in the worst of days of the Vietnam war - declare victory and go home.

There'll be another fight a year from now. Obama is losing it. And I think that's where the big payoff will be. And that's when the country will decide what it wants to do about debt and also about the size of government.
 
Dear sweet baby jesus. Seriously?? Ya know, everybody keeps praising the Clinton budget surplus, talking about how we were going to pay off our debt by the end of the decade....yet nobody has explained why the debt continued to rise at a higher rate than the surplus during the years it existed. During those years nobody fixed SS, Medicaid, or Medicare. Since then, NOBODY has curbed spending. When the dems had control, when the repubs had control...both of 'em created new pork projects, new programs, new departments, new ways to increase spending and borrowing to pay for all of the nifty little pet projects they were working on. And now, when both parties have blood on their hands the majority if you want to sit around hyperbolizing about the evils of the opposition, dreamily stroking their own egos for the regality and responsibility that existed in their own party decades ago, but has long since died off.

If you think that one party is solely responsible for the ups or downs of this country then your head is so far down the rabbit hole you can't tell day from night. This is a bipartisan clusterfeck through and through and to think differently is just idiotic. Clinton wasn't alone in creating a budget that led to surpluses, and Bush wasn't alone in creating programs that increased spending. And Obama isn't alone in the BS that's been going on since the '08 elections that have continued spending policies which cause us to borrow so much money to get through every day.
 
Dear sweet baby jesus. Seriously?? Ya know, everybody keeps praising the Clinton budget surplus, talking about how we were going to pay off our debt by the end of the decade....yet nobody has explained why the debt continued to rise at a higher rate than the surplus during the years it existed.

(the surplus was created by borrowing from Social Security and calling it "revenue")

During those years nobody fixed SS, Medicaid, or Medicare. Since then, NOBODY has curbed spending. When the dems had control, when the repubs had control...both of 'em created new pork projects, new programs, new departments, new ways to increase spending and borrowing to pay for all of the nifty little pet projects they were working on. And now, when both parties have blood on their hands the majority if you want to sit around hyperbolizing about the evils of the opposition, dreamily stroking their own egos for the regality and responsibility that existed in their own party decades ago, but has long since died off.

TRUTH! neither side can be trusted in power. If I may borrow from Thomas Jefferson: "let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the constitution."

Both Parties Suck. Which is why a balanced budget amendment is needed.
 
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