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Poll: Republicans are moving even further to the right

the makeout hobo said:
When the economy started dipping in 2000 or so, landscaping was one of the first things that people cut. Needless to say, he still had to support himself and his three kids. He accepted government aid, I believe with food stamps. He tried to pick up new clients too, or get a job with some other landscaping company, but the middle of a downturn isn't always the best time for that. He didn't stay on them after business picked back up, but they did help him through that hard time. So from my personal experience, your hammock analogy is at least part of the time faulty.
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I bolded the most important issues here, this is exactly at the spirit of the programs, which I don't think anyone could disagree with in theory, I have no problems with a hand up, but unfortunately many times the programs don't have enough accountability and many misuse them as a hand-out, and get fat off of the public dime, that's what many conservatives take issue with.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I bolded the most important issues here, this is exactly at the spirit of the programs, which I don't think anyone could disagree with in theory, I have no problems with a hand up, but unfortunately many times the programs don't have enough accountability and many misuse them as a hand-out, and get fat off of the public dime, that's what many conservatives take issue with.
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I'd be willing to believe that if more conservatives wanted to find ways to reform and monitor these programs, than to push them into the sea, so to speak.
 
the makeout hobo said:
I'd be willing to believe that if more conservatives wanted to find ways to reform and monitor these programs, than to push them into the sea, so to speak.
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That's exactly the way "Contract with America" was supposed to work. In fact, the constitution party which is about where I am aligned and whose members are much more conservative than the GOP concedes that social programs currently in force must be shrunk but it would be economically devastating to eliminate them with no backup plan.
 
LaMidRighter said:
That's exactly the way "Contract with America" was supposed to work. In fact, the constitution party which is about where I am aligned and whose members are much more conservative than the GOP concedes that social programs currently in force must be shrunk but it would be economically devastating to eliminate them with no backup plan.
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Interesting. Have a link to them saying that? I'd love to see it. Also, I would argue that welfare, for instance, is effectively shrunk. There's not much more you can do with it, though some more oversight is needed.
 
LaMidRighter said:
That's exactly the way "Contract with America" was supposed to work. In fact, the constitution party which is about where I am aligned and whose members are much more conservative than the GOP concedes that social programs currently in force must be shrunk but it would be economically devastating to eliminate them with no backup plan.
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I goofed, I gave credit to the constitution party, but meant the constitutionalist party, but both make more sense than either of the current two majors.
 
the makeout hobo said:
Interesting. Have a link to them saying that? I'd love to see it. Also, I would argue that welfare, for instance, is effectively shrunk. There's not much more you can do with it, though some more oversight is needed.
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I used to have a better site, but hopefully this one will suffice, it pretty much states the same mission. Constitutionalist Party Platform - dKosopedia from the site:
The Constitutionalist Party therefore recommends the following:

1. That Welfare be supplied only under the condition that the individual receiving the benefits be enrolled and involved in a state-funded job placement program that will aid the individual in finding a job or educate the individual in a trade skill that is in demand in that area and then help them find a job. Since the goal is to make the individual productive in order to earn their benefits, it would not be counter-productive to allow for those still unable to find a job through this process to continue to receive benefits while enrolled in volunteer programs for charities and other non-profit organizations.

2. To eventually make the job placement system be on a nationwide basis, so that applicants are able to find work anywhere in the United States instead of only being restricted to the opportunities in the state of residence.

3. To eventually have Welfare benefits be treated as a non-interest loan from the government that the recipient would pay back over comfortable periods of time. This is a way the recipient can repay their debt to the taxpayers for the support provided while the individual was doing what was necessary to make themselves self-sufficient again.

4. To encourage private aid to the poor, those who donate to poverty-related charities should receive dollar-for-dollar tax credits for their contributions. The CP opposes giving federal funds to private charities.

5. The federal government involvement in subsidizing businesses and attempting to manipulate the unemployment of America through economic redistribution only creates more problems than it solves, and the CP actively discourages more federal programs that seek to do this.
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I think the ideas can be further refined, and some things like the "loan" aspect can be considered paid in full by the person becoming a tax payer, but the general ideas of the party are pretty solid.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I used to have a better site, but hopefully this one will suffice, it pretty much states the same mission. Constitutionalist Party Platform - dKosopedia from the site: I think the ideas can be further refined, and some things like the "loan" aspect can be considered paid in full by the person becoming a tax payer, but the general ideas of the party are pretty solid.
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What does the conservative crowd here think of that?
 
the makeout hobo said:
What does the conservative crowd here think of that?
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Can't speak for all of them, or any of them really, but I know alot of fellow conservatives in my personal life who feel pretty much the same way.
 
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