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National Popular Vote Inc. is a 501(c)(4) non-profit corporation whose specific purpose is to study, analyze and educate the public regarding its proposal to implement a nationwide popular election of the President of the United States. Should we really let the fate of the next president of the United States be placed in the American voter? Sure, the majority of us here on DP are relatively smart, because we actively search and come to conclusions on our own, but what about the rest of America, who knows very little about the U.S. and don’t even care until Election Day. Take a look, maybe we should very seriously think about this, it could change the way we do business forever…
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Re: Popular Vote?
The people vote for President now in all 50 states and have done so in most states for 200 years.
So, the issue raised by the National Popular Vote legislation is not about whether there will be "mob rule" in presidential elections, but whether the "mob" in a handful of closely divided battleground states, such as Florida, get disproportionate attention from presidential candidates, while the "mobs" of the vast majority of states are ignored. In 2004, candidates spent over two thirds of their visits and two-thirds of their money in just 6 states and 99% of their money in just 16 states, while ignoring the rest of the country. The current system does NOT provide some kind of check on the "mobs." There have been 22,000 electoral votes cast since presidential elections became competitive (in 1796), and only 10 have been cast for someone other than the candidate nominated by the elector's own political party. The electors are dedicated party activists who meet briefly in mid-December to cast their totally predictable votes in accordance with their pre-announced pledges. |
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Re: Popular Vote?
Neither of the two most important features of the current system of electing the President (namely, that the voters may vote and the winner-take-all rule) are in the U.S. Constitution. Neither was the choice of the Founders when they went back to their states to organize the nation's first presidential election.
In 1789, in the nation's first election, the people had no vote for President in most states, it was necessary to own a substantial amount of property in order to vote, and only 3 states used the winner-take-all rule (awarding all of a state's electoral vote to the candidate who gets the most votes in the state). Since then, as a result of changes in state laws, the people have the right to vote for presidential electors in 100% of the states, there are no property requirements for voting in any state, and the winner-take-all rule is used by 48 of the 50 states. see National Popular Vote -- Electoral college reform by direct election of the President |
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Ahh, a great idea, let's give 5-10 areas th say in Presidential elections. Let's ignore the rural areas for the dense Urban areas!
What a FANTASTIC IDEA! You live in a smaller state? Small towns? When this goes in, you'll have NO SAY at all. Oh sure... you can vote, but the politicians... They won't care about you! They'll spend their time and money in: New York City Los Angeles Houston Boston Miami San Fransisco San Diego Dallas Philadelphia That's where the votes are, that's where the money will go, that's where their cares and concerns are. So let's hear it for CITY VOTING! Dis-enfranchisement of anyone dumb enough not to live in a high-density population areas! |
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You know, of course, that no federal law can force states to award their electors by proportion according to the popular vote, right?
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Re: Popular Vote?
What about the rate of return? If I advertise widget x in Dallas and it sells vs. NYC and it doesn't sell in NYC why should I have to pay more for NYC?
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