mikeey

Over the past eight years, in the name of reviving Russia after the tumult of the 1990s, Mr. Putin has waged an unforgiving campaign to clamp down on democracy and extend control over the government and large swaths of the economy. He has suppressed the independent news media, nationalized important industries, smothered the political opposition and readily deployed the security services to carry out the Kremlin’s wishes.

Kim u can go the same way as Mr Putin,would u like that.I hope not, is this
what u are suggesting haha.A tae Fook no way.

It is ok m8 only kidding.
merry christmas to U

mikeey

MrVicchio

Uhm, you spend a million bucks to advertise.

You do that in rural Nebraska... you might reach 250k people.

Same in NYC might reach 5 million.

You hold a rally in Rural Nebraska, you might get 1000 people

Do that in NYC, you get 10,000.

Where are you going to find the most homogeneous groups of people with the same concerns, needs and wants?

Rural America, or packed cities.

DING DING DING! Cities. It's cheaper to market to 10 million people in one area then it is to cater to 1 million people spread out.

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Reverend_Hellh0und

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. " -Benjamin Franklin



The electoral college provides for these individual states to have equal say in presidential elections.

We are 50 individual states.

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TheNextEra

Those 50 states do NOT have equal say in the presidential election. Equal say would mean that each state gets equal electorals. Since they don't, they don't get equal say.

MrVicchio

Yeah, actually they do. How do they not? Because you say so?

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Bodhisattva

ummm... he just told you how they didn't have equal say.
Unless, that is, you think CA's 55 votes equals NV's 4 votes?

Also, this whole, "the candidates won't care about rural hick NB" stuff is wrong.

In CA:
Democratic / 7,683,495 / 44.40%

Republican / 5,428,052 / 31.37%

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ror/...-08/county.pdf

So a politician spends more time in CA than in AL. So what? Those in smaller states are still going to hear what the candidate has to say about issues. I lived in CA for a long time and not once did Presidents comments make me worry or concerned over what was going to happen in CA more than what would happen to the US.

As it stands in CA, my vote counts for nothing being a Republican. I get trounced.
Take it the other way. Republicans don't spend too much time campaigning CA as much, since they will lose it. What is the difference between that and small states being ignored? Nothing, expect that small states have small populations, so actually, LESS people are being ignored that way.

If there was a popular vote... my vote would actually count towards the Presidency, instead of only counting to the EC and then getting dumped in the garbage can in favor of giving the state to the Libs.

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MrVicchio

Yeah know, if you go back and read the Founders reasons for having an electoral collage Vs a popular vote, you might just see how wrong you are.

You miss the bigger picture, it's a small minded POV to take the "Well I'm a so and so member, and my state generally goes the other way so my vote doesn't count..." line of thought.

So what if a politician spends more time in CA then AL? Hello, do you realize they would spend far more time appealing to city dwellers vs rural, that right there should be a huge clue as to why the EC is good. The point of the EC is to keep the focus of our leaders spread across the political spectrum, not focused on a single voter block.

If I were running for President, and it was a popular vote, I'd spend most of my time and effort in the cities, appealing to what they need and desire. More people live in cities, it's cheaper to get my message out, far easier to appeal to such dense areas where more people have the same concern then it would be to spend time out in the small counties, out in the rural areas.

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rathi

The electoral college vs the popular vote is really a matter of picking your poison. Politicians will always cheerfully prostitute themselves to pick up votes, and ignore the rest of the country in the process. The real choice is whether they ignore the majority of the populace or the minority. Personally, I'd go for the popular vote, because having politicians ignore the entire damned populations of Texas and California is slightly worse than ignoring the rural folks of the country. Also, it would dramatically improve voter turnout and civic involvement if everyone knew their vote counted. Finally, it would make it possible to allow for new voter systems like instant runoff, which could actually allow third party voting. The electoral college was a practical idea when it was first put into in action, but it has outlived its usefulness and its time to move on to something better.

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Bodhisattva

I am "wrong" about nothing here...
The Founders opinions on this aren't any more valid than mine, to be honest.


Actually, what I am doing is looking at the LARGER POINT OF VIEW...
You just aren't recognizing it for some reason.


That is what they are doing now, just with states...
AND that is what I have been saying. Thanks.


And that is what they do with Large states versus small states...

Really and truly... popular vote is far more logical.

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Bodhisattva

Exactly right. Perfectly said.

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