JMak

Lied as in the dictionary definition of lied or lied as in the justification presented for this war were wrong?

And this demonstrates what?

Please explain why, if Bush wanted to invade Iraq before he took office, Bush then waited until early 2003 to do so? Not only that, but why did Bush then wait nearly 18 months after 9/11 to do so?

Gee, I guess this impulse to implement formal US foreign policy really wasn't all that important.

I mean, if the impulse to invade Iraq was so significant for Bush why bother with Congress and the UN? Why go through all the trouble of fabricating intelligence and doing so in such a way that the intelligence would say exactly what it did pre-Bush? Why go through the trouble of spending most of 2002 making the case for war?

Bush could have just assassinated Hussein. He didn't. He could have order the military to invade without congressional authority. He didn't. He could have gotten congressional authority and then invaded without appealing to the UN to pass the 16th, yes, the 16th resolution to gain Iraqi compliance. He didn't.

So, um, this impulse to invade Iraq before taking office...really quite f'ing irrelevant.

Try again.

BlueKC

I was under the impression that the official United States stance is that we do not assassinate. I thought that we actually condemned the policy of "targeted killing" or assassination used by Israel. Also, such use of force, at least the way it has been used, would have been a massive constitutional stretch.

Congress is expressly given the power "To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water"

Its pretty obvious that the framers intent was not to give the President authority to send troops into a foreign country, collapse their government, and attempt to create a new one over the course of 7 years without Congressional approval.

the makeout hobo

Got it, thanks. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

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conquer

Something that is amazing and abused by politicians is the extraordinary amnesia of the masses. If she wants to run for president or VP whatever she says today won't overcome her new words four years from now.

JMak

I don't know. That doesn't mean that there are not exceptions to US policy. My understanding is that the President may order such an assassination but only after informing congressional leaders.

So?

Our recent national history sees a very clear shift from formal declarations of was to Congress granting the President the authority to utilize the nation's armed forces. It's still a legislative check on executive authority which is what the declaration clause was intended to be.

However, in this case, the Congress did grant the President this authority.

Or are you one of these types that argues that a resolution granting the President the authority to use military force really didn't intend the use of military force?

winston53660

Since 1976, every U.S. president has upheld Ford's prohibition on assassinations. In 1978 President Carter issued an executive order with the chief purpose of reshaping the intelligence structure. In Section 2-305 of that order, Carter reaffirmed the U.S. prohibition on assassination.

CNN.com - U.S. policy on assassinations - Nov. 4, 2002

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