Analysis: Palin gets back on track, but Biden wins debate

cascadian · 10-03-08, 03:54 PM

Maybe my cynical characterization of the American people was off-track:

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Only 26 percent of those surveyed said that Palin was more intelligent in the debate compared to the 57 percent who chose Biden, according to the poll of 611 adult Americans, who tuned in to watch it. The poll had a sampling error of 4 points. Watch the world's reaction to the Biden-Palin battle »

Overall, 51 percent of the debate watchers said that Biden did the best job in the debate, while 36 percent gave the nod to Palin

Analysis: Palin gets back on track, but Biden wins debate - CNN.com

I guess I will person-up and admit I was wrong. Perhaps with the sting of the economy, people weren't in the mood for a feel-good message and warm smiles.

disneydude · 10-03-08, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cascadian

Maybe my cynical characterization of the American people was off-track:

Analysis: Palin gets back on track, but Biden wins debate - CNN.com

I guess I will person-up and admit I was wrong. Perhaps with the sting of the economy, people weren't in the mood for a feel-good message and warm smiles.

It simply shows that the American people saw through the "folksy" B.S. and were actually looking for intelligent answers.

The American people saw through Palin's sidesteps and inability to answer a direction question.

After 8 years of GWB and his unaccountability and refusal to take responsibility, the American people are looking for a leader who actually can address the issues facing us.

For all their talk about "straight talk", Palin talked in circles.

JMak · 10-03-08, 04:00 PM

What a curious idea that we could guage an individual's intelligence from that "debate." At best we could probably render some judgment on political intelligence. But even then, we're talking about politicians attempting to explain to us why they or their running mate is a superior choice.

As well, it's a curious idea given some of the questions asked. For example:

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OK, our time is up here. We've got to move to the next question. Senator Biden, we want to talk about taxes, let's talk about taxes. You proposed raising taxes on people who earn over $250,000 a year. The question for you is, why is that not class warfare and the same question for you, Governor Palin, is you have proposed a tax employer health benefits which some studies say would actually throw five million more people onto the roles of the uninsured. I want to know why that isn't taking things out on the poor, starting with you, Senator Biden.

I mean, come on...why are you picking on the rich and why are you picking on the poor? That's the best that this moderator, who had a clear conflict of interest here, could come up with regarding charges of class warfare?

And it's questions like these that viewers are then able to judge intelligence by the candidate's responses?

Frolicking Dinosaurs · 10-03-08, 04:02 PM

I believe that Americans have finally realized that the negative ads are not truthful, that voting for the best person for the job is more important than voting for the guy or girl you'd like to have a beer with and that intelligence does matter. If I'm right, McCain-Palin are toast and president Obama will be sworn in come January.

JMak · 10-03-08, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by disneydude

It simply shows that the American people saw through the "folksy" B.S. and were actually looking for intelligent answers.

Then they should be absolutely disappointed then. It's funny how you and 9/11 Pilot ignore the fact that Biden lied, dissembled, and fabricated so you can argue he was more intelligent.

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The American people saw through Palin's sidesteps and inability to answer a direction question.

Then why didn't they see through Biden's lying, dissembling, and fabrications?

Perhaps their judgment shouldn't be given much weight, eh?

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After 8 years of GWB and his unaccountability and refusal to take responsibility,

Unaccountability? Unlike Barney Frank and the rest of the Democrats who protected failing institutions like Fannie and Freddie and ultimately caused this economic crisis, Bush hasn't blamed anyone else. He's admitted mistakes. He's subjected his detainee treatment and ajudication process to legislative and judicial review and adhered to those legislative actions and judicial rulings (DTA, MCA, etc).

So wtf are oyu lying about?

JMak · 10-03-08, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs

I believe that Americans have finally realized that the negative ads are not truthful, that voting for the best person for the job is more important than voting for the guy or girl you'd like to have a beer with and that intelligence does matter. If I'm right, McCain-Palin are toast and president Obama will be sworn in come January.

Oh? So Obama's negative ads are truthful? It's funny how you people simply won't believe that Obama can be dishonest or deceitful...

As for intelligence, seriously, how come a guy with Obama's supposed intellectual superiority continue flip-flopping on issues on wiretapping and immunity for the telco's, NAFTA, Iraqi withdrawal, repealing tax cuts, etc.? Why is that Obama continues blaming staffers for mischaracterizing his position on all sorts of issues. I mean, you'd think that the One would have no trouble determining his positions and communicating those positions.

I mean, really...why would the supposed intellectual superior here tell us that American aviators are "airrading villages" in Afghanistan?

I think what this demonstrates is that you guys are engaged in something Hillary described as a willful suspension of disbelief.

SouthernDemocrat · 10-03-08, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs

I believe that Americans have finally realized that the negative ads are not truthful, that voting for the best person for the job is more important than voting for the guy or girl you'd like to have a beer with and that intelligence does matter. If I'm right, McCain-Palin are toast and president Obama will be sworn in come January.

The problem that McCain and Palin have is that they have shown themselves to be more dishonest than the average politician. Thus, they have no credibility outside of their own party anymore.

All politicians stretch the truth. They all do that. No politician runs a negative ad or gets through a debate without throwing some flags on fact checker. Their problem is the shear degree to which they have been caught lying. I think the Bridge To Nowhere lie on the part of Palin that she told time and time and time again after it was shown to be a complete fabrication on her part, and that ad they rain against Obama portraying him as a sick pervert that supported teaching sex ed to kindergartners basically put them in the habitual liar camp with most Americans.

Of course the cons are going to disagree, but I have the polls on my side so who cares.

jallman · 10-03-08, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JMak

Then they should be absolutely disappointed then. It's funny how you and 9/11 Pilot ignore the fact that Biden lied, dissembled, and fabricated so you can argue he was more intelligent.

Then why didn't they see through Biden's lying, dissembling, and fabrications?

Perhaps their judgment shouldn't be given much weight, eh?

Unaccountability? Unlike Barney Frank and the rest of the Democrats who protected failing institutions like Fannie and Freddie and ultimately caused this economic crisis, Bush hasn't blamed anyone else. He's admitted mistakes. He's subjected his detainee treatment and ajudication process to legislative and judicial review and adhered to those legislative actions and judicial rulings (DTA, MCA, etc).

So wtf are oyu lying about?

You make excellent points but they are lost in the din of disney's partisan drum beat.

Obama/Biden could take a crap in disney's mouth and the boy would tell you it was chocolate to keep from admitting he just got shat on by his Almighty.

You waste your time pointing out facts, my friend.

Panther · 10-03-08, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat

The problem that McCain and Palin have is that they have shown themselves to be more dishonest than the average politician. Thus, they have no credibility outside of their own party anymore.

All politicians stretch the truth. They all do that. No politician runs a negative ad or gets through a debate without throwing some flags on fact checker. Their problem is the shear degree to which they have been caught lying. I think the Bridge To Nowhere lie on the part of Palin that she told time and time and time again after it was shown to be a complete fabrication on her part, and that ad they rain against Obama portraying him as a sick pervert that supported teaching sex ed to kindergartners basically put them in the habitual liar camp with most Americans.

Of course the cons are going to disagree, but I have the polls on my side so who cares.

Translation: I don't care if my guy lies.

Lerxst · 10-03-08, 07:32 PM

Biden=win
Palin=lose

Two down, two to go.