Biden, doesn't know what the VP does, or the consitution... - Page 5

Lerxst · 10-05-08, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaHurt

Good job, so few words to inflict so much damage. Bravo

P.S. They thank each other for logging in.

So how do you get along in life knowing you will always be relegated to an internet cheer leader? I mean, really. How do you get along living that life?

missypea · 10-05-08, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pilots For 911 Truth

Article I, Section 3, Paragraph 4:

"The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided."

Palin Way Out Of Her Depth.

[ Article I Source: FindLaw. ]

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Originally Posted by Pilots For 911 Truth

To see and hear Biden give a precise practical (day-to-day) and absolutely precisely accurate description of what Article I actually says about the Vice President’s role and then walk into this forum and post something this far into Pluto’s orbit, is beyond mainstream comprehension and a prime example of just what happens when America does get dumb’ed down.

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Originally Posted by Pilots For 911 Truth

Since when did "scholars" trump what the founding fathers have already said, short of scholarly participation in the amending of the Constitution? Since when do we allow the mere mentioning of what a 'scholar' has to say, as trump positive proof that the Constitution got it wrong, or that the founding fathers got it wrong? Since when does a quote form a rag, override what the founding fathers set out to be Constitutional Law?

"To Hell with the country, "Party" is everything".......neocon quote

Great posts btw, Pilot.
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GottaHurt · 10-06-08, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Lerxst

So how do you get along in life knowing you will always be relegated to an internet cheer leader? I mean, really. How do you get along living that life?

Oh no, The Lerxst Whimper® is winding up like Rain Man missing Wapner.

You get all pouty when I thank someone for a great post, awwww, go get your wittle sippy cup and a cool wet washcloth for your forehead.

That Big Bad GottaHurt just won't go away!

JMak · 10-06-08, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pilots For 911 Truth

This is why I fear for the much longer continued existence of my country that I love so much. This level of incongruency with historical fact, is not just wrong - it is downright embarrasing to us all.

Article I, Section 3:

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The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided.

If you want to quibble on semantics, then I'll concede. The Vice-President is not a member of the Senate but he is certainly of the Senate and that is indisputable.

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Watching the debates on television with ears closed is not a good thing. Attempting to listen to the debate on radio, again with ears closed, is equally not a good thing.

Biden did exactly what you claimed he did not do - and - he did it in front of 70 million viewers. A good wax cleaning might help. Biden attacked Cheney (as well he should) for over-extending his Constitutionally recognized authority as Vice President. Executive branch oversight is moot on this question and/or the question that you are incorrectly attempting to imply, here.

Nice ad hominem attack.

First, you're demonstrating that you simply don't understand the genesis of the question. This issue is borne out of Cheney's refusal to respond to an executive branch oversight function.

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Vice President Dick Cheney's office refused to cooperate with an agency that oversees classified documents, then tried to abolish the office when it challenged the actions, House oversight committee Chairman Henry Waxman said.

The National Archives' Information Security Oversight Office is charged by presidential order with ensuring that classified information and documents are properly handled by executive branch agencies.

According to a letter from William Leonard, director of the oversight office, Cheney's office argued it did not meet the definition of an executive branch agency and therefore was exempt.

Second, resisting such an oversight function is not an example of over-extending authority.

Biden responded to Ifill's question by discussing the, in his opinion, lunacy of thinking that the VP's office is not part of the Executive branch. His argument only matters if we're talking about Cheney's resistance to the oversight authority being exercised by an executive branch agency/office.

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The dumb'ing down of America is a real thing - I see it as one of the most dangerous things to our collective freedoms. Those who would dumb themselves down sufficiently to put a many like George W. Bush or John McSame McDeregulation, into the White House after having a massive amount of evidence hit the fan that neither one of them are ready to do what’s right for the country as a whole, is what I call the unmistakable dumb’ing down of Americas voting electorate.

What a load of crap. Wholly reliant on what you and only you think is right. It's a nonsensical argument.

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To see and hear Biden give a precise practical (day-to-day) and absolutely precisely accurate description of what Article I actually says about the Vice President’s role and then walk into this forum and post something this far into Pluto’s orbit, is beyond mainstream comprehension and a prime example of just what happens when America does get dumb’ed down.

Oh?

Funny, you cannot demonstrate how I am wrong. You don't even know/understand the genesis of the question.

But I am an example of dumbing down America.

Liberal confusion...check!

JMak · 10-06-08, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lerxst

It was lowered to this standard the day a bunch of folks on the right started dismissing Obama's Harvard law degree, his decade plus experience as a constitutional law professor, and his 6 years in the Illinois state (where his constituents numbered over 700,000),

Oh? Didn't this also happene when Bush was running for President? Didn't the left discount his Yale degree? No? I was draming when this happened?

WRT the con law professorship...that's rich. Here's a Harvard-trained lawyer doing a stint as a con law professor at a respected university and yet, amazingly when asked about the Louisiana death penalty case and DC gun ban case Obama says he agrees with the majority in both yet has also said that he'd appoint justices in the mold of those he specifically disagrees with on two major Bill of Rights issues. I don't know how to square that.

And the 6 years of voting "present", color me underwhelmed.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 10-06-08, 01:29 PM

Jmak,

Don't bother with Pilot. He claimed to be a Military Officer, but when challenged asked that his name be removed from DP, took his ball and went home.

Ikari · 10-06-08, 01:31 PM

I wonder how many in office really know the Constitution and the full ramifications of it. Government on the whole seems too happy to move against the chains of the Constitution as of late, I'd be surprised if many in office fully understood the Constitution and the powers it granted to the government.

JMak · 10-06-08, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ikari

I wonder how many in office really know the Constitution and the full ramifications of it. Government on the whole seems too happy to move against the chains of the Constitution as of late, I'd be surprised if many in office fully understood the Constitution and the powers it granted to the government.

I don't think members of Congress are any different than the rest of us. We all try to bend the Constitution to find support for our individual thinking. I see the Constitution primarily as a means for limiting government and that fits with my skepticism of government's ability to do anything very well and fits my political preferences of smaller government.

As well, members of Congress are always trying to expand their scope of authority and it's been this way since the founding as the legislature and executive battle over power...that's the essence of the Constitution and precisely the way it should work. It creates a permanent tension between the branches and that tension is what maintains something like balance.

For example, Congress over the years has created commission after commission that all have one thing in common...to limit the executives authority and perogatives. Congress inserts into every spending bill a provision that provides for legislative line-item veto after the President signs it...despite the SCOTUS explicitly ruling that unconstitutional decades ago. Presidents issue signing statements to communicate what they believe legislation means and indicate if any provisions are unconstitutional encroachments on the Executive.

Not many of us understand what the Constitution means. So we apply our values, principles, preferences and knowledge to gain an understanding.

RightinNYC · 10-07-08, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lerxst

It was lowered to this standard the day a bunch of folks on the right started dismissing Obama's Harvard law degree, his decade plus experience as a constitutional law professor, and his 6 years in the Illinois state (where his constituents numbered over 700,000), and his 2+ years of U.S. senatorial experience in favor of a hockey mom with a 4 year journalism degree, 6 years as a podunk mayor in Tiny Town Alaska (population less than 7,000), and 22 whopping months as governor of a state whose entire population is less than half that of the city of Phoenix (with a lot of that time spent at home as evidenced by her billing of the state for rent on her own house).

Is it just me, or is there something else different betwen Obama and Palin? Oh, yea, they're running for different things.

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Originally Posted by Lightdemon

What is the role of the President of the Senate (Vice President's role), other than to break a tie-vote in the Senate? The only thing that I can find is that they carry out Senate procedures which is outlined in Article one. The Vice President (or President of the Senate) is only there to enforce the procedures of casting votes.

What the hell does a VP do?

Not much unless there's a split senate, in which case it's actually incredibly important.

Lightdemon · 10-07-08, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RightinNYC

Not much unless there's a split senate, in which case it's actually incredibly important.

That's what I don't get. What's the big deal with Cheney claiming that the VP is part of the Legislative branch? It doesn't mean **** anyway, right? Why should anyone give a damn about this comment?