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What is the McCain camp afraid of?

prrriiide

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Palin is off-limits to the press.

Now, we find out that McCain's campaign mouthpiece is trying a kitchen-sink approach to get the ethics investigation "troopergate" halted.

STORY

What is the campaign afraid will be discovered? If Palin is in the right, let the facts come out.

The reallyasinine part is that the motion to instigate the investigation came from Palin herself in an obvious political move to thwart the process.

I thought she was different from other politicians?
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We have a phrase for it here in east Tennessee: buying a pig in a poke.

[GOP sexist aneurism in 5...4...3...2...1]
 
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Palin is off-limits to the press.

Now, we find out that McCain's campaign mouthpiece is trying a kitchen-sink approach to get the ethics investigation "troopergate" halted.

STORY

What is the campaign afraid will be discovered? If Palin is in the right, let the facts come out.

The reallyasinine part is that the motion to instigate the investigation came from Palin herself in an obvious political move to thwart the process.

I thought she was different from other politicians?
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We have a phrase for it here in east Tennessee: buying a pig in a poke.

[GOP sexist aneurism in 5...4...3...2...1]

"There is an Arabic proverb that says "she accused me of having her malady, then snuck away."

--- Osama Bin Laden to John Miller of ABC News.
 
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"There is an Arabic proverb that says "she accused me of having her malady, then snuck away."

--- Osama Bin Laden to John Miller of ABC News.

You are, of course, referring to Obama, who has done countless public appearances, interviews, and press meetings over the last 19 months in addition to enduring the vetting-under-fire from the Clinton camp during the primary. If you don't know Obama it's because you haven't bothered to look.
 
You are, of course, referring to Obama, who has done countless public appearances, interviews, and press meetings over the last 19 months in addition to enduring the vetting-under-fire from the Clinton camp during the primary. If you don't know Obama it's because you haven't bothered to look.

You think you know Obama?

Great.

You will be able to fill us in on a few things.

YouTube - Barack Obama & Khalid Al-Mansour

America is poised to elect a man to the presidency whose known mentors and sponsors – al-Mansour, Rezko, Said, Wright, Ayers – put a lie to just about everything Obama has said on the campaign trail.

WorldNetDaily - A Free Press for a Free People

Let's start with this question.

Did Dr. Khalid al-Mansour really help Obama attend Harvard?
 
Don't know, don't care :yawn:

Well, you've never claimed to know everything about Obama. prrriiide has.

We know that some of Obama's fans are just smitten by him and his sweet talk and don't know or care about vetting or nuthin! they just want him! Those folks are like the women you pick up at a bar and take home. They want the quick satiation of their thirst and live for the sensational.

But prrriiide seems to imply that he has taken 19 months to explore Obama's past and his information and all. So, I was hoping he'd clear these things up for us.

After all, we are 2 months from maybe giving him the keys to our nuclear arsenal. It would be nice to know IF he has some people in his past who might be part of a deep cover program to get someone into the White House they can control.

And even writing this makes me feel uneasy. It is hard for me to even suggest such things. So, if Obama or a responsible person can clear this up then no one will have to worry about it any more. Then we could go on to the next dozen or two other troubling matters in Obama's past.

But, they'd better hurry up because the candidate is starting to create brand new scandals he will be dodging and hiding and spinning from.

Did Obama just confirm Taheri? Update: Team McCain responds
posted at 9:02 am on September 16, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Glenn Reynolds takes a close look at Barack Obama’s response to Amir Taheri and doesn’t see any daylight between them. Yesterday, Taheri accused Obama of attempting to derail a status-of-forces agreement between the US and Iraq by telling the Iraqis to wait until after the American elections and stop negotiating with the Bush administration. Obama responded by essentially confirming Taheri’s account:

In the New York Post, conservative Iranian-born columnist Amir Taheri quoted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari as saying the Democrat made the demand when he visited Baghdad in July, while publicly demanding an early withdrawal.

“He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,” Zebari said in an interview, according to Taheri.

“However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open,” Zebari reportedly said. …

Obama’s national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri’s article bore “as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial.”

In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.

Which is exactly what Taheri wrote. Barack Obama went to Iraq and interfered with the diplomatic efforts of the elected United States government, in a war zone no less, by telling the Iraqis to stop negotiating with the President. How exactly does that make Taheri’s column untruthful?

It wasn’t enough for Obama to fail at forcing the nation into a defeat in Iraq when he opposed the surge. Now he has interfered with our efforts to stabilize Iraq and provide for its security after the surge succeeded in keeping Iraq from falling into a failed state. And when he got caught working for failure and defeat, he tried making it into a smear against John McCain.

That’s not leadership America needs from a Senator, let alone a President. The Senate should investigate this as a gross violation of the Constitution and the separation of powers between the branches of government.

Update: Team McCain’s response so far, given by Randy Scheuneman:

“At this point, it is not yet clear what official American negotiations Senator Obama tried to undermine with Iraqi leaders, but the possibility of such actions is unprecedented. It should be concerning to all that he reportedly urged that the democratically-elected Iraqi government listen to him rather than the US administration in power. If news reports are accurate, this is an egregious act of political interference by a presidential candidate seeking political advantage overseas. Senator Obama needs to reveal what he said to Iraq’s Foreign Minister during their closed door meeting. The charge that he sought to delay the withdrawal of Americans from Iraq raises serious questions about Senator Obama’s judgment and it demands an explanation.” —Randy Scheunemann, Senior Adviser McCain-Palin 2008​

Hot Air Blog Archive Did Obama just confirm Taheri? Update: Team McCain responds

"In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said."

Obama's campaign just confirmed Taheri's charge!

:shock:
 
Bkhad - that one was debunked ages ago as just another McCain lie. At least look this stuff before posting.
 
Bkhad - that one was debunked ages ago as just another McCain lie. At least look this stuff before posting.

No it wasn't.

(See? I've learned from your example! Just say whatever you want and pretend you know what you are talking about. And maybe you will get the other guy to believe your B.S.)
 
In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.

So he doesn't trust Mr.Bush's judgment, nobody does...

Next :yawn:
 
So he doesn't trust Mr.Bush's judgment, nobody does...

Next :yawn:

A Law Professor should know better.

This episode may provide us insight into how he has perhaps conducted his other hush-hush dealings we have been trying to get to the bottom of.

I assume he is being investigated as we speak.

This is serious stuff.

He won't spin or 'nuance' this to make it go away.

But he DOES still have some powerful people with deeeep pockets who might be able to lean on some people or buy them off to help Obama survive this.
 
If you don't know Obama it's because you haven't bothered to look.

I would like to wish you the best of luck, you just barked up the wrong tree, and I personally, will enjoy watching bhkad school you on Obama.
 
I would like to wish you the best of luck, you just barked up the wrong tree, and I personally, will enjoy watching bhkad school you on Obama.
GottaHurt, I know prrriiide from elsewhere. He is new here and doesn't know who practically everybody has on 'ignore' here yet, but he will catch on fast.
 
GottaHurt, I know prrriiide from elsewhere. He is new here and doesn't know who practically everybody has on 'ignore' here yet, but he will catch on fast.

You know, as dumb as some of those people may be regarding most things, putting me on ignore might be the smartest thing they could do.

;)
 
A Law Professor should know better.

This episode may provide us insight into how he has perhaps conducted his other hush-hush dealings we have been trying to get to the bottom of.

I assume he is being investigated as we speak.

This is serious stuff.

He won't spin or 'nuance' this to make it go away.

But he DOES still have some powerful people with deeeep pockets who might be able to lean on some people or buy them off to help Obama survive this.

You know, if Mr.Obama wins and leads this country into a new golden age, it'd be hilarious.
 
You think you know Obama?

I know a hell of a lot more about him than I do Palin, because Palin is being kept away from the public vetting process.

You will be able to fill us in on a few things.

Let's start with this question.

Did Dr. Khalid al-Mansour really help Obama attend Harvard?

I don't need to fill you in on anything because you have already made up your mind as to what is true and what is not.

I don't know everything about Obama. I even know some things I don't like. But guess what? I don't like much of anything about McCain and Palin. It's certainly within the realm of possibility that a disqualifying revelation could be proved against Obama. But at this point in the game, not only is it getting less and less likely after all this time, but after the avalanche of flat out lies by the right that have been disproved, it is going to take irrefutable, smoking-gun evidence for me to believe it. You righties have cried wolf too often about Obama.

For me to believe anything about al-Mansouri and Obama, I'm going to need to see it from a reputable (non-right wing) media outlet.

how he has perhaps conducted his other hush-hush dealings

Like negotiating the release of American hostages by providing arms and aid to a foreign rebellion?

It would be nice to know IF he has some people in his past who might be part of a deep cover program to get someone into the White House they can control.

I see. It's possible for some tin-foil hat copnspiracy to exist involving Obama as a Manchurian candidate, but not McCain, who was actually made available to Chinese and Soviet interrogators during his time as a POW? Please. Get a grip, man.

Well, you've never claimed to know everything about Obama. prrriiide has.

I never claimed any such thing. That statement is a lie, so you know what that makes you. As such, you have nothing to offer the conversation in terms of credibility. Welcome to my ignore list.
 
I never claimed any such thing. That statement is a lie, so you know what that makes you. As such, you have nothing to offer the conversation in terms of credibility. Welcome to my ignore list.

You have no idea how much better your experience will be on DP as a result. ;)
 
You know, if Mr.Obama wins and leads this country into a new golden age, it'd be hilarious.

What too many of you guys can't quite understand is that if Mr. Obama manages to get past the screening process and makes it to the Oval Office some of his biggest supporters will be Conservative Republicans.

This is OUR country. He would be OUR President. If he messes up because we were messing with his head who will suffer?

US!

It is in our best interest that he do well and we can only hope things turn out better than any of you have thought.

And the last "new golden age" brought about social problems we STILL haven't recovered from, thanks to well intentioned progressives who thought that big Government was the key to solving all our problems.

It didn't work well then and it won't work well now.

You guys support these things without looking at historical proof that it just never works.

But he would still have my best wishes and fervent hope that he suceeds in doing well for us.

My greatest fear, however, aside from his policies, his lack of experience, his questionable judgment and ego, which scare the crap out of me, is the possibility he might revive one or more of those unexplored, unexplained relationships, now with Presidential privilege, to secretly execute some other, unknown agenda. And he'd be more insulated from the threat of disclosure than ever.

We just don't know what this smart, stealthy guy has done in the past because he won't come clean.

And it's like he's got these secret relationships and influences that may be in sleep mode until he is elected and then some day when no one is around he would get a call and take a meeting and that might be the only indication of his doing anything untoward.

And a single phone call is no proof of anything without documentation.

But again, all of this is speculation.

Yet, if he refuses to divulge everything about his past we HAVE to consider what the worse case scenario might be if he actually was pursuing a covert agenda.
 
And the last "new golden age" brought about social problems we STILL haven't recovered from, thanks to well intentioned progressives who thought that big Government was the key to solving all our problems.

Franklin D. Roosevelt was the best united states president in history, if you have a problem with him, you have a problem with me.
 
I know a hell of a lot more about him than I do Palin, because Palin is being kept away from the public vetting process.



I don't need to fill you in on anything because you have already made up your mind as to what is true and what is not.

I don't know everything about Obama. I even know some things I don't like. But guess what? I don't like much of anything about McCain and Palin. It's certainly within the realm of possibility that a disqualifying revelation could be proved against Obama. But at this point in the game, not only is it getting less and less likely after all this time, but after the avalanche of flat out lies by the right that have been disproved, it is going to take irrefutable, smoking-gun evidence for me to believe it. You righties have cried wolf too often about Obama.

For me to believe anything about al-Mansouri and Obama, I'm going to need to see it from a reputable (non-right wing) media outlet.



Like negotiating the release of American hostages by providing arms and aid to a foreign rebellion?



I see. It's possible for some tin-foil hat copnspiracy to exist involving Obama as a Manchurian candidate, but not McCain, who was actually made available to Chinese and Soviet interrogators during his time as a POW? Please. Get a grip, man.



I never claimed any such thing. That statement is a lie, so you know what that makes you. As such, you have nothing to offer the conversation in terms of credibility. Welcome to my ignore list.

That's the smartest or the dumbest thing you'll probably do in your time here! :2wave:

But, in case you take a peek at this post, I'll answer it.

What do you want to bet that Mr. Mystery Man Obama will still be a big Question ? Mark on Nov. 4th (after 19 months of campaigning) but we will know everything there is to know about Sarah Palin by then?

I didn't come to this position without giving Obama a mental try-out. I actually warmed up to him for about 30 days until I began seeing troubling indications about him and his candidacy. And as I began searching for answers I started noticing signs of a con man. And, as they say, it takes one to know one. And I once was one and the signs I see from his campaign are not the signs of someone deserving of our trust.

He is a very smart, very smooth, well-practiced, Alinsky trained and Harvard Law School educated manipulator. He has the ability to make people believe he shares their opinion, feels their pain and is on their side and supporting their cause when he really isn't. You can't understand the power that affords him. There is a saying that if you can fake sincerity you've really got something! Well he can do that. I recall a story about Obama hearing testimony in the Illinois state Senate and the witnesses believing he was sympathetic to their cause but then voting against the measure. And his election to the presidency of the Harvard Law Review, the conservative editors on the staff thought he was of their belief while the liberals thought he was of their belief. And those of you who may be quick to seize on that as a possible sign of his being able to build bridges with the other side, it should be noted that his own true beliefs aren't in either camp.

He is a Socialist/Marxist.

And most people don't even know he is a LIBERAL!

Yet a recent AP poll found that only 6% of Americans would describe Obama as "liberal," let alone socialist.

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And a real subtle but significant fact I will reveal about you and yourn vs me and mine is that where you are defending Obama, who you may see as being the victim of unprovoked attacks, I am more than happy to never criticize him again if he is able to eliminate my buyer's objections.

In sales an objection is really just the customer telling you what will sell them. If you can handle those objections then you have a chance at getting the sale.

Well, Obama handles all the objections to some degree. But the superficial nature he handles the objections I have are as convincing as if a guy came home and smelled cigar smoke and lots of air freshener spray in the house and his wife had the telltale scent of men's cologne on her dress and she explained it by saying her girl friend and her baby daddy came over to tell her they were getting married and he lit up a cheroot to celebrate.

When asked who the friend was, wifey replied, "oh, you don't know them."

And you just leave it at that.

Some people are very trusting. Others are willing to suspend disbelief because it makes them feel good to do so. Still others are just emotional buyers and use no rational thinking in deciding to support Obama. Others are voting for him because they want to be racially healed so badly that they will do anything to have their White Guilt washed clean by the Obamessiah. Some are going along with the crowd because EVERYBODY likes him! He's cool.

And if he were fully vetted there would be nothing different about people's reasons for voting for Obama than they'd be for most any candidate in most any election.

But the fact is there ARE troubling questions he hasn't answered which speak to his trustworthiness once he was officially ensconced. And by that time it will take a literal act of Congress to remove him and that is IF this stealthy and smart guy ever aroused suspicion.

My interest is that we have a president who loves America and has no ulterior motives, no back room deals, no secret allegiances, no unpaid debts that can only be discharged by some shady characters on the periphery of the mainstream media's attention, no hidden agendas.

But unless Obama answers these troubling questions with transparency and candor he will remain a suspect. For you, he's a prospect.

If he is able to overcome my buyer's hesitation he could win my admiration but not my vote. I know he is a Socialist/Marxist and I know he is a sneak. He pushed the Global Poverty Act through the process of going to the full Senate for a vote and because it progressed along on a series of voice votes no one had to go on record as having supported this bill which would cost taxpayers $845 Billion over and above what we already pay to the UN and over and above what we already pay out in foreign aid, this bill would tax us and give the money to the United Nations.

Yes, the same UN that was so adept at managing the Oil For Food program. Obama's bill would send hundreds of billions to the UN so they could disperse these funds to the impoverished peoples of the world. One article I read highlighted the ineffectiveness of one UN program by citing their operational costs at 90%. Out of every dollar only 10% went to the cause. 90% went to administrative costs.

Obama hasn't mentioned this at all in his campaigning, but the bill is still alive in the Senate. It has been stalled by a Sen. Coburn but only after the Senator was made aware of how insidious the bill was and how sneaky it had traveled to get that far.

And guess who was one of the 30 co-sponsors?

Joe Biden.

Sponsor:
Sen. Barack Obama [D-IL]

Cosponsors [as of 2008-08-31]

Sen. Joseph Biden [D-DE]
Sen. Jeff Bingaman [D-NM]
Sen. Barbara Boxer [D-CA]
Sen. Sherrod Brown [D-OH]
Sen. Maria Cantwell [D-WA]
Sen. Benjamin Cardin [D-MD]
Sen. Robert Casey [D-PA]
Sen. Hillary Clinton [D-NY]
Sen. Susan Collins [R-ME]
Sen. Christopher Dodd [D-CT]
Sen. Richard Durbin [D-IL]
Sen. Russell Feingold [D-WI]
Sen. Dianne Feinstein [D-CA]
Sen. Charles Hagel [R-NE]
Sen. Thomas Harkin [D-IA]
Sen. Tim Johnson [D-SD]
Sen. John Kerry [D-MA]
Sen. Amy Klobuchar [D-MN]
Sen. Herbert Kohl [D-WI]
Sen. Frank Lautenberg [D-NJ]
Sen. Richard Lugar [R-IN]
Sen. Robert Menéndez [D-NJ]
Sen. Barbara Mikulski [D-MD]
Sen. Patty Murray [D-WA]
Sen. Charles Schumer [D-NY]
Sen. Gordon Smith [R-OR]
Sen. Olympia Snowe [R-ME]
Sen. Debbie Ann Stabenow [D-MI]
Sen. Jim Webb [D-VA]
Sen. Ron Wyden [D-OR]

S. 2433: Global Poverty Act of 2007 (GovTrack.us)

You say that you need someone to prove to you that Obama might or might not be in cahoots with shady characters???

MY GOD, MAN!

Stand up for the integrity of your own Government and be concerned enough to engage the process that will either work for all of us or fail all of us.

You sound like a spoiled brat who has to be coaxed into eating his hamburger. You should want to find this out for yourself and not fold your arms and pout about someone having to meet YOUR standards of credibility!

:doh

I hope you never take me off ignore.
 
Franklin D. Roosevelt was the best united states president in history, if you have a problem with him, you have a problem with me.

I was born and raised in a family of Democrats. But over the years I came to recognize certain things that set me apart from my friends and family in terms of my political orientation. And I recognized I was a Conservative AFTER voting for Reagan (twice), GHWB, Perot, Dole, Gore and Bush.

I am still of the opinion that FDR was heaven sent. His New Deal and the alphabet programs were crucial to getting America back on it's feet in the 30's. It was Socialism but it was like a tonic in THAT situation. FDR held the baby USA in his arms and fed it the tonic. And we went from being listless and suffering and without any spark of life in our eyes to walking and holding our heads high and resuming life with hope. My grandparents spoke of FDR and loved him. Before the 1960's when it became commonplace to see pictures in family living rooms or JFK, MLK and RFK, the image of FDR was often lovingly displayed alongside family pictures in some homes.

But that tonic is no longer what the country needs. It's main appeal is that it looks merciful and for those with nothing, it promises improvement. But it is not good for the long term. It is not good for our current situation. It ALWAYS has an unpublicized ugly side-effect. And it never works as well as it's proponents hope.

The only things it does without question and without fail is to concentrate wealth and power in the hands of a select few elitists and it always acts as an equalizer; with everyone becoming equally miserable.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Hey, lets stick on topic instead of piling on Bhkad. Don't like his posts, debate the posts. Having a group party on rejoicing on the fun of ignoring him however, is not the topic. Stop it
 
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